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[JDHillFan]

Apparently immigrant families are in less danger under a bridge in El Paso as opposed to a hotel in NYC. 
 

It’s very  possible there is some truth to that. Sad. 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Apparently immigrant families are in less danger under a bridge in El Paso as opposed to a hotel in NYC. 
 

It’s very  possible there is some truth to that. Sad. 

 

Or on their thousands of miles journey from their 3rd world countries to the US.

[JDHillFan]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Or on their thousands of miles journey from their 3rd world countries to the US.

Being sent to one of America’s great metropolis’s where they can commit low-level offenses if they so choose without fear of prosecution or deportation now amounts to human trafficking and putting families in danger.

Why can’t they all just stay under a bridge in Texas?? 

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Being sent to one of America’s great metropolis’s where they can commit low-level offenses if they so choose without fear of prosecution or deportation now amounts to human trafficking and putting families in danger.

Why can’t they all just stay under a bridge in Texas?? 

 

Obviously living under a bridge in El Paso is what they always dreamed of...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

37 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Apparently immigrant families are in less danger under a bridge in El Paso as opposed to a hotel in NYC. 
 

It’s very  possible there is some truth to that. Sad. 

likewise if you want to see a virtue signaling idiot liberal with a deer in Headlights look; ask how we’ve gone overnight from not having an illegal migrant problem to having a human trafficking of migrants problem ?
 

It’s really difficult to have the later without the former no? 

[Orlando Tim]

22 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

A sanctuary city is simply a city that doesn't report suspected illegal immigrants to immigration enforcement.

 

That's really it. Some cities do more with social services and such, some don't; but the main thing is that they don't hold people for immigration enforcement.

So you won't tell on them but you will let them die in the street or be a criminal to survive? To pretend that makes you a nice person is insane.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

So you won't tell on them but you will let them die in the street or be a criminal to survive? To pretend that makes you a nice person is insane.

 

Again the only reason they have a problem with it is because it exposes the disaster this incompetent Admin's border policy has been and the terrible consequences it imposes on places that have to deal with the massive number of illegals.  It was all ***** and giggles when it was border towns/cities in Texas being overrun because, hahah, it's Texas.  Start busting budgets in NYC, Chicago, MV and elsewhere and it's "human trafficking!" and a lot of lip service about how they're not for open borders, while they do nothing about it.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Talked to my friend who has lived in the city for 20+ years, has an office downtown.  He’s always loved the city (he grew up in the burbs), and suggested that absent family, he’d move from Chicago and never look back.  Sirens are a regularity. Car jacking, mugging, violent crime off the charts.  
 

What a sad thing to hear.  

[ChiGoose]

6 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

So you won't tell on them but you will let them die in the street or be a criminal to survive? To pretend that makes you a nice person is insane.

 

WTF are you talking about?

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

WTF are you talking about?

You tried to redefine the word sanctuary and then pretend allowing people to die is actually kind, what confuses you?

[ChiGoose]

18 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

You tried to redefine the word sanctuary and then pretend allowing people to die is actually kind, what confuses you?

I defined sanctuary city as it is actually defined and expressed my opposition for allowing people to die. 
 

Being on this board makes me wonder if being unable to read leads to conservatism or vice versa. But in any case, it is reassuring to see that pride of ignorance appears to be a staple of people who disagree with me. 

Edited October 15, 2023 by ChiGoose

[Doc]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I defined sanctuary city as it is actually defined and expressed my opposition for allowing people to die. 
 

Being on this board makes me wonder if being unable to read leads to conservatism or vice versa. But in any case, it is reassuring to see that pride of ignorance appears to be a staple of people who disagree with me. 

 

LOL!  Yet you make up a definition, or more precisely parrot the definition from Dem talking points, of "human trafficking."

 

And don't make me laugh with the 2nd paragraph.  You're as ignorant as they come.  Which is how they want you.

[Orlando Tim]

10 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I defined sanctuary city as it is actually defined and expressed my opposition for allowing people to die. 
 

Being on this board makes me wonder if being unable to read leads to conservatism or vice versa. But in any case, it is reassuring to see that pride of ignorance appears to be a staple of people who disagree with me. 

You defined a word that has a passing relation to the actual definition of a sanctuary, and is not what is actually happening in these cities. Pretending that I don't understand is funny, especially when Buffalo stated a few years back they are not a sanctuary city but will not work the federal government. 

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/government-and-politics/election-2021-issues-should-buffalo-be-a-sanctuary-city-walton-brown-disagree/article_7b0bd85e-22c8-11ec-b108-b3eb22fedada.html

 

Main quote I found: But Brown says there's no need for Buffalo to become a sanctuary city, given that city police already have a policy of not working with federal agencies 

[ChiGoose]

15 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

You defined a word that has a passing relation to the actual definition of a sanctuary, and is not what is actually happening in these cities. Pretending that I don't understand is funny, especially when Buffalo stated a few years back they are not a sanctuary city but will not work the federal government. 

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/government-and-politics/election-2021-issues-should-buffalo-be-a-sanctuary-city-walton-brown-disagree/article_7b0bd85e-22c8-11ec-b108-b3eb22fedada.html

 

Main quote I found: But Brown says there's no need for Buffalo to become a sanctuary city, given that city police already have a policy of not working with federal agencies 

I just used the actual meaning of the words. Sorry if that’s a problem for you for some reason. 

Dictionary.com

 

noun

a city in which the local government and police protect undocumented immigrants and refugees from deportation by federal authorities: sanctuary cities where law enforcement cannot question crime suspects about their immigration status.
 

Merriam-Webster

 

“relating to or being a locality that provides limited cooperation to federal officials in the enforcement of immigration laws or policies”

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I just used the actual meaning of the words. Sorry if that’s a problem for you for some reason. 

Dictionary.com

 

noun

a city in which the local government and police protect undocumented immigrants and refugees from deportation by federal authorities: sanctuary cities where law enforcement cannot question crime suspects about their immigration status.
 

Merriam-Webster

 

“relating to or being a locality that provides limited cooperation to federal officials in the enforcement of immigration laws or policies”

 

Yeah, sending them to places that won't deport them is terrible.  Much less American cities, which are infinitely better than the places from which they are seeking "asylum."

 

Meanwhile, here is the definition of "human trafficking:"

 

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, sending them to places that won't deport them is terrible.  Much less American cities, which are infinitely better than the places from which they are seeking "asylum."

 

Meanwhile, here is the definition of "human trafficking:"

 

Your continued insistence on completely missing the point is remarkable. 
 

Also, seems like fraudulently inducing people to cross state lines for your personal political benefit might fit that definition there, buddy. 

[BillsFanNC]

It deserves repeating....

 

Say what you want about Billsfuk.c, Tibs et al.....

 

At least they don't pretend to be anything other than what they are.

 

The King, JFR and others?

 

ummmm...not so much.

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Your continued insistence on completely missing the point is remarkable. 
 

Also, seems like fraudulently inducing people to cross state lines for your personal political benefit might fit that definition there, buddy. 

 

No, the real point is that the so-called "stunt" of sending illegals to sanctuary cities has shown the US how terrible, if not criminal, Joke's open border policy is.  If big cities, much less who won't deport illegals, can't handle the massive influx...

 

And there's no evidence of fraud.  Otherwise a lawsuit would have been filed well before now.  And even still, it's not trafficking.  And they're still far better off than in their countries from which they were fearing death every second of the day.  Sorry.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Doc

[ChiGoose]

13 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No, the real point is that the so-called "stunt" of sending illegals to sanctuary cities has shown the US how terrible, if not criminal, Joke's open border policy is.  If big cities, much less who won't deport illegals, can't handle the massive influx...

 

And there's no evidence of fraud.  Otherwise a lawsuit would have been filed well before now.  And even still, it's not trafficking.  And they're still far better off than in their countries from which they were fearing death every second of the day.  Sorry.

Love that you believe the open borders nonsense. It’s the dumbest lie for the dumbest people and you have bitten hook line and sinker. 
 

Add in that most of the influx of people are asylum seekers, which makes them legal, not illegal, and it just adds to your ignorance. 
 

And so you take all of this idiocy that you believe and use it to justify treating vulnerable people like ***** because it makes you feel good. 
 

That’s a lot of justification to avoid recognizing that you’re the bad guy. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by ChiGoose

[OrangeBills]

On 10/14/2023 at 12:35 AM, ChiGoose said:

Shipping vulnerable people across the country as part of a game to score political points is bad.
 

That shouldn’t be a controversial opinion. 

 

So dumb.  

 

Yeah, they should ALL just sit in the same neighborhoods in our Southern border states forever...

 

The Federal Gov't, which theoretically manages the border, has no responsibility for managing the outcomes of their failures, I guess.

 

(Democrat policies)

[Orlando Tim]

7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Love that you believe the open borders nonsense. It’s the dumbest lie for the dumbest people and you have bitten hook line and sinker. 
 

Add in that most of the influx of people are asylum seekers, which makes them legal, not illegal, and it just adds to your ignorance. 
 

And so you take all of this idiocy that you believe and use it to justify treating vulnerable people like ***** because it makes you feel good. 
 

That’s a lot of justification to avoid recognizing that you’re the bad guy. 

Please apply the disparaging remarks back at yourself if you think these young men are mostly asylum seekers. Asylum seekers have a strict standard which does not apply to people who just want a better life:

 

 

Able to demonstrate that you were persecuted or have a fear of persecution in your home country due to your:

Race

Religion

Nationality

Social group

Political opinion

Learn the process of seeking

 

This is not even considering fact asylum seekers should remain in first safe place they can, therefore everyone crossing multiple countries should stop before the US unless you think all the non white countries are not safe 

[Doc]

7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Love that you believe the open borders nonsense. It’s the dumbest lie for the dumbest people and you have bitten hook line and sinker. 
 

Add in that most of the influx of people are asylum seekers, which makes them legal, not illegal, and it just adds to your ignorance. 
 

And so you take all of this idiocy that you believe and use it to justify treating vulnerable people like ***** because it makes you feel good. 
 

That’s a lot of justification to avoid recognizing that you’re the bad guy. 

 

Everyone and their mother knows to claim "asylum" when they come to the border so they can get in.  Only idiots actually believe it.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

. In fiscal year 2022, about 46% of people were granted asylum1. In fiscal year 2020, the overall grant rate for all asylum cases closed was 19.12%, but if only grants and denials were considered, the asylum grant rate would be 26%2. In fiscal year 2018, asylum was granted in 16% of cases that originated from a credible fear claim3. In FY 2020, asylum was granted just 26.3% of the time

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/247064/individuals-granted-asylum-in-the-us-by-country-of-nationality/

 

https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/judgereports/

 

the USA asylum grant rate is low with much larger percentage being denied.  even in sanctuary cities.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[ChiGoose]

I find it interesting that so many people believe that Dems want open borders while the GOP wants to solve the border crisis.

 

Both are lies. 

[Tommy Callahan]

10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Both are lies.

but they together make a false Dilemma, False Dichotomy, false Binary.  IE, Propaganda

 

 

 

A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy or false binary, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. The source of the fallacy lies not in an invalid form of inference but in a false premise. This premise has the form of a disjunctive claim: it asserts that one among a number of alternatives must be true. This disjunction is problematic because it oversimplifies the choice by excluding viable alternatives, presenting the viewer with only two absolute choices when in fact, there could be many.

 

False dilemma - Wikipedia

 

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[BillsFanNC]

1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

Good. Electing communists has consequences.  It's going to get much, much worse.

[Tommy Callahan]

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

 

It's an absolute mystery how the orange dude can be polling historically high among black and latino voters...

 

I just can't put my finger on it!

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

 

Bail reform.  Smh 

[Doc]

That's fine.  Just make sure they stay in Chicago.

[B-Man]

 

 

Chicago sings blue-model blues

Mayor Rahm Emanuel desperately seeks a way out of the government union trap.

Glenn Harlan Reynolds  |  USA TODAY

 

Around the nation, this year, you can see two phenomena at work: One is the collapse of what Walter Russell Mead calls the “Blue Model” of government, one based on unions, racial/ethnic politics, high regulation and high taxes. The other is the steadily more desperate efforts of Blue Model politicians to keep kicking the can down the road.

 

For starters, look at Rahm Emanuel’s Chicago. Rahm Emanuel, a major inner-circle supporter of both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, is not a stupid man. Nonetheless, he’s finding it harder and harder to hold things together.

 

Right now, Emanuel is facing problems over the police shooting of Laquan McDonald. Video makes it pretty clear that the shooting wasn’t justified, but the city withheld the video until, conveniently enough, after Emanuel had won a sharply-contested election. McDonald’s family received a $5 million settlement (which some have characterized as hush money) and emails obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times last week show that city officials were more interested in managing the news than in getting to the bottom of what happened. Meanwhile, Chicago faces other problems, including a secret jail where prisoners were kept from their lawyers, numerous other instances of police misconduct and racial discrimination and a sinking school system.

 

As Mead, a professor of foreign affairs and the humanities at Bard College, notes, this poses problems for Chicago in more than one way. First, the economic recovery that Chicago and other major cities have experienced in the past couple of decades is likely due at least in part to more aggressive policing that brought crime rates way down. But aggressive policing means more confrontations between police and citizens, which means more chances for violence.

 

Plus, as in most large, Democratic cities, the police and other city workers are unionized and, effectively, almost impossible to fire. As Mead notes, “There is a harsh conflict of interest between the city’s employees and the city’s voters. ... It is in the interests of public sector unions to shelter employees from oversight and threats to their job security, regardless of how well they perform.”

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/01/03/chicago-rahm-emanuel-blue-cities-reform-puerto-rico-bankruptcy-bailout-column/78228678/

 

 

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