Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 I want to spin this off from the Josh is lazy thread, and really debate this at face value. Let’s look at other QBs and their “work ethic” “talent abilities” and compare them to get a better idea of why. Let’s start with Tom Brady. Everyone here knows that Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs and yet he always had solid statistics and always knew where to place the ball. Everyone here knows that Josh Allen is one of the most athletic QBs. Josh has admitted he isn’t big into game film. But the more you dig into what it takes to be great, the more concerning that seems to be. How is it that Tom Brady can win so many super bowls with lower tier athleticism and arm strength and yet Josh Allen with his superior skill set has been unable to win even 1 Super Bowl? Tom Brady never really had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time outside of Moss, and yet he still always managed to keep the chains moving and put up points enough to win games. Josh Allen has had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time Diggs, and yet still unable to get over the hump. So I think questions around Allen’s “laziness” is warranted. Why should an elite talented QB be struggling more than a non elite talented QB? The only real difference is football IQ and studying the game to the point were you can attack and become a master despite not having elite traits. Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking, and others can chime in. But things do seem to not add up. 2 9 9 7 3 2 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: I want to spin this off from the Josh is lazy thread, and really debate this at face value. Let’s look at other QBs and their “work ethic” “talent abilities” and compare them to get a better idea of why. Let’s start with Tom Brady. Everyone here knows that Tom Brady is one of the least athletic QBs and yet he always had solid statistics and always knew where to place the ball. Everyone here knows that Josh Allen is one of the most athletic QBs. Josh has admitted he isn’t big into game film. But the more you dig into what it takes to be great, the more concerning that seems to be. How is it that Tom Brady can win so many super bowls with lower tier athleticism and arm strength and yet Josh Allen with his superior skill set has been unable to win even 1 Super Bowl? Tom Brady never really had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time outside of Moss, and yet he still always managed to keep the chains moving and put up points enough to win games. Josh Allen has had a true #1 WR for an extended period of time Diggs, and yet still unable to get over the hump. So I think questions around Allen’s “laziness” is warranted. Why should an elite talented QB be struggling more than a non elite talented QB? The only real difference is football IQ and studying the game to the point were you can attack and become a master despite not having elite traits. Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking, and others can chime in. But things do seem to not add up. OK I'm for most discussions on this board but this is a bad attempt at trolling, you can say it isn't but we know this is what this is. I'm not a mod here but I'd shut this thread down. Edited September 2, 2023 by BillzFreak 6 5 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, BillzFreak said: OK I'm for most discussions on this board but this is a bad attempt at trolling, you can say it isn't but we know this what this is. I'm not a mod here but I'd shut this thread down. Why, it’s an honest discussion. Seriously, Brady wasn’t athletic at all compared to Josh, and yet he still managed to win the big games. Why? Was it because he put in more time on the field to learn the ins and outs? 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 I swear to god this is the most negative fan forum in all of professional sports. 2 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Araiza Curse said: Why, it’s an honest discussion. Seriously, Brady wasn’t athletic at all compared to Josh, and yet he still managed to win the big games. Why? Was it because he put in more time on the field to learn the ins and outs? So how come Dan Marino never won a championship then? 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Defensive coaching. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, BillzFreak said: So how come Dan Marino never won a championship then? He never really had an elite team. The organization during his tenure was bad at best. 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Defensive coaching. Belichick is a defensive coach? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 I don't know if anyone knows this, but winning the Super Bowl is like really hard. I think only one team does it each year. But seriously did someone pump the board full of hallucinogens and not tell me? 2 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Araiza Curse said: He never really had an elite team. The organization during his tenure was bad at best. How about Phillip Rivers then? This is exactly my point, you can make a whole list of great Quaterbacks who haven't won a superb bowl. This is a troll thread, and it should be shut down plain and simple. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: I don't know if anyone knows this, but winning the Super Bowl is like really hard. I think only one team does it each year. But seriously did someone pump the board full of hallucinogens and not tell me? Then how did a non athletic QB like Brady do it 7 times? 1 minute ago, BillzFreak said: How about Phillip Rivers then? This is exactly my point, you can make a whole list of great Quaterbacks who haven't won a superb bowl. This is a troll thread, and it should be shut down plain and simple. Phillip Rivers did not have the physical gifts needed to win a Super Bowl. Allen does and still isn’t doing it. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Araiza Curse said: Then how did a non athletic QB like Brady do it 7 times? Ask New England fans this is a Buffalo Bills board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 We’re not winning super bowls because @Araiza Curse touches himself at night. 1 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, BillzFreak said: Ask New England fans this is a Buffalo Bills board It’s a relevant question because we are comparing situations. If you don’t like it, don’t post in this thread. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Then how did a non athletic QB like Brady do it 7 times? Phillip Rivers did not have the physical gifts needed to win a Super Bowl. Allen does and still isn’t doing it. But yet you say Brady won despite having not physical gifts? You're spinning you're wheels here troll. Honestly do you think people on here are stupid not to know what you trying to do with this thread? Edited September 2, 2023 by BillzFreak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 13 seconds and who knows? This thread might not have been started. Luck, fate, bounces... NE won more than a few Bowls by only 3 points. Luck, fate, bounces etc... Hate the saying, but it is what it is. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Well you see the Patriots and Tom Brady had a 20 year window and Josh Allen and the Bills have only 6. 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, BillzFreak said: But yet you say Brady won despite having not physical gifts? You're spinning you're wheels here troll. Honestly do you think people on here are stupid not to know what you trying to do with this thread? Because Brady wanted it more than Rivers did. Brady studied the film harder than anyone I know. He was a surgeon on the field. That is what it takes to be great. Doing the little things despite not having the raw elite skill set. 2 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Araiza Curse said: Because Brady wanted it more than Rivers did. Brady studied the film harder than anyone I know. He was a surgeon on the field. That is what it takes to be great. Doing the little things despite not having the raw elite skill set. So this is a Tom Brady thread then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Then how did a non athletic QB like Brady do it 7 times? Phillip Rivers did not have the physical gifts needed to win a Super Bowl. Allen does and still isn’t doing it. Well the cheating certainly helped. 1 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, BillzFreak said: So this is a Tom Brady thread then? No, this is a why aren’t we winning super bowls thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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