Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:06 PM, GolfandBills said: Yep. Lamar will be MVP. Hard to argue against it though Expand No it's not..... Last year Lamar won MVP with less than 30 total TDs because the Ravens had more wins Josh has 41 TDs this year and a low turnover total on a 13 win team + Allen played 2-3 games worth less than Lamar What a joke. Go show em they're wrong Josh. 1 1 2 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 10 Posted January 10 The Bills locking up the division so early and having seeding 90% locked in since then really hurt Allen. We’ve had like 5 games worth of snaps where the Bills are in run the clock out mode, or barely anything to play for. Imagine if we really needed these last 3 games. You could add 6-8 TDs to Allen’s totals and probably 400-500 yards. On the other side, you have Lamar throwing 10 passes in a drive up 3 scores vs the hapless Giants to pad his stats. Quote
ProcessImproverMan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) Ravens have no Zay Flowers this week. I hope Watt feasts on Lamar and gives him the poops again out of fear and playoff Lamar chokes once again. Dude already has a ***** up stomach. Flare that ***** up Edited January 10 by ProcessImproverMan Quote
DeXv Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Josh Allen is still -450 in the betting markets to win MVP. 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:23 PM, DeXv said: Josh Allen is still -450 in the betting markets to win MVP. Expand How can the MVP be 2nd Team All Pro (According to the AP of course) Quote
Man with No Name Posted January 10 Posted January 10 MVP and all pro don't have to be the same, just as O player of the year doesn't have to be MVP. In fact, I would think o player of the year is more similar to ALL PRO criteria than MVP. I think allen getting so many votes is actually a good sign. Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 It doesn't make sense that first team AllPro wouldn't also be MVP over second team 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:26 PM, Man with No Name said: MVP and all pro don't have to be the same, just as O player of the year doesn't have to be MVP. In fact, I would think o player of the year is more similar to ALL PRO criteria than MVP. I think allen getting so many votes is actually a good sign. Expand A QB that wasn’t first team All Pro has only won MVP twice: Steve McNair (co-MVP so weird circumstance), and Elway (Rice and Montana split the vote, so another weird circumstance). This would be kind of unprecedented, but the new ranked choice MVP voting system might make it more common moving forward. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I'll say it again....having 50 AP people vote the MVP is silly. Let every coaching staff member in the NFL have a vote Quote
Process Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:30 PM, DapperCam said: A QB that wasn’t first team All Pro has only won MVP twice: Steve McNair (co-MVP so weird circumstance), and Elway (Rice and Montana split the vote, so another weird circumstance). This would be kind of unprecedented, but the new ranked choice MVP voting system might make it more common moving forward. Expand Winning MVP with 29 TDs is also unprecedented. I guess we'll find out if voters are willing to bend the rules for Josh, like they are with Lamar. 1 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:32 PM, Process said: Winning MVP with 29 TDs is also unprecedented. I guess we'll find out if voters are willing to bend the rules for Josh, like they are with Lamar. Expand That was a joke. They won't. 1 Quote
DCOrange Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:17 PM, Warriorspikes51 said: No it's not..... Last year Lamar won MVP with less than 30 total TDs because the Ravens had more wins Josh has 41 TDs this year and a low turnover total on a 13 win team + Allen played 2-3 games worth less than Lamar What a joke. Go show em they're wrong Josh. Expand Lamar played 97% of their offensive snaps vs. Josh playing 89%. It's really closer to 1 game. At any rate, both extremely worthy candidates this year. Voters made a good choice even if we think Josh may have been a slightly better choice. On 1/10/2025 at 5:23 PM, DeXv said: Josh Allen is still -450 in the betting markets to win MVP. Expand If you can get those odds anywhere, you probably want to bet on Lamar. I haven't seen anywhere that is still allowing bets on MVP but I'm not degenerate enough to seek it out aside from the one app I use and the other site I used to use. Quote
Process Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:23 PM, DeXv said: Josh Allen is still -450 in the betting markets to win MVP. Expand As far as I can tell odds have been taken down everywhere. I expect them to look much different when sportsbooks put them back up. Quote
mjt328 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:06 PM, DapperCam said: Wow, Lamar might actually have more MVPs than playoff wins. I kind of think the media hates Buffalo. Expand Statistics over the last five years: Total Yards: Allen (27,871), Jackson (24,336) Total TDs: Allen (242), Jackson (188) Team Wins: Allen (71), Jackson (68) Yet somehow Jackson will likely have 3 MVP awards during that period of time, while Allen has zero. There is clearly bias... either for one player, or against one player, or both. No other explanation. 1 3 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) On 1/10/2025 at 5:39 PM, mjt328 said: Statistics over the last five years: Total Yards: Allen (27,871), Jackson (24,336) Total TDs: Allen (242), Jackson (188) Team Wins: Allen (71), Jackson (68) Yet somehow Jackson will likely have 3 MVP awards during that period of time, while Allen has zero. There is clearly bias... either for one player, or against one player, or both. No other explanation. Expand Those numbers create an even more significant canyon when you include the playoffs Look guys I honestly don't know what to say anymore Clearly the media/ AP / players don't like the guy or at least it's a combination of disdain and ignorance towards the numbers etc. I don't think he's winning MVP if thats where the voters are.... We'll see what happens in the playoffs for redemption Edited January 10 by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:39 PM, mjt328 said: Statistics over the last five years: Total Yards: Allen (27,871), Jackson (24,336) Total TDs: Allen (242), Jackson (188) Team Wins: Allen (71), Jackson (68) Yet somehow Jackson will likely have 3 MVP awards during that period of time, while Allen has zero. There is clearly bias... either for one player, or against one player, or both. No other explanation. Expand It can't be said out loud 1 1 Quote
Billsfanatic8989 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Yeah I'm starting to think Allen is not going to win MVP. I wasn't thinking that way until this all pro list became available. 3 Quote
BringBackFlutie Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I'd rather Allen felt slighted again than to have Lamar with a chip on his shoulder and all his team's talent playing their hearts out for him against us. 1 1 Quote
DeXv Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:39 PM, Process said: As far as I can tell odds have been taken down everywhere. I expect them to look much different when sportsbooks put them back up. Expand Looks like from first post until now they pulled the odds. Expect a shift towards Lamar. Quote
Andrew Son Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 5:48 PM, BringBackFlutie said: I'd rather Allen felt slighted again than to have Lamar with a chip on his shoulder and all his team's talent playing their hearts out for him against us. Expand Will it be known by next week? Quote
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