Orlando Buffalo Posted July 23 Posted July 23 13 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Teachers Unions during COVID: We can do this online. All in this together Oklahoma: Bet. And we won’t need you and we’re going to save tax payers millions This is not that big a deal, FL has 200k kids in our Virtual School. It is a great option if your local school sucks. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 23 Posted July 23 9 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Hey, I thought online schooling was the ruination of a generation of COVID kids? Throw in a little MAGA and I guess it's ok. Whatever. No intelligent parent would ever sign a kid up for this. The majority of people using it in FL do so because the local school is not up snuff. The FLVS platform offers a lot of options and if my child was being bullied I would likely choose it. It was been used widely here for at least 8 years. Your comment of "intelligent parents" is as far from the truth as possible because those I know who use it, which is 4 sets of parents, all do it for ability of having a flexible schedule to travel and help their kids in other endeavors.
Roundybout Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: I don’t know what it is. Maybe they talk about American hegemony. You know, the idea that you have shown interest in within these very pages. I imagine what interests people in this online school as much as anything is keeping their children away from delusional and dangerous people that believe men can be women and that elementary school is a good place to learn about anal and oral. That last bit seems a little pedophilic doesn’t it? Nobody is telling you not to be afraid of this. By all means carry on. A long paragraph of deflection and non sequiturs. You are nothing if not consistent!
JDHillFan Posted July 23 Posted July 23 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: A long paragraph of deflection and non sequiturs. You are nothing if not consistent! You saw yourself in my post and apparently didn’t like it. I don’t blame you. You are having a rough morning. Fingers crossed that “patriotic education” includes a module on US flag code. I know that’s a big one for you. 1
Roundybout Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: You saw yourself in my post and apparently didn’t like it. I don’t blame you. You are having a rough morning. Fingers crossed that “patriotic education” includes a module on US flag code. I know that’s a big one for you. Well we all know it won’t include anything like those pesky civil rights movements
The Frankish Reich Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: This is not that big a deal, FL has 200k kids in our Virtual School. It is a great option if your local school sucks. https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/arizona/districts/american-virtual-academy-79461-104962 If your local school sucks, why not move your kid to an online school that sucks? I get it if there's safety issues at physical school, etc., but this is not a ringing endorsement of American Virtual Academy: 31% of students test proficient in math, 38% in reading. This is my problem with school choice. In general, I support it. I think parents need options, particularly in a lot of school districts that simply aren't getting the job done. But how do we ensure we're not just sending taxpayer money to a private option that is just as bad - or worse - than the public option? If we require the private schools to show adequate performance, what is the performance standard? At least 31% graduate "proficient" in math? That's just setting in stone the miserable "success" rate of the public option, and just transferring money from a bloated public school bureaucracy to a profit-seeking private option. (Note: even if ostensibly a non-profit, a lot of these private administrators pay themselves quite handsomely.) So a serious question to you @Orlando Buffalo, since you know and care about these things: how do we do it? What's a good starting point? Edited July 23 by The Frankish Reich
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/arizona/districts/american-virtual-academy-79461-104962 If your local school sucks, why not move your kid to an online school that sucks? I get it if there's safety issues at physical school, etc., but this is not a ringing endorsement of American Virtual Academy: 31% of students test proficient in math, 38% in reading. This is my problem with school choice. In general, I support it. I think parents need options, particularly in a lot of school districts that simply aren't getting the job done. But how do we ensure we're not just sending taxpayer money to a private option that is just as bad - or worse - than the public option? If we require the private schools to show adequate performance, what is the performance standard? At least 31% graduate "proficient" in math? That's just setting in stone the miserable "success" rate of the public option, and just transferring money from a bloated public school bureaucracy to a profit-seeking private option. (Note: even if ostensibly a non-profit, a lot of these private administrators pay themselves quite handsomely.) So a serious question to you @Orlando Buffalo, since you know and care about these things: how do we do it? What's a good starting point? I appreciate the questions truly, and I have thought a lot about it because sometimes the kids are simply going from one dump to another and the only way it truly gets fixed is make the parents be part of the situation. If you want to move your kid to another place you must be involved. The government is not real effective at determining what makes a good school, outside of test scores, and is poor at pushing through any system that works. Local control is all that I can see working with involved parents. I will point out that my concern is less about who is wasting the money, private or public schools, and more about the child not being given a decent chance. The online school you linked to I am not familiar with but FLVS is much more stable then what you linked to. 2
sherpa Posted July 23 Posted July 23 15 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I appreciate the questions truly, and I have thought a lot about it because sometimes the kids are simply going from one dump to another and the only way it truly gets fixed is make the parents be part of the situation. If you want to move your kid to another place you must be involved. The government is not real effective at determining what makes a good school, outside of test scores, and is poor at pushing through any system that works. Local control is all that I can see working with involved parents. I will point out that my concern is less about who is wasting the money, private or public schools, and more about the child not being given a decent chance. The online school you linked to I am not familiar with but FLVS is much more stable then what you linked to. A thoughtful and informational response to a serious issue. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted Tuesday at 11:41 AM Posted Tuesday at 11:41 AM We are actually at this point with education that the bottom 10% hurt the other 90%. If that 10%, truly in my case 5%, knew they could be in actual trouble for the stuff they pull it would likely stop. I had a black kid who repeatedly used the N word in class to refer to other students, and it took me writing him up multiple times to even get a detention. Once he got a week of detentions it stopped. Every time he used the word the other students would lose focus and it would detail the the lesson for several minutes.
All_Pro_Bills Posted Tuesday at 11:59 AM Posted Tuesday at 11:59 AM (edited) 17 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: We are actually at this point with education that the bottom 10% hurt the other 90%. If that 10%, truly in my case 5%, knew they could be in actual trouble for the stuff they pull it would likely stop. I had a black kid who repeatedly used the N word in class to refer to other students, and it took me writing him up multiple times to even get a detention. Once he got a week of detentions it stopped. Every time he used the word the other students would lose focus and it would detail the the lesson for several minutes. What I'd like explained is the thought process at work with teachers that need to deal with disruptive students in the classroom without any support from school administrators that generally support liberal causes that discourage and prohibit the imposition of any negative consequences on distracting and bad behavior? Is it simply go along just to get along because any teacher daring to deal with discipline problems will be punished by the district and the other teachers and the union don't have the stones or will to back them up? Edited Tuesday at 11:59 AM by All_Pro_Bills
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