Poll: How do we feel about Stefon Diggs the player?

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, <bills4life> said:

Those 10 people who voted for “bills best receiver ever” must have been born after the 90’s.

He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.

Edited April 9 by BullBuchanan

[<bills4life>]

19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.

The guy played four seasons here and people want to anoint him the bills best receiver ever?  That’s crazy talk.  Over someone who is in the hall of fame? Ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he is a great player. But to say he was better than Andre Reed is ludicrous.  

Edited April 9 by <bills4life>
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[BullBuchanan]

15 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

The guy played four seasons here and people want to anoint him the bills best receiver ever?  That’s crazy talk.  Over someone who is in the hall of fame? Ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he is a great player. But to say he was better than Andre Reed is ludicrous.  

The most lukewarm take ever - Andre Reed being in the Hall of Fame is more ridiculous.

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

The most lukewarm take ever - Andre Reed being in the Hall of Fame is more ridiculous.

Talk about a lukewarm take. 😂 

[Mark Vader]

I think that Diggs is without question one of the best receivers we've ever had.

 

He had an ego and wanted to win! He was always trying to motivate players to do their best. Remember when Damar Hamlin went down, and they were contemplating continuing the game? Diggs was trying to get the team back up for playing again.

 

I never once saw him quit on the team. Unlike Stephon Gilmore.

 

I understand that he is on the decline, it happens. Although I still think we could've gotten one more year out of him, but they chose to move on.

 

It's funny how so many people on this board was always yelling about how the Bills "Need to bring in a player with attitude, because we're not going to win with choir boys." Then the Bills get a player with attitude and everyone on the board want him drawn and quartered.

 

TBD has a lot of funny people on here. Not funny "ha-ha."

Edited April 9 by Mark Vader

[BarleyNY]

Diggs can still play. Home games in a dome and playing in the AFCS will be helpful for him. The relationship was over here and him being on the team was going to be a real problem moving forward. Moving on while we could still get something for him wasn’t the worst thing. 

Edited April 9 by BarleyNY

[Dr. Who]

I think he'll rebound and have a decent year, but he is declining. Solid WR2 is probably his ceiling, but who knows? He no longer plays for my team, so thankfully, I no longer have to give a damn about his antics.

Edited April 9 by Dr. Who

[LarryMadman]

Talented yes, however his stupid antics very quickly trumped his declining  production. The headache just isn't worth it anymore.

57 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Diggs can still play. Home games in a dome and playing in the AFCS will be helpful for him. The relationship over and him being on the team was going to be a real problem moving forward. Moving on while we could still get something for him wasn’t the worst thing. 

I think the league will catch up to Stroud a bit this year and Stroud isn't nearly as good as Josh Allen. That said I think Diggs numbers will decline more due to age and Stroud not being his #1 option and he will go off. He is and has been a ticking time bomb in two places now, why would that change, IMO it will happen sooner this time.

[BarleyNY]

11 hours ago, LarryMadman said:

 

I think the league will catch up to Stroud a bit this year and Stroud isn't nearly as good as Josh Allen. That said I think Diggs numbers will decline more due to age and Stroud not being his #1 option and he will go off. He is and has been a ticking time bomb in two places now, why would that change, IMO it will happen sooner this time.

 

Sophomore slumps definitely happen to a lot of QBs. But I think Stroud is the real deal and there will be substantially more talent surrounding him this season than last. He certainly has the talent to be up there with Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen. 

 

As for Diggs, he is who he is. The same guy that came to Buffalo left Buffalo. Unless Houston’s season falls apart, he will keep himself in check this season. After all he’s only on a one year deal. 

Edited April 9 by BarleyNY

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.

 

I disagree.  Reed and Moulds played in an entirely different era so you cannot really compare stats. DBs had much more latitude to defend passes back then.  I would guess that at least half of the PI penalties today would be considered good defensive plays 30 years ago.  Both also played before "WR" and "diva" became virtually synonymous.

 

Reed's career spanned the Bills' Glory Years.  He had 4 1000+ yard seasons plus 3 more 900+ and 2 800+ yard seasons when 1000 yard seasons were much rarer than they are today.  He also shared WR duties with James Lofton in the prime of his career and with Eric Moulds at the end of it.  He also was instrumental in helping the Bills get to four consecutive Super Bowls.

 

Moulds played on the declining teams of the late 1990s and the early Drought teams of the early 2000s.  He played with Kelly only for a single season as a rookie.  Then he suffered through seasons with Todd Collins, Doug Flutie, Rob Johnson, Alex Van Pelt, Drew Bledsoe, and Kelly Holcomb.  He had four 1,000 yard seasons: in 1998 (1368, Flutie), 2000 (1326, Johnson), 2002 (1292, Bledsoe), and 2004 (1043, Bledsoe).

 

[Captain Hindsight]

Short term it will hurt. Diggs is a really

talented player and a good WR in the NFL. We’ve all seen talented dudes that don’t live up to the hype and Diggs certainly lived up to the hype. 
 

That said, he going to be released next season. For them to get a 2nd for a guy who was on the way out anyway is an incredible deal. I don’t have any I’ll will towards the dude, but moving on was 100% the right call 

[TheFunPolice]

Elite WR but injuries and age are catching up. 

 

If he was truly unhappy here then it's a win-win. I like Tomlin's saying: we want volunteers, not prisoners. 

[<bills4life>]

14 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He was far better than any Bills receiver from the 90s onward. he accomplished things Reed and Moulds never did.

imagine Diggs going over the middle? Yeah me neither.  Diggs in many cases catches ball and falls down to avoid getting hit.  This is fine I get it.  This is how he plays.  But Andre was fearless in an era where they were still allowed to take your head off.  Don’t get it twisted.  He was a true alpha receiver.  It was Jerry rice and him. 1a. 1b.  Diggs isn’t even in the top 10 today. And has certainly never been 1 a or b at any time. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

imagine Diggs going over the middle? Yeah me neither.  Diggs in many cases catches ball and falls down to avoid getting hit.  This is fine I get it.  This is how he plays.  But Andre was fearless in an era where they were still allowed to take your head off.  Don’t get it twisted.  He was a true alpha receiver.  It was Jerry rice and him. 1a. 1b.  Diggs isn’t even in the top 10 today. And has certainly never been 1 a or b at any time. 

 

If you dont think Diggs has ever gone over the middle of the field then you havent been watching Bills football the past 4 years.

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If you dont think Diggs has ever gone over the middle of the field then you havent been watching Bills football the past 4 years.

Any where near Andre reed? Who did it for a living?  If your not able to understand that then you have not been watching football period for a very long time. 

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

Any where near Andre reed? Who did it for a living?  If your not able to understand that then you have not been watching football period for a very long time. 

 

That's not what you said tho. "Imagine Diggs going over the middle" means he doesnt/wouldnt do it.

 

Definitely not as much or as well as Reed. But Diggs was a warrior out there. Regardless of how poorly Bills fans want to speak of him now that he is gone.

[<bills4life>]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's not what you said tho. "Imagine Diggs going over the middle" means he doesnt/wouldnt do it.

 

Definitely not as much or as well as Reed. But Diggs was a warrior out there. Regardless of how poorly Bills fans want to speak of him now that he is gone.

Fair enough.  I should have reworded to “rarely goes over the middle and makes business decisions after catch as to avoid injury”.  I am also not speaking poorly of him. Awesome wr and loved his passion. But some people need a reality check when we start throwing out terms such as best bills receiver ever.  It’s like saying Mario Williams was better than Bruce smith. 

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

Fair enough.  I should have reworded to “rarely goes over the middle and makes business decisions after catch as to avoid injury”.  I am also not speaking poorly of him. Awesome wr and loved his passion. But some people need a reality check when we start throwing out terms such as best bills receiver ever.  It’s like saying Mario Williams was better than Bruce smith. 

You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill.

Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.

[SoTier]

21 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill.

Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.

 

I don't think it was meant as a criticism of Diggs, so much as an example of another difference in the way the game was played 30 years ago and how it's played today.

[<bills4life>]

45 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You understand that he and the team knew that he had far more value being healthy and available than proving he was a touch guy by taking unnecessary hits right? He's remained remarkable healthy during his time here considering we've shoveled him 644 targets in 4 years while Andre reed had only 941 IN 15 YEARS as a Bill.

Nobody wants their #1 $20M dollar WR taking punishing hits. That's what Tight Ends and inexpensive slot receivers are for. There are a lot of terrible arguments that Andre Reed was better than modern day receivers, and this is probably the worst one. His ability and willingness to catch passes over the middle doesn't nearly make up for his lack of production. Reed's best quality as a player was longevity. 16 years for a receiver in his era was insane and it's the only reason he had the aggregate stats necessary to eventually get a nod to the HoF. If he's not part of the "4 straight super bowl appearances" story, there's no way he ever gets in, because there were better players during his era and after that still aren't.

-Oh 100 percent.  I have zero issue with Diggs and his style of play. I understand it.

-That is where we disagree.  Back then a running attack was more predominant than passing for most teams. Exception being Houston. This is a passing league now.  With rules where u can’t touch wrs.  A game made for offense and scoring. Much less clutching, grabbing, head hunting etc.. Reeds numbers would absolutely be much better. 
-outside of rice not too many. Carter/irvin maybe

-and playoff football? Reed over Diggs all day.