Doc Brown Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) I don't care what Beane says at the presser. If he can save 4.9 million by cutting him he's going to do it. Edited January 25 by Doc Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Uh he better be cut... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said: Wanted to check this and yes, his salary hit is $5,480,000 with just $500,000 dead if cut. I can't see how a backup RB — even if he returns kicks — can make this money. his 2024 base salary is slotted to be the 7th highest weekly paycheck for a running back in the entire league he will either need a drastic rework or new team. He can’t be a top ten salary and if cut not a single team would pay it. Knock on wood he sees that. 53 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m predicting that even if they halve his money come March like they did last year …people are still gunna say he is over paid they could cut his total cash payout next year in half and still be the 16th highest paid back in the league without being our starter. so yes. He could cut it in half and be too highly compensated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I don't care what Beane says at the presser. If he can save 4.9 million by cutting him he's going to do it. 54 minutes ago, Process said: Uh he better be cut... It's not going to happen. Not at least until after the Pre-Season, if he proves to have lost a step. We could have voided his deal completely last year and been completely scot free of paying him a dime last year or this year. We didn't do it then, so why would they do it now that he's ready to come back and both Beane and he said he's coming back? I'm sure his number will drop via a paycut or some kind of restructure. But he'll be here. Edited January 25 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: they could cut his total cash payout next year in half and still be the 16th highest paid back in the league without being our starter. so yes. He could cut it in half and be too highly compensated. Time will tell buddy … time will tell,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: We'll see. If he's the same player he was in Indianapolis and hasn't lost a step - this is absolutely incorrect. Even if he’s the same exact guy…..I’d rather give it to cook or ty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: Even if he’s the same exact guy…..I’d rather give it to cook or ty Situationally, they still will. Cook is the starter and will take the majority of the hand offs. Johnson showed better tough yardage running than Murray or Cook and will be used there and when Cook needs a breather. Hines on occasional passing downs, maybe as part of 2 RB packages or in motion in conjunction with Kick and Punt Returns. We always carry 3 RB's on Game Day. We carried 4 when Taiwan Jones was being used on Special Teams. We can carry Cook, Johnson, and Hines and maybe even 1 more with Hines doing a lot of Special Teams work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 hours ago, Xwnyer said: Hopefully our OC a would figure out how to utilize him in the offense. He should figure out how to use Diggs while he is at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Situationally, they still will. Cook is the starter and will take the majority of the hand offs. Johnson showed better tough yardage running than Murray or Cook and will be used there and when Cook needs a breather. Hines on occasional passing downs, maybe as part of 2 RB packages or in motion in conjunction with Kick and Punt Returns. We always carry 3 RB's on Game Day. We carried 4 when Taiwan Jones was being used on Special Teams. We can carry Cook, Johnson, and Hines and maybe even 1 more with Hines doing a lot of Special Teams work. So 5M and an extra roster spot for a RB….. Keeping him hurts the team. Doesn’t matter how good he is. Speed RB coming off knee reconstruction or w/e he had. 4 RBs- just poor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, NewEra said: So 5M and an extra roster spot for a RB….. Keeping him hurts the team. Doesn’t matter how good he is. Speed RB coming off knee reconstruction or w/e he had. 4 RBs- just poor The 5 will surely come down somehow. Whether they can move some stuff around in the contract or an out right pay cut. And we always keep 4 RB's on the 53. 2022 we had Singletary, Cook, Moss (than Hines) and Jones. 2023 we went into the season with Cook, Harris, Murray, and Johnson. We only moved to 3 when Murray went down and we needed an extra spot elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The 5 will surely come down somehow. Whether they can move some stuff around in the contract or an out right pay cut. And we always keep 4 RB's on the 53. 2022 we had Singletary, Cook, Moss (than Hines) and Jones. 2023 we went into the season with Cook, Harris, Murray, and Johnson. We only moved to 3 when Murray went down and we needed an extra spot elsewhere. We went into the 2023 season with cook, Harris, Murray and Johnson on the active roster? Edited January 25 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: We went into the 2023 season with cook, Harris, Murray and Johnson on the active roster? Actually, you're right. My mistake. He was like the last cut and was presumed on the 53 until it was announced. So last year was the one exception. Every other year under McDermott we kept 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: Actually, you're right. My mistake. He was like the last cut and was presumed on the 53 until it was announced. So last year was the one exception. Every other year under McDermott we kept 4. He was “presumed” to be on the roster? Presumed by whom? I never thought we were going to keep 4 RBs. Would have been a mistake just like keeping Hines will be a burden to our roster and cap. I won’t underestimate what Beanes “word” is worth. It does mean a lot. But I stand on keeping him and paying him anything does nothing but hurt this team in 2024 agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: It's not going to happen. Not at least until after the Pre-Season, if he proves to have lost a step. We could have voided his deal completely last year and been completely scot free of paying him a dime last year or this year. We didn't do it then, so why would they do it now that he's ready to come back and both Beane and he said he's coming back? I'm sure his number will drop via a paycut or some kind of restructure. But he'll be here. That's the only way that will happen and why didn't you lead off with that? It's possible they already have a major pay cut or restructure in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That's the only way that will happen and why didn't you lead off with that? It's possible they already have a major pay cut or restructure in place. I mean, I did kind of touch on that in the last paragraph of the OP. Edited January 25 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm not a capologist, so I don't know if there's any massaging that can be done to his contract to create some relief somewhere. But it's pretty clear that unless he is completely physically unable to perform, Nyheim Hines will be one of our RB's behind James Cook. 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I mean, I did kind of touch on that in the last paragraph of the OP. I just read this as you think he's coming back next year regardless of his contract which is ludicrous because you don't pay a backup running back five million dollars. Especially how tight against the cap this team is. To me him and Hardy are the most obvious cut candidates as it saves you nine million dollars. If Hines stays on the team I expect him to take a major pay cut because I doubt any other team is going to pay him above the veteran minimum for an aging RB coming off an ACL tear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Time will tell buddy … time will tell,,, you think if we cut him he’s signing a top 10-15 contract? If not, you agree and just don’t like that you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I have no issues with him “competing” for a spot on the team, but if he doesn’t trust his knee repair and isn’t up to it performance wise he needs to be let go, jmo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 11 hours ago, SCBills said: It seems like Nyheim Hines and Deonte Harty are two luxuries for we can’t really afford to have both of, but we shall see. I'd rather have Hines and Harty than Matakevich and Siran Neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Dime a dozen? The guy had two returns for a TD in the same game. How many times have you seen that? You can argue your opinion of his value all you want. That's not the point of the post. The point is he's not getting cut before the final cutdown. And unless he shows he's lost a step or is clearly beat out, probably won't be cut at all. You're not serious with that. KO returns for TDs are les than 1% league-wide every year--he only has those 2 so there's no reason to believe that's "his thing". Lightning struck twice in one game--that is his singular career achievement. Also, he has, on Offense, 546 career touches and less than 3000 yards from scrimmage....in 5 years. What about the other 9 games in his Buffalo career (or his other 81 career games)? The Bills staff could not find anything for this guy to do. He ran 6 times for -3 yards, targeted 9 times, caught 5 balls for 53 yards. The guy was invisible...other than for one day. He is absolutely a dime a dozen RB. If they keep him, it's not clear why. He (once) helped the Bills beat up a crappy NE team in 2022. That's the alpha and the omega of this guy's career here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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