Mr. WEO Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 9:31 PM, BADOLBILZ said: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Most teams don't have 2 good tackles so why would any of them have more than 4 playable OT's and just release one? Expand Dallas released Peters. So did the Bears... On 8/20/2023 at 9:40 PM, RyanC883 said: agreed, but I can’t imagine going into the season with no Doyle and the disaster at RT currently. Not sure there is a better RT around. Hopefully his age won’t stop Bean. Expand See above Quote
LittleSammy Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 8:41 PM, EffKCChiefs said: Tried to tell several of you that Dawkins was trash and got flamed for it. Brown shouldn't be a starter either he has regressed mightily. Its a real problem. Expand Dawkins, he should change his nickname to the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man - fat, slow and soft. 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) On 8/20/2023 at 10:28 PM, Mr. WEO said: Dallas released Peters. So did the Bears... Expand Dallas and Chicago didn't release Peters..........they had no control over Peters..........he signed one year deals and became a free agent as soon as the season ended. You understand how this works, right? He and Ndamukong Suh are two freaks of nature that are much older than anyone else at their positions but have continually proven they can step in WHENEVER and play good football. They just have no interest in spending the offseason required to attend team activities or training camp. They have both just been picking and choosing when they want to play and whether they want to play with the interested teams. Edited August 21, 2023 by BADOLBILZ 3 Quote
Rico Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 7:41 PM, boyst said: This dude will make two NFL all decade teams and the HOF. I hate that we ever let him go. Expand Well, we may have traded an all-time HOF LT, but we did use the #1 pick from the trade to draft this guy. Sure it took him many years to be anything really good, but just look at him, he fit right in, classic Drought-Era move. . 4 Quote
SoTier Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 5:54 PM, BADOLBILZ said: I don't think he can hold up physically to play 90% of snaps anymore. Yeah he was still doing that in 2021 but, I mean, dude is 41 now. I think you'd just view him as a way better replacement for Quessenberry at this point. Maybe the biggest thing he could do is help Dion Dawkins learn what it takes to extend his career. Dion at 28 was blocking at a level like Peters at 38. That shouldn't be. Dion should be in his prime now and he's trailing off significantly. Maybe he could help wake Dion up and help extend his career. Like I said, Bills fans think he's a malcontent because the Bills tried to move him to LT and pay him RT money and he wanted fair market compensation for the bump in responsibility...........but he's been renowned as a GREAT teammate and leader for the vast majority of his career. Expand Actually, the Bills were paying Peters low-end RT money -- and wanted to continue to do that -- even though Peters made the Pro Bowl and 2nd team All Pro at LT. The LT whom Peters replaced left in free agency the next season and signed for more than the Bills were paying Peters IIRC. Quote
Manther Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 1:55 PM, McBean said: this. Give me a 100 year old Peters at RT over Spencer Brown. Expand Seriously, I think I agree. I think that is a better player for the position and gets us a better O line! Do it! On 8/19/2023 at 3:19 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Jason Peters would be the 2nd best tackle on the Bills. That’s pretty sad. If you have a chance to sign him, you should. Expand Correct and correct, sign him! 1 Quote
Manther Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 7:12 PM, Mr. WEO said: That's a different question than "should the Bills pay a 42 year old Tackle over a million to coach other O-line vets for a year".... Jason Peters would not factor into Josh Allen's health. Expand Meh, I think I disagree. IF Peters can improve the roster, you do it. IF it is for mentorship and coaching you don't. I think he can improve our Oline. It's hard to say, it's sad, but, true, I'm kind of dumb, but, so are you.............Gordie Downie, The Tragically Hip Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 11:19 PM, Rico said: Well, we may have traded an all-time HOF LT, but we did use the #1 pick from the trade to draft this guy. Sure it took him many years to be anything really good, but just look at him, he fit right in, classic Drought-Era move. . Expand The resident Jason Peters haters used to scoff when I told them that not only was Peters great and played a more important position but that despite being in his 6th year when Wood was a rookie that Peters would be in the league well after Wood was gone. @PromoTheRobot used to keep us constantly updated with ANY negative press about Peters until well past the point that he was a HOF'er. Of course he used to do that about Bryant McKinnie as well.........in support of the decision to draft "Big Mike" Williams instead. 2 3 Quote
boyst Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 11:19 PM, Rico said: Well, we may have traded an all-time HOF LT, but we did use the #1 pick from the trade to draft this guy. Sure it took him many years to be anything really good, but just look at him, he fit right in, classic Drought-Era move. . Expand I like him as a person. Unimpressed as a player. The personification of drought era Bills. 3 Quote
Rico Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) On 8/21/2023 at 12:33 AM, BADOLBILZ said: The resident Jason Peters haters used to scoff when I told them that not only was Peters great and played a more important position but that despite being in his 6th year when Wood was a rookie that Peters would be in the league well after Wood was gone. @PromoTheRobot used to keep us constantly updated with ANY negative press about Peters until well past the point that he was a HOF'er. Of course he used to do that about Bryant McKinnie as well.........in support of the decision to draft "Big Mike" Williams instead. Expand He had a mean streak, I can see how people were fooled by him. "I'm hongry, damn it!" "I've gotta drop a deuce, damn it!" Edited August 21, 2023 by Rico 3 Quote
SoTier Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 3:38 AM, AuntieEm said: He had a contract to play RT once he showed at LT he was underpaid. I hated him forcing his way out of Buffali but I couldn't fault him who knows how much quicker the drought would have ended if he remained a Bill had they reworked his deal fairly. Easily could have made difference in making playoffs. Expand If anybody wants evidence that the Bills under Ralph Wilson put profits over winning in his last fifteen years as owner, compare the players the Bills drafted and/or developed that they traded away or allowed to walk in free agency and those that they kept. The list of ex-Bills who went on to star for other teams is far longer than the players the Bills kept who became more than JAGs. Jason Peters, Marshawn Lynch, and Stephon Gilmore all became All Pros for other teams after the Bills sent them packing -- and won SB rings, too. Antoine Winfield, Sr made the Pro Bowl three times and was also named 2nd team All Pro. Willis McGahee made the Pro Bowl twice for two different teams (Baltimore and Denver). There were many more. Kyle Williams was one of the few good home-grown players the Bills kept. They were much more likely to keep players like Chris Kelsay, Lee Evans, and Leodis McKelvin. On 8/20/2023 at 9:31 PM, BADOLBILZ said: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Most teams don't have 2 good tackles so why would any of them have more than 4 playable OT's and just release one? Expand IMO, the only way the Bills can hope to improve their OT situation via other teams' castoffs is if they find a very raw rookie/2nd year player that another team tries to stash on their practice squad. That player would be unlikely to be of much help this season though. 2 Quote
boyst Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 12:54 AM, SoTier said: If anybody wants evidence that the Bills under Ralph Wilson put profits over winning in his last fifteen years as owner, compare the players the Bills drafted and/or developed that they traded away or allowed to walk in free agency and those that they kept. The list of ex-Bills who went on to star for other teams is far longer than the players the Bills kept who became more than JAGs. Jason Peters, Marshawn Lynch, and Stephon Gilmore all became All Pros for other teams after the Bills sent them packing -- and won SB rings, too. Antoine Winfield, Sr made the Pro Bowl three times and was also named 2nd team All Pro. Willis McGahee made the Pro Bowl twice for two different teams (Baltimore and Denver). There were many more. Kyle Williams was one of the few good home-grown players the Bills kept. They were much more likely to keep players like Chris Kelsay, Lee Evans, and Leodis McKelvin. IMO, the only way the Bills can hope to improve their OT situation via other teams' castoffs is if they find a very raw rookie/2nd year player that another team tries to stash on their practice squad. That player would be unlikely to be of much help this season though. Expand We need a Wyatt teller opportunity Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 12:38 AM, boyst said: I like him as a person. Unimpressed as a player. The personification of drought era Bills. Expand Yeah Eric Wood was a very scheme specific player. He was pretty athletic but he was beyond overmatched against power........to the extent that a big DT literally snapped his leg when Wood tried to engage in a test of strength with him. He eventually learned how to stop trying to out-physical opponents after numerous injuries as a result of over-estimating his ability..........and just block the edges of defenders...........and that made him effective in systems where he could be put on the move later in his career. 2 Quote
boyst Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 12:59 AM, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah Eric Wood was a very scheme specific player. He was pretty athletic but he was beyond overmatched against power........to the extent that a big DT literally snapped his leg when Wood tried to engage in a test of strength with him. He eventually learned how to stop trying to out-physical opponents after numerous injuries as a result of over-estimating his ability..........and just block the edges of defenders...........and that made him effective in systems where he could be put on the move later in his career. Expand Bingo. His tough, badass attitude was cute with Maybin, though. Wood started at Guard, and Geoff Hangartner played Center. Hangartners injury caused Wood to move to Center. He may have been better as a guard. Levitre was a better lineman than Wood, too. 2 Quote
beerme1 Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 12:59 AM, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah Eric Wood was a very scheme specific player. He was pretty athletic but he was beyond overmatched against power........to the extent that a big DT literally snapped his leg when Wood tried to engage in a test of strength with him. He eventually learned how to stop trying to out-physical opponents after numerous injuries as a result of over-estimating his ability..........and just block the edges of defenders...........and that made him effective in systems where he could be put on the move later in his career. Expand On 8/21/2023 at 1:11 AM, boyst said: Bingo. His tough, badass attitude was cute with Maybin, though. Wood started at Guard, and Geoff Hangartner played Center. Hangartners injury caused Wood to move to Center. He may have been better as a guard. Levitre was a better lineman than Wood, too. Expand Stop this ***** right now. Wood was very good when he got the neck diagnosis. Quote
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 11:44 PM, SoTier said: Actually, the Bills were paying Peters low-end RT money -- and wanted to continue to do that -- even though Peters made the Pro Bowl and 2nd team All Pro at LT. The LT whom Peters replaced left in free agency the next season and signed for more than the Bills were paying Peters IIRC. Expand Classic Ralph at his football worst. As soon as I saw the contract, I knew they undersold him as a RT and would switch him to left. I think it took like 3 weeks, due to, cough, 'injury'. Ralph screwed this fan-base so many times over the years by hard-ballin' great players. Can't blame Peters for bailing. Look at this crap- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/jason-peters-1179/cash-earnings/ Always gonna love this play... I was so optimistic haha: 1 Quote
CSBill Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 9:17 AM, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Classic Ralph at his football worst. As soon as I saw the contract, I knew they undersold him as a RT and would switch him to left. I think it took like 3 weeks, due to, cough, 'injury'. Ralph screwed this fan-base so many times over the years by hard-ballin' great players. Can't blame Peters for bailing. Look at this crap- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/jason-peters-1179/cash-earnings/ Always gonna love this play... I was so optimistic haha: Expand JP's first NFL TD. Quote
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 9:27 AM, CSBill said: JP's first NFL TD. Expand And then the back-to-back 83 yard TD's to #83, Lee Evans... I was so pumped- it was a sign from God himself!!! or maybe something else 1 Quote
CSBill Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 9:38 AM, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: And then the back-to-back 83 yard TD's to #83, Lee Evans... I was so pumped- it was a sign from God himself!!! or maybe something else Expand Unfortunately, a "sign' of the apocalypse from the book of Revelation, not a future blessing. Quote
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 9:42 AM, CSBill said: Unfortunately, a "sign' of the apocalypse from the book of Revelation, not a future blessing. Expand If he'd kept the problem to 40 days and 40 nights, I would've been fine with it... Quote
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