Peace Frog Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: He should have taken the illegal contact penalty. Would have given the Bills another down and allowed them to take time off the clock. And that may have allowed us to possibly win. However, the elephant in the room still exists: there is something wrong with this team, isn't there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Does Allen have the same success with Rex Ryan? Probably more because Rex's offenses before McD were competent. Mc D's ranked 31, 29 & 24th his first three seasons!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, PBF81 said: We're hardly the only team with significant injuries. People talk about Jones like he was a perennial pro-bowler, which is far from the case. He's never distiniguished himself apart from the first few games of this season, whereupon some Bills fans have prematurely turned him into some kind of a legend. It's remarkable. Milano was an enormous loss, but any monkey should have been able to see that if he went down that the LB unit would be in a world of hurt, which it is. That's on Beane whether people want to accept that or not. White was gone most of last season and when he was on the field he wasn't good. So let's not extrapolate that there's a big difference between last season and this one in that regard. Otherwise, all teams have injuries, the fact that we don't have adequate depth to overcome them is a Beane problem. We're hardly the first team to have to play effectively through those. It would help if the offense played up to its capabilities however. Playing "not as well as you did" is one thing. Playing like we have today and last week, against garbage QBs with few weapons, and on the most futile offensive teams in the league is altogether another. Yes and the teams with significant injuries generally lose. See 49rs without there two best offensive weapons. Jones was the top rated interior defensive lineman when he left. And Trey was finally rounding into form. Take away Oliver today and it just exposed our linebackers to too much . So to minimize these loses is ignorant. Beyond that, no excuse for losing today or looking so poorly the last 3 weeks. This team is as frustrating to watch as any. Prime years are being wasted and Josh needs to look at himself at times also. I believe Beane has mismanaged the cap. Look what’s tied up in Von and Knox, who else is overpaid for limited production? I’m just rambling at this point. We are in trouble and have little opportunity to fix it this year. But with the cap problems, what can be done next? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Probably more because Rex's offenses before McD were competent. Mc D's ranked 31, 29 & 24th his first three seasons!!!!! Then go hire Greg Roman again. The guy we all wanted fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Then go hire Greg Roman again. The guy we all wanted fired. The question was does Allen have the same success with Rex as with McD. No brainer that Allen would have been the focal point from day 1 with Rex, Peterman wouldn't have been named the 2018 syaryer and Allen's skills would have been fast tracked. Again conjecture, but either you buy into McD or you don't. I never have. He's a good coach too reliant on defence, not a great one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Yes and the teams with significant injuries generally lose. See 49rs without there two best offensive weapons. Jones was the top rated interior defensive lineman when he left. Jones was playing at a high. He wasn't going to, nor will if he returns, continue play at that level for an entire season. Remember who we played, it wasn't the Chiefs, Bengals, Eagles, and Dallas. We got amped up for one game against a decent offense. Hammering Howell, the most sacked QB in the league, Garropolo who's hardly fleet of foot, and Wilson isn't hammering Young, Brady, and Mahomes. 2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: And Trey was finally rounding into form. Fine, but the D with him in out of it was no different in that respect from the D with him in or out of it last season. He sucked when he was in. So there shouldn't be any difference comparatively there. 2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Take away Oliver today and it just exposed our linebackers to too much . So to minimize these loses is ignorant. The quality of our LBs exposed our LBs. That's a Beane issue. Other teams rely on their depth with the loss of a DT like that. Not minimizing it, but also not monumentalizing it either. 2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Beyond that, no excuse for losing today or looking so poorly the last 3 weeks. This team is as frustrating to watch as any. Prime years are being wasted and Josh needs to look at himself at times also. I believe Beane has mismanaged the cap. Look what’s tied up in Von and Knox, who else is overpaid for limited production? Full agreement. 2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: I’m just rambling at this point. We are in trouble and have little opportunity to fix it this year. But with the cap problems, what can be done next? Well, to start, we're helpless. LOL All we can do is lament and gripe. I'll join you in a round of "get off my lawn." The cap problems, again, are on Beane. When you take risks like we did on Von Miller, and have to go to free-agency due to your lack of being able to get the requisite talent via the draft, when you re-sign players like Knox at that cost, etc., that's your problem, meaning the one that did that. That's Beane. it's his mess, let him clean it up. It's good that the awareness for these things is increasing however. Perhaps there's a solution in the next season or two. That's on Pegula. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: The question was does Allen have the same success with Rex as with McD. No brainer that Allen would have been the focal point from day 1 with Rex, Peterman wouldn't have been named the 2018 syaryer and Allen's skills would have been fast tracked. Again conjecture, but either you buy into McD or you don't. I never have. He's a good coach too reliant on defence, not a great one. I bought into McD until now. I have concerns this is the end of the line. Let’s see how he responds. If we miss the playoffs, he needs to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Take away Oliver today and it just exposed our linebackers to too much. BTW, our LBs, whom McBeane sold to us, Williams and Bernard, aren't built for the kind of game that they faced today, where more traditional LBs were required. 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: I bought into McD until now. I have concerns this is the end of the line. Let’s see how he responds. If we miss the playoffs, he needs to go. Even if we make the playoffs, does that mean that he's adequate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: BTW, our LBs, whom McBeane sold to us, Williams and Bernard, aren't built for the kind of game that they faced today, where more traditional LBs were required. Even if we make the playoffs, does that mean that he's adequate? Yes, given the brutally tough AFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Yes, given the brutally tough AFC So, say we scrape in at 10-7, then lose again like we typically do in the wild-card or divisional round. You're still hopeful that McD's the one that can deliver the hardware? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, PBF81 said: So, say we scrape in at 10-7, then lose again like we typically do in the wild-card or divisional round. You're still hopeful that McD's the one that can deliver the hardware? Depends on how the season ends. Just get us into the dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Depends on how the season ends. Just get us into the dance. So that's your goal, regardless of what happens when we get there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, PBF81 said: So that's your goal, regardless of what happens when we get there? Every teams goal is to get to the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Buddy Hix said: I knew McD wasn’t that bright when he choked 13 secs away. He’s not the guy. It was the way he did it. Used his own timeouts to let the Chiefs get into the right play, according to Mahomes himself. He's been owning himself with defensive TOs since he got to Buffalo. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Every teams goal is to get to the playoffs No, every team's goal is to win a Super Bowl. Getting to the playoffs is merely one step in that progression. Not one team ever has said once it gets to the playoffs, ... Coach: Well fellas, we've achieved our goal. Let's just have fun from here on out and win or lose, remember, we achieved what we've set out to do. It's been a great season. Thanks for participating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Peace Frog said: And that may have allowed us to possibly win. However, the elephant in the room still exists: there is something wrong with this team, isn't there? Yep but I'm not waving the white flag just yet. Although it could crumble right before our eyes. Edited October 23, 2023 by Wayne Arnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: He broke the drought and dragged Whaley’s POS roster to the playoffs. He instilled confidence in our team. He set up the turnaround. He didn't break any drought lol..luck broke the drought..we backed into the playoffs by late game heroics from Andy Dalton and Tyler Boyd..we did promptly get bounced right out and only managed a fg the next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Billever76 said: He didn't break any drought lol..luck broke the drought..we backed into the playoffs by late game heroics from Andy Dalton and Tyler Boyd..we did promptly get bounced right out and only managed a fg the next week How did we get into position to make the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Roundybout said: How did we get into position to make the playoffs? A relatively easy schedule and a defense who were loaded with talent.....we didn't deserve playoffs and our wc game proved that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) We're about to see how good or bad Sean McDermott is as a head football coach for the next 2+ months. If he's never been very good, he's going to lose control of the team and this season is going to go off the rails. If he's the real deal, then this team is going to turn it around and make the playoffs and maybe even a run. It's never been set up so perfectly. Buckle up, folks. Edited October 23, 2023 by Wayne Arnold 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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