2003Contenders Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, section122 said: This isn't realistic. Going back 5 spots nets you an early 4th rounder. The first realistic chance to get a 3rd rounder is dropping to 36 and getting the literal last pick in the 3rd (100). You could also do 40 and 78 for 28 and 133 but that is a large drop back. With all the picks the Bills have on Day 3, maybe they can package one or more of them in the hypothetical trade to make it more reasonable/enticing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I voted trade back because Mitchell was gone. Don’t believe any of the others is worth it there. But do we have a specific trade back option? Who is offering us their picks and what are the offers? Because I wouldn’t want to trade back to the 50s for an extra 3rd rounder. It’s need to know info 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 41 minutes ago, nosejob said: 2025 Picks be damned. We need pieces in place this year and it just so happens to be a good year to do it. For example: If somehow Murphy or Latu make it to 24, IDK if I can pass that, so that means throwing a 2025 1st, 26-32 pick and a 2nd in that area to get right back in the game. I'd turn that 1st into a 2nd and 3rd and that 2nd for a 3rd. I'm not worried. We can get a WR at 28 then whatever at 60 and sit on our thumbs for 68 more picks. Does anyone really think that's what will happen? Beane's gonna have an amazing draft! Looking at the roster, this team, in my opinion, needs a lot more than 2 WR and they are not going to address those gaps in one offseason. Nobody wants to admit that this team probably will not be as good as it has been the last few years. I think that the front office saw that as an opportunity to do a mini-rebuild, especially on defense. They have seemingly improved their cap situation going forward in the process. i know that I am in the minority of fans, but I am fine with that approach. But, if we recognize that is what is going on and that they need at least 1 starting WR and another young one, a pass rusher to replace Von Miller, another starter at CB for after 30 y.o. Douglas is done and hopefully 2 better safeties than they have now, then it lessens the urgency to get both WR this year. Keep next year’s picks and use them when they have full value unless there is an opportunity to get a definite star in a trade up. 35 years of following the draft tells me that none of these prospects are absolutely sure things, so I don’t think giving up future picks at less than face value is wise in most circumstances. To your last point, I think they will try to use their excess 4th, 5th and 6th picks to make small moves up. Edited April 12 by OldTimer1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Have I missed something? Why was Mitchell removed? Did something happen that takes him off the board as an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Have I missed something? Why was Mitchell removed? Did something happen that takes him off the board as an option? the rules are we can't draft the same player twice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 7 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Looking at the roster, this team, in my opinion, needs a lot more than 2 WR and they are not going to address those gaps in one offseason. Nobody wants to admit that this team probably will not be as good as it has been the last few years. I think that the front office saw that as an opportunity to do a mini-rebuild, especially on defense. They have seemingly improved their cap situation going forward in the process. i know that I am in the minority of fans, but I am fine with that approach. But, if we recognize that is what is going on and that they need at least 1 starting WR and another young one, a pass rusher to replace Von Miller, another starter at CB for after 30 y.o. Douglas is done and hopefully 2 better safeties than they have now, then it lessens the urgency to get both WR this year. Keep next year’s picks and use them when they have full value unless there is an opportunity to get a definite star in a trade up. 35 years of following the draft tells me that none of these prospects are absolutely sure things, so I don’t think giving up future picks at less than face value is wise in most circumstances. To your last point, I think they will try to use their excess 4th, 5th and 6th picks to make small moves up. I agree that we may not be as good as last offseason, but I also think most teams took a step back and the playing field will be level. What's tough for me is there's not a lot of good value between picks 20-60. So you are either going to reach, or lose to teams who reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, boyst said: the rules are we can't draft the same player twice. Ah...gotcha, thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Have I missed something? Why was Mitchell removed? Did something happen that takes him off the board as an option? Every year, I stick to the rule that we can't draft the same person twice. As of right now, we know that Mitchell is who we would take. Now we are seeing what plan B would become. I've also decided we are going to end up in an Elam/Benford situation. We will draft a WR high, but our 6th round receiver will end up being the man Edited April 12 by Virgil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Virgil said: I agree that we may not be as good as last offseason, but I also think most teams took a step back and the playing field will be level. What's tough for me is there's not a lot of good value between picks 20-60. So you are either going to reach, or lose to teams who reached. Agree - for me, I would take the best BPA at WR, DE, DT, CB in round 1 (or after trade down), then repeat the rest of the way while expanding the positions to choose from as it gets later in the draft. Smaller trade ups using later picks to nail guys they like, if there are any that late. I could possibly see them being in the race for division or wild card this year, but I don’t think they are really challenging for the Super Bowl this season. So, no need to stress about filling one specific need. Edited April 12 by OldTimer1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Legette is going to go later than people think, I would not take him here. He could reach us at 60, his average WR draft ranking is 12th for a reason. At the very least, if he is our guy, trade back and get him and pick up a 3rd along the way. 28 would be a reach banking on high ceiling and gambling on the low floor he has. I love his potential, and I am all for getting him in the 2nd, but 28 is early. With Mitchell no longer an option, I voted trade back, in which I would be fine taking Legette on the trade back pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I voted trade back - I’d see what the Eagles and Commanders want to do. I would not want to trade back later than 40. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, Big Blitz said: I voted trade back - I’d see what the Eagles and Commanders want to do. I would not want to trade back later than 40. I think this is where I’m at. Not later than 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 Poll has been pared down to a group of 5. Have there been any serious trade up offers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Legette is going to go later than people think, I would not take him here. He could reach us at 60, his average WR draft ranking is 12th for a reason. At the very least, if he is our guy, trade back and get him and pick up a 3rd along the way. 28 would be a reach banking on high ceiling and gambling on the low floor he has. I love his potential, and I am all for getting him in the 2nd, but 28 is early. With Mitchell no longer an option, I voted trade back, in which I would be fine taking Legette on the trade back pick. I think he’s going to go somewhere between 40-50 myself. I took him in the last mock because I wanted a high upside guy to go with Harrison or I would have gone McConkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, section122 said: Poll has been pared down to a group of 5. Have there been any serious trade up offers? We have one trade back offer with the Packers: Green Bay would do 41 (490) and 58 (320) and 88 (150) for 28 (660) 60 (320) 4 minutes ago, section122 said: Poll has been pared down to a group of 5. Have there been any serious trade up offers? You good with closing the poll at 3p est? I think we have enough information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just ran a PFF sim. The Bills took Mitchell at 28 WRs available at pick 40 Ladd Wilson Pearsall Burton Keon Polk McMillan Walker Baker Thrash Corley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 12 minutes ago, Virgil said: We have one trade back offer with the Packers: Green Bay would do 41 (490) and 58 (320) and 88 (150) for 28 (660) 60 (320) You good with closing the poll at 3p est? I think we have enough information Prolly doing this 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) I’m confused. Did Mitchell get taken before our pick? Edited April 12 by NeverOutNick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: I’m confused. Did Mitchell get taken before our pick? He was selected in Mock 1.0, so he's not an option to select him again. We know he would be our choice, so this is Plan B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 34 minutes ago, Virgil said: Every year, I stick to the rule that we can't draft the same person twice. As of right now, we know that Mitchell is who we would take. Now we are seeing what plan B would become. I've also decided we are going to end up in an Elam/Benford situation. We will draft a WR high, but our 6th round receiver will end up being the man Ok I get it now personally in this epic WR class I’m going to that well 3 times. I’d go day 1, day 2 and day 3 because it’s such a deep and awesome class and it’s the position we need most. And lastly it’s the position outside of OT or pass rusher that costs the most to find really good Free agents so might as well just get cheap beasts in the draft 1 minute ago, Virgil said: He was selected in Mock 1.0, so he's not an option to select him again. We know he would be our choice, so this is Plan B I would’ve taken Franklin but since he has no chance I’ll go trade back and double dip at WR with 2 of our 3 second rounders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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