SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, beebe said: Mahomes' receivers in the last four Super Bowls: Mecole Hardman, Tyreek Hill, Justin Watson, MVS, Richie James, Justyn Ross, Rashee Rice, Kadarius Toney, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Skyy Moore, Marcus Kemp, Gehrig Dieter, Byron Pringle, Demarcus Robinson, Sammy Watkins. Post-Tyreek, it's been especially terrible. My point isn’t about the product on the field. It’s about the fact that the FO very clearly has tried to set Mahomes up with help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, beebe said: Will be his first year in a true pass-first system. Brown or Samuel would do well with KC. Just shocking how little KC paid for Brown. Edited March 15 by 90sBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Samuel is bigger, father and catches a higher % of balls Yeah Brown had a Davis-esque catch percentage of 50.5% last year. That's why he is signing a one year prove it deal. It's a good signing for them though. He will give them at bare minimum a better version of MVS's role last year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: My point isn’t about the product on the field. It’s about the fact that the FO very clearly has tried to set Mahomes up with help. Fair enough, but similar to this one, it's always been with low-risk moves. Tyreek was a 5th rounder (and was drafted for Alex Smith). Veach hasn't spent a top-50 pick on a receiver in the Mahomes era and has generally gone after after-thoughts (ie the always-injured Watkins, JuJu on an incentive-based deal, bad-attitude Toney in a trade, MVS the budget-friendly deep threat, reacquiring Hardman for a 6th-round pick, Justyn Ross as an undrafted free agent, etc.) Hollywood appears to be the same type of deal they gave JuJu. I could be wrong, but I think the Chiefs' general philosophy is that it doesn't make sense to pay big money for a #1 receiver. Most #1s can be taken out by an elite cornerback (look no further than what KC's CBs did to Tyreek, Diggs, and Deebo in the Super Bowl.) You really win with depth and being able to have your #3 and #4 beat the other team's depth corners. The Chiefs thought they had a deep young WR corps this past year and were obviously wrong, so that backfired in a sense. And they really haven't been able to put together a great top-to-bottom receiving corps in the Mahomes era. But they've tried (and mostly failed) to put together deep rooms post Tyreek rather than a star driven WR room. Edited March 15 by beebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, beebe said: Fair enough, but similar to this one, it's always been with low-risk moves. Tyreek was a 5th rounder (and was drafted for Alex Smith). Veach hasn't spent a top-50 pick on a receiver in the Mahomes era and has generally gone after after-thoughts (ie the always-injured Watkins, JuJu on an incentive-based deal, bad-attitude Toney in a trade, MVS the budget-friendly deep threat, reacquiring Hardman for a 6th-round pick, Justyn Ross as an undrafted free agent, etc.) Hollywood appears to be the same type of deal they gave JuJu. When you have a great QB you’re able to do that and still win Superbowls. Why can’t we get on this strategy? We have a great qb too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beebe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 90sBills said: When you have a great QB you’re able to do that and still win Superbowls. Why can’t we get on this strategy? We have a great qb too. If you're allocating 15%-20% of your cap space to the QB then you basically have to save money on your wide receivers. Edited March 15 by beebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, beebe said: Fair enough, but similar to this one, it's always been with low-risk moves. Tyreek was a 5th rounder (and was drafted for Alex Smith). Veach hasn't spent a top-50 pick on a receiver in the Mahomes era and has generally gone after after-thoughts (ie the always-injured Watkins, JuJu on an incentive-based deal, bad-attitude Toney in a trade, MVS the budget-friendly deep threat, reacquiring Hardman for a 6th-round pick, Justyn Ross as an undrafted free agent, etc.) Hollywood appears to be the same type of deal they gave JuJu. I could be wrong, but I think the Chiefs' general philosophy is that it doesn't make sense to pay big money for a #1 receiver. Most #1s can be taken out by an elite cornerback (look no further than what KC's CBs did to Tyreek, Diggs, and Deebo in the Super Bowl.) You really win with depth and being able to have your #3 and #4 beat the other team's depth corners. The Chiefs thought they had a deep young WR corps this past year and were obviously wrong, so that backfired in a sense. And they really haven't been able to put together a great top-to-bottom receiving corps in the Mahomes era. But they've tried to put together deep rooms post Tyreek rather than a star driven WR room. Agreed, but compare that to us. Chiefs gave out a solid contract to MVS and now Hollywood. We finally gave one to Samuel for the first time since trading for Diggs. Chiefs have drafted back to back RD2 WR’s. Bills haven’t drafted anywhere higher than the 4th Round for Allen. Of course, all this is possible because they have Kelce. Let’s hope Kincaid can become our version of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercrw Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Not sure where everyone's getting the 7 million number. It's up to 11 million with incentives supposedly not hard to reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Silvercrw said: Not sure where everyone's getting the 7 million number. It's up to 11 million with incentives supposedly not hard to reach. 7m is guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Meh. Brown seems to be getting over hyped. He's just a guy. But it's a good deal for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 15 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Brown or Samuel would do well with KC. Just shocking how little KC paid for Brown. It doesn’t even make sense. There’s no way he should have signed for this little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Agreed, but compare that to us. Chiefs gave out a solid contract to MVS and now Hollywood. We finally gave one to Samuel for the first time since trading for Diggs. Chiefs have drafted back to back RD2 WR’s. Bills haven’t drafted anywhere higher than the 4th Round for Allen. Of course, all this is possible because they have Kelce. Let’s hope Kincaid can become our version of that. Bills felt WR1 and WR2 were set. Chiefs traded WR1 for a lot of draft assets. Chiefs haven’t felt set at WR1 or WR2 since 2021. There’s a big difference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Billl said: It doesn’t even make sense. There’s no way he should have signed for this little. It really doesn’t. At the minimum should’ve been a deal similar Samuel. But I think he’s betting on himself with Mahomes to cash in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: Agreed, but compare that to us. Chiefs gave out a solid contract to MVS and now Hollywood. We finally gave one to Samuel for the first time since trading for Diggs. Chiefs have drafted back to back RD2 WR’s. Bills haven’t drafted anywhere higher than the 4th Round for Allen. Of course, all this is possible because they have Kelce. Let’s hope Kincaid can become our version of that. The Bills have invested heavily in their defense over the last five years and had top-5 units four of the last five. The Chiefs largely invested in their offense (ie bolstered the OL after the loss to the Bucs in the Super Bowl) and for a bit had fairly expensive Tyreek and Kelce — but the defense was average to below average for Mahomes' first five years. The past two drafts, the Chiefs have invested in their defense and tried to go the budget receiver route. That backfired. But their defense became a top-5 unit. The Chiefs scored 7 fewer points per game en route to winning Super Bowl #3 than they scored en route to winning Super Bowl #1. If the Bills go all-in on offense this year and have holes all over the defense, and lose a playoff game because the D can't get off the field, people will complain about the defense being not good enough and will want the Bills to upgrade the defense. It's really hard to be good on both sides of the ball. Amazingly, Buffalo has been top-5 on both sides of the ball at the same time more than any team in the NFL over the last five years. These have been good teams that came up short. Edited March 15 by beebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Billl said: It doesn’t even make sense. There’s no way he should have signed for this little. He's just a guy. If teams were knocking down his door, he surely would've gotten more. I bet part of his goal was to be in a good offense too, so it's possible he turned down more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 19 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Brown or Samuel would do well with KC. Just shocking how little KC paid for Brown. Tells you what the league thinks "Hollywood" is worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, TBBills Fan said: Tells you what the league thinks "Hollywood" is worth And Samuel by how similar their deals are. Only difference is Brown is betting that he can get a bigger deal after next season while Samuel wanted the extra year of security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said: Tells you what the league thinks "Hollywood" is worth He reportedly had quite a few suitors, but is choosing to bet on himself in 2024 in hopes of getting a bigger payday next year. Also, how do you say no to this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 17 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah Brown had a Davis-esque catch percentage of 50.5% last year. That's why he is signing a one year prove it deal. It's a good signing for them though. He will give them at bare minimum a better version of MVS's role last year I was just gonna say that lol. Like he has stats…much like Davis does, but based on opportunities both guys bungled they should be even better than the stat sheet says the classic receptions/tds/yards that everyone looks at doesn’t really tell you the full story. MVS def stunk at times in the regular season but he made some massive plays in the playoffs. He made a pretty wild tightly contested catch against us for a big gain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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