Change of plans. Biden is building a wall.

[JDHillFan]

20 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'll repeat, the money from this 'wall Bidenz building' is from appropriations(from Congress) from 2019 that HAD to legally be spent

Is there a statute of limitations of sorts that requires the money be spent now and that Biden realized his hands were tied a day after the dramatic Mayorcas order? Why wasn’t it spent in the four years since it was appropriated? I don’t know the answers to these questions. I hope you don’t find them too silly and partisan. 

[daz28]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's needed in many areas.  Along with the "remain in Mexico" policy, more and empowered border agents and aerial surveillance. 

I'd agree with all that, but the policies, laws, and enforcement all need work that Congress refuses to look at.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

33 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I got a newsflash for everyone.  Presidents don't make or change laws.  They also can't spend money.  Fox news rots brains.  Biden can no more build a wall than Trump can.  I'll repeat, the money from this 'wall Bidenz building' is from appropriations(from Congress) from 2019 that HAD to legally be spent.  For the most part, the immigration/border issues are issues Congress has to fix(which neither did when they've had the chance).

Yup, just emphatically informed of this verbally.

[daz28]

8 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Is there a statute of limitations of sorts that requires the money be spent now and that Biden realized his hands were tied a day after the dramatic Mayorcas order? Why wasn’t it spent in the four years since it was appropriated? I don’t know the answers to these questions. I hope you don’t find them too silly and partisan. 

Yes, I believe that's what happened.  I'm guessing Biden was sitting on the money stupidly even though it was needed before just so he didn't look hypocritical(silly political games).  I'd imagine he could have claimed there was conflicting laws(eco), but Mayorkas wanted(needed) the section of wall.

[JDHillFan]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

Yes, I believe that's what happened.  I'm guessing Biden was sitting on the money stupidly even though it was needed before just so he didn't look hypocritical(silly political games).  I'd imagine he could have claimed there was conflicting laws(eco), but Mayorkas wanted(needed) the section of wall.

I see that it allegedly needs to be spent by year end. God only knows what awful penalty would await if it weren’t. 
 

Mayorcas now says “we are compelled to follow the law”. In order to do so 26 other laws will be waived. 
 

Something seems just a touch off. Hopefully Joe gives us his word as a Biden that it’s all on the up and up. Seems like he should have known about all this when he declared not a foot of new wall would be built during his presidency. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

It’s kind of funny… this wall topic. 
 

I noticed they fence off and wall prisons, or secure places they like to control access to.
 

Then there was a wall traversing through Berlin at one point, that seemed to inhibit free movement back and forth.

 

I suppose they didn’t know about shovels or ladders way back then….

 

Or maybe bolstering or improving a physical barrier at the point of enforcement reduces the aperture of entry points to allow resources to be spread less thinly. 

 

it takes a fraction of a second to step over an invisible line in the dirt. It takes a little more time to climb over a 20 ft wall with a ladder or dig a tunnel under it. 
 

It always seemed to me the idea was to help organize and better manage the incoming flow, and make it a tiny bit harder for the ones trying to come in without being detected. 

[daz28]

5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I see that it allegedly needs to be spent by year end. God only knows what awful penalty would await if it weren’t. 
 

Mayorcas now says “we are compelled to follow the law”. In order to do so 26 other laws will be waived. 
 

Something seems just a touch off. Hopefully Joe gives us his word as a Biden that it’s all on the up and up. Seems like he should have known about all this when he declared not a foot of new wall would be built during his presidency. 

You may be a bit confused about the silly political games.  It's not Trump/Biden/all of them's fault that they play them.  The fault lies squarely on the shoulders of the uneducated voter who pledges allegiance to their favorite media source, which happily feeds them all the information they want to hear for profits.  In the trifecta of terrible that is the voter, the politician, and the media, the voter is the biggest loser, because he wants and chooses to be, and then he blames the other two.  If people hated both sides as much as they should, it would likely lead to solutions.    

[GETTOTHE50]

10 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Such a dumb waste of money. 

Im more conservative than liberal and I agree, the wall is stupid. Unfortunately it’s the only damn thing the govt has came up with to try to solve the issue.  they refuse to actually help these people acclimate to society to ultimately become self sustaining American citizens. 
 

the rinos don’t want to deal with immigrants because they are stupid and lazy (the rinos are, not immigrants) and the immigrants are only political pawns for dems. the dems don’t give a ***** about them. 
 

It’s a ***** situation where both sides refuse to actually come up with a reasonable solution, which they easily could IMO. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Lol.  The lefties now say a wall is good and has always been part of the plan.  

 

And bidens executive orders yesterday didn't happen. 

 

Lol

[BillsFanNC]

Everyone knows that there's not a chance in hell that dems will actually build a wall, right?

[Unforgiven]

How many invaders will they let in before the slow useful idiots realize they will also be impacted?

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Im more conservative than liberal and I agree, the wall is stupid. Unfortunately it’s the only damn thing the govt has came up with to try to solve the issue.  they refuse to actually help these people acclimate to society to ultimately become self sustaining American citizens. 
 

the rinos don’t want to deal with immigrants because they are stupid and lazy (the rinos are, not immigrants) and the immigrants are only political pawns for dems. the dems don’t give a ***** about them. 
 

It’s a ***** situation where both sides refuse to actually come up with a reasonable solution, which they easily could IMO. 

I think most of the D pols don't.  I think a few do.  Like AOC.  I think Talib cares about Palestinian refugees, I think Sanders actually cares about them.  Butyeah, by and large they don't.  And most D voters don't either.  Again, I think the more liberal ones do.

 

If the pols could come up with a comprehensive plan to deal with these people fairly and humanely, I think most everyone but the far R would be OK with it.  But they won't.  It's a wedge issue that's a winner for the R's right now....

[ChiGoose]

4 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Lol.  The lefties now say a wall is good and has always been part of the plan.  

 

And bidens executive orders yesterday didn't happen. 

 

Lol

Are you unable to read and just make up whatever fits your narrative despite the facts?

 

Liberals seem pretty upset about Biden’s move here.  But I guess that’s inconvenient for you, so you just ignore it. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Walls work very well in the rest of the world. Fences work great for most of us.

 

I see they put them around sensitive installations.  they must do something.

 

Anything to move the flow to a port of call is a good thing.

 

vs the human trafficking happening between.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Unforgiven said:

How many invaders will they let in before the slow useful idiots realize they will also be impacted?

 

That was the impact of the move to start bussing migrants into democratic strongholds. 

every once in a while you see a good political maneuver- this was. 
 

once democrats and libs start seeing their communities taxed by all these homeless people showing up and demanding their food and shelter, they started saying… hmm this border thing is a problem. It was a hysterical inevitability when faux philanthropist libs who want to give away everything of everyone else’s gets impacted themselves by unintended consequences. Kind of a momentary awakening from the fallacy of their socialist utopian idealism. 
 

theyre all the same. They are ok giving to others until it means they have to contribute 😂 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Gregg]

5 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

Lol.  The lefties now say a wall is good and has always been part of the plan.  

 

And bidens executive orders yesterday didn't happen. 

 

Lol

 

Remember election season is coming up soon so the Dems have to pretend they care about the American people so they can get re-elected again. Sadly, it will work as their clueless sheep fanbase will believe them.

[Doc]

9 hours ago, daz28 said:

I'd agree with all that, but the policies, laws, and enforcement all need work that Congress refuses to look at.  

 

👍

 

But again you need a supermajority in the Senate to make it happen.  No Dem will go along with it.

Edited October 6, 2023 by Doc

[Tommy Callahan]

9 hours ago, daz28 said:

You may be a bit confused about the silly political games.  It's not Trump/Biden/all of them's fault that they play them.  The fault lies squarely on the shoulders of the uneducated voter who pledges allegiance to their favorite media source, which happily feeds them all the information they want to hear for profits.  In the trifecta of terrible that is the voter, the politician, and the media, the voter is the biggest loser, because he wants and chooses to be, and then he blames the other two.  If people hated both sides as much as they should, it would likely lead to solutions.    

like the fact most media are just mouthpieces for the DNC?

 

and the DNC and its PACS are targeting the uneducated youth demo with massively expensive PR?

 

like that?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

As Joe Biden’s border crisis continues unabated, the American public is suffering from severe whiplash compliments of his administration’s bizarre and boomeranging messaging on the issue. 

 

When former President Donald Trump vowed to build a wall on the border to stem the flow of illegal immigration, we were told that walls don’t work (and that the very idea of building one was racist and xenophobic). 

 

When Biden ran for office, he vowed “not another foot of wall” would be constructed under his administration. When he took office, he issued an executive order declaring that no more taxpayer dollars would be diverted to construct the wall. 

 

When questioned about the influx of immigrants on their watch, the administration steadfastly claimed the border was “secure.” 

 

Until Wednesday, when, in an apparent about-face, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas issued a notice announcing that 26 federal laws would be waived to permit more border wall construction in southern Texas, noting “an acute and immediate need” to construct barriers and prevent unlawful entries into the country. 

 

Only to have Biden state again on Thursday that walls don’t work, and Mayorkas attribute the change to Congress having already appropriated the funds and the administration having no choice under the law. 

 

So…basically, walls don’t work unless there’s an acute need for them…but they still don’t work — at least not for Democratic messaging purposes. 

 

https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2023/10/06/moore-to-the-point-walls-dont-work-n2164741

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 hours ago, daz28 said:

If people hated both sides as much as they should, it would likely lead to solutions.    

This is really the nutshell. It’s painful how complaint sycophants vilify or exonerate identical behaviors based exclusively on party lines. 
 

There is an extreme lack of neutrality and objectivity across the board. Also if you are objective the liberal bias has more ownership of the mainstream right now.  
 

For each Fox News there are 3 msnbc’s.   
 

either party having too much control will be bad but right now we seem to be whipsawing to the extremes totally leaping over the 70 percent of moderates in the middle of the tug of war.

 

the saddest part is one of the most important elements of classic liberalism, resistance to government overreach, has been completely deleted from todays core liberal principles- they are cheerleaders for overreach and want more. 

 

I wonder if it’s repairable