Brandon Beane on WGR

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

I'd disagree on the 1st part with Keon.

 

We used him plenty outside, finished with an ADOT 15.2 yards (higher than Coop) and was used in plenty of back shoulder/50-50 type passes.  He's also good on those deep over routes of using his build up speed/out leveraging others.

 

Honestly this slot discussion- do we have stats on snaps from slot vs outside, and his production/route tree from each?  He's better outside IMO, which is where my eyes tell me he got most of his work and success LY (without looking at stats).

 

He is good at the deep over routes, yep, where he can run across the field. That just suits him much more. He didn't play much from the slot in 2024, although I think is telling that his slot snaps steadily ticked uo all year and the 3 games where he had double figures in snaps from the slot came in the last 4 weeks of the season. The Bills definitely had it in their minds as the season went along. 

 

But he did make multiple of his big plays from tight splits. Even he was still the "inside" it was getting him a bit tighter and throwing him slants and and in breaking routes to get him the ball in traffic over the middle. That is still where he is at his best. He is still the guy who runs the gauntlet really well. He will make some plays on the outside on vertical routes where he can box a defender out and come down with a contested ball but that is a hard way to live consistently in the NFL. And his contested catch percentage wasn't that high. But ever vertical ball will be contested because he is a non-separator. He is still a basketball player who plays to contact off the defender rather than a guy with the nuance, burst and short area quickness to separate either early in routes or through his break at the top of them. 

[The Wiz]

I love how a guy that built a roster for one of the most successful teams in recent history has to defend himself against people who don't even know what a round number is.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by The Wiz

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Even Steven A piled on these WGR guys. This is beautiful. It’s been a long time coming for Jeremy.  Just all the smug arrogance absolutely backed right down by a real one. These 2 are STILL trying to act like they are right. In the days following still trying to justify. Take the L man

[mjt328]

5 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Beane was wrong though we were 2nd in scoring not 1st . The Lions were first.

 

He actually said "including the playoffs."

When you average in those games, we were #1.

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Even Steven A piled on these WGR guys. This is beautiful. It’s been a long time coming for Jeremy.  Just all the smug arrogance absolutely backed right down by a real one. These 2 are STILL trying to act like they are right. In the days following still trying to justify. Take the L man

Was that today? I haven't seen that video yet.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Was that today? I haven't seen that video yet.

I guess. They just played the clip on WGR 😂I couldn’t believe it.  These guys were probably so proud of themselves for being mentioned by him but all he did was take beanes side lol it was beautiful 

[Not at the table Karlos]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Even Steven A piled on these WGR guys. This is beautiful. It’s been a long time coming for Jeremy.  Just all the smug arrogance absolutely backed right down by a real one. These 2 are STILL trying to act like they are right. In the days following still trying to justify. Take the L man

They’re not wrong and Beane pretty much admitted it in the same interview. If Stephen A is siding with you, you may need to take another look at your take. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Not at the table Karlos

[noacls17]

Only publicity horrible morning show gets so they can't let it die. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

They’re not wrong and Beane pretty much admitted it in the same interview. If Stephen A is siding with you, you may need to take another look at your take. 

They are completely wrong and are they are getting what they deserve from the embarrassment. I don’t usually agree with Steven A but on this one he’s right. 

10 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Was that today? I haven't seen that video yet.

It’s on part 8 of the morning show

[mjt328]

13 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

In the history of professional football has there ever been so much angst about what was picked or not picked in the lower rounds of the draft?

 

With all the draft information now available online, fans are becoming more and more aware of lower round guys.  The more knowledgeable they become (I use that term loosely), the more they form opinions, and the more they get upset when GMs don't see it their way.  The Bills aren't the only fanbase whining about getting the wrong guy in the 5th Round.

 

Even Beane has said he "would have liked" to draft a receiver.  The problem was that need and value never lined up.

 

Before the draft, most would have had our top needs as CB and DT.  And by a large margin.  DE/Edge came in at a distant third.

That would leave WR as our 4th biggest need at best... depending on how comfortable you are with the Safety room.  
Most people also felt this was a weak draft class at WR, and a very deep one on the D-Line.  Beane also believed that.

 

Not trying to be an apologist for Beane, but the most you can ask for a GM is to move around the board and address your biggest needs on Days 1-2.  Most guys drafted after that are going to be backups anyway.  The best way to hit on picks on Day 3 is by identifying sleepers who are undervalued.  Not by hyper-focusing on a single position of need.  The Bills scouts believed that Deone Walker would have been a 1st Round prospect if not for a back injury affecting his 2024 game film.  Why would you pass that up, to take a flyer for a WR you really don't believe in?

 

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

18 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

They are completely wrong and are they are getting what they deserve from the embarrassment. I don’t usually agree with Steven A but on this one he’s right. 

 

They just said it was odd that they spent that many resources pre draft looking at receivers then didn’t make a move for one. Beane also said in the same interview they waited on doing anything with Moore until after the draft incase they took one in first two rounds. So Beane admitted they were looking at receivers then goes off on the hosts for saying exactly what Beane did. 
 

Beane heard a small bit of what they were saying and overreacted. Pretty much everyone was surprised they didn’t take a receiver earlier with how much time they spent on them. Beane then acted like they’re set at receiver. Later contradicting himself saying they’re bringing Moore in for a visit and they held it off incase they drafted a receiver early. So why is it so crazy to think they’d draft a receiver with all of their actions? 

Edited 10 hours ago by Not at the table Karlos

[finn]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is good at the deep over routes, yep, where he can run across the field. That just suits him much more. He didn't play much from the slot in 2024, although I think is telling that his slot snaps steadily ticked uo all year and the 3 games where he had double figures in snaps from the slot came in the last 4 weeks of the season. The Bills definitely had it in their minds as the season went along. 

 

But he did make multiple of his big plays from tight splits. Even he was still the "inside" it was getting him a bit tighter and throwing him slants and and in breaking routes to get him the ball in traffic over the middle. That is still where he is at his best. He is still the guy who runs the gauntlet really well. He will make some plays on the outside on vertical routes where he can box a defender out and come down with a contested ball but that is a hard way to live consistently in the NFL. And his contested catch percentage wasn't that high. But ever vertical ball will be contested because he is a non-separator. He is still a basketball player who plays to contact off the defender rather than a guy with the nuance, burst and short area quickness to separate either early in routes or through his break at the top of them. 

Given your assessment and assuming positive growth from him this year, do you think he could be an elite player? His inability to get separation, combined with his meh contested-catch rate, are pretty disappointing for such a high pick, but what about his prospects? Does he have a high ceiling, or is he going to be ordinary? 

[Pete]

23 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I love how a guy that built a roster for one of the most successful teams in recent history has to defend himself against people who don't even know that a round number is.

 

 

Sneaky Joe’s views on Bills don’t seem bright.  Thinking 75 is a round number confirms.

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

The puke emoji isn’t strong enough. Cannot stand people that didn’t listen then try to make up their own narrative so they can feel offended too. 
 

They just said it was odd that they spent that many resources pre draft looking at receivers then didn’t make a move for one. Beane also said in the same interview they waited on doing anything with Moore until after the draft incase they took one in first two rounds. So Beane admitted they were looking at receivers then goes off on the hosts for saying exactly what Beane did. 

So the fact that Beane did his due diligence in meeting with WRs prior to the draft means he HAD to pick one?

 

By that logic, Katy Perry actually is an astronaut.

Edited 10 hours ago by The Wiz

[Pete]

13 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Can't show a crystal ball...so we'll have to agree to disagree on Keon/Palmer abilities.

 

Cooper was washed LY.  Speaking of contested catches, that was basically what was happening. Josh wasn't leading a wide open guy downfield.  So yes, Cooper brought contested catch abilityand some remarkable catches but when I say washed- his speed was non existent.  Am I the only one seeing that?  Their were numerous NFL coaches saying the same thing LY.

 

So I don't get this issue with Keon.  Cooper wasn't a vertical speed guy LY either.

Beane has stated that the Bills score more than 7 points a game with Cooper in lineup.  Sacks, TDs, Interceptions- there are many players responsible for whichever big play a teammate makes

[Maine-iac]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If you are a DC gameplanning for the Bills your plan is take Cook away, stop Allen scrambling out to his right and clog the passing lanes in the middle of the field where they want to get Kincaid and Shakir. That is still the way I'd play us because I don't think we have a great counter.

Which is why we then send Cook or Johnson down the sideline for a big pass because teams are trying to clog up the middle and it was very successful.  We got roughly 70 catches, 700 yards, and 6 or 7 TD's receiving from our backs.  If we could get Keon to even a Gabe Davis level with his route running it will punish teams who try to switch to single high or cover zero along with our myriad of RB pass catching options.  The thing we don't have a counter for is Shakir getting hurt. I'd like to see a Shakir understudy that looks like he could effectively sub in and play slot.

[Not at the table Karlos]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

So the fact that Beane did his due diligence in meeting with WRs prior to the draft means he HAD to pick one?

 

 

No. Nobody said they had to pick one. Beane overreacted to listening to only a small part of the show before going on. Nobody said they absolutely had to draft a receiver at ____ spot. Just that they were surprised one wasn’t drafted until the 7th after doing all the pre draft stuff and saying they needed more speed. wtf 

Edited 10 hours ago by Not at the table Karlos

[NastyNateSoldiers]

28 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

He actually said "including the playoffs."

When you average in those games, we were #1.

With 3 mins left against KC that 30 a game didn't help. You need difference makers in the playoffs...

[zevo]

29 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Even Steven A piled on these WGR guys. This is beautiful. It’s been a long time coming for Jeremy.  Just all the smug arrogance absolutely backed right down by a real one. These 2 are STILL trying to act like they are right. In the days following still trying to justify. Take the L man

Day 3 of this nonsense on wgr. The sting is still strong for these guys. They are continuing to embarrass themselves and dig that hole deeper. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

The puke emoji isn’t strong enough. Cannot stand people that didn’t listen then try to make up their own narrative so they can feel offended too. 
 

They just said it was odd that they spent that many resources pre draft looking at receivers then didn’t make a move for one. Beane also said in the same interview they waited on doing anything with Moore until after the draft incase they took one in first two rounds. So Beane admitted they were looking at receivers then goes off on the hosts for saying exactly what Beane did. 

I do listen. And eventhough it make me sound like a hypocrite…I listen basically every day. I’m not making up anything. These guys are obsessed with the same thoughts over and over and beat them into the ground every day on the air for years. It’s not funny, they know next to nothing, they constantly look foolish and are factually incorrect on most of the things they say. They spend a year and a half talking about a tank for the sabers. Punting on a season in week 1 for a player that left. Now that team hasn’t won anything since that campaign. This guy is just clueless constantly.

 

It used to be Schopp. I used to think he was the problem but it has been Jeremy for years now. He knows nothing about football. He constantly speaks on things that make no sense. He’s been obsessed with WR for years. He acts like the defense is meaningless.  You’d think after this last year he’d learn but just continues to double down. This team scores more than anyone. The offense is not even close to a problem. Anyone that watches this team and is even slightly objective can see our issue is coaching and the Defense. Specifically the coaching of the defense. We don’t need a WR. It’s not even a grey area. We have 4 WRs that will play a ton. We have 2 pass catching TEs that need targets. We throw a ton to all 3 RBs. We use 6 linemen constantly. We run a lot and our QB runs a lot. If we needed a WR, we’d have one. It’s not even close to a concern. A WR is not coming in here and playing. The team needs to fix the issues that have kept them from making a Super Bowl. Our GM understands that and tried to fix the personnel side of it.