Doc Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Congrats young lady! Also - why do republicans insist on marginalizing womxn?? Probably for the same reason they support Muslims, despite their treatment of women and LBGTQ+...oh, wait a minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westside Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, B-Man said: It's your imagination. University Launches Gay Summer Camp for 11-Year-Olds, Will School Them on 'Health Topics' https://redstate.com/alexparker/2023/06/13/university-launches-gay-summer-camp-for-11-year-olds-will-school-them-on-health-topics-n759830 . Totally normal right? 🤮 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: It's your imagination. University Launches Gay Summer Camp for 11-Year-Olds, Will School Them on 'Health Topics' https://redstate.com/alexparker/2023/06/13/university-launches-gay-summer-camp-for-11-year-olds-will-school-them-on-health-topics-n759830 . So clicking through, I see: - Parents are CHOOSING to send their kids to this camp. - No one is FORCING parents to send their kids to this camp. Would I have wanted to send my kids to this camp? No. But then again, I didn't have kids in this situation. At one point does someone else get to override parents' rights to determine what kind of camp they want to send their kids to? I mean, isn't the whole thing here about asserting the rights of parents against governmental/public school efforts to expose them to something their parents object to? So I guess it's ok to override the will of the parents when it conflicts with the opinions of the majority of the society? So if the majority of the society thinks all kids should be vaccinated against COVID, apparently the parents should have no right to override this? So now you see why someone outside the right-wing echo chamber may start to doubt your motivations, and to question whether you are really about parental choice or whether it's about something else entirely. Edited June 13, 2023 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: So clicking through, I see: - Parents are CHOOSING to send their kids to this camp. - No one is FORCING parents to send their kids to this camp. Would I have wanted to send my kids to this camp? No. But then again, I didn't have kids in this situation. At one point does someone else get to override parents' rights to determine what kind of camp they want to send their kids to? I mean, isn't the whole thing here about asserting the rights of parents against governmental/public school efforts to expose them to something their parents object to? Hells yeah. Child Mariage in Utah, Kosher Cosmetic surgeries for children cause parents say OK, Kosher Tats for kids if parent support? Lots of laws on the books to protect children from things adults can do. for good reason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Hells yeah. Child Mariage in Utah, Kosher Cosmetic surgeries for children cause parents say OK, Kosher Tats for kids if parent support? Lots of laws on the books to protect children from things adults can do. for good reason It’s like these people were born yesterday…😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Hells yeah. Child Mariage in Utah, Kosher Cosmetic surgeries for children cause parents say OK, Kosher Tats for kids if parent support? Lots of laws on the books to protect children from things adults can do. for good reason So please answer: A. Parents of 13 year old pregnant girl support her decision to have an abortion. State of Mississippi says we can't let you do that. Do you agree with the parents or with Mississippi? B. Parents of ultra-orthodox Jewish girl want to take her out of NYS school requirements and to put her into their own system where she will be taught traditional housewife skills and not English/Math/Science/Social Studies. New York State officials object. Who do you support? C. Parents of 15 year old boy want to send him to Christian Summer Camp where he will be taught, among other things, that homosexuality is a grave sin and that the Bible authorized severe punishment up to and including death. Boy says he is gay and does not want to attend. Who do you support? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: So please answer: A. Parents of 13 year old pregnant girl support her decision to have an abortion. State of Mississippi says we can't let you do that. Do you agree with the parents or with Mississippi? B. Parents of ultra-orthodox Jewish girl want to take her out of NYS school requirements and to put her into their own system where she will be taught traditional housewife skills and not English/Math/Science/Social Studies. New York State officials object. Who do you support? C. Parents of 15 year old boy want to send him to Christian Summer Camp where he will be taught, among other things, that homosexuality is a grave sin and that the Bible authorized severe punishment up to and including death. Boy says he is gay and does not want to attend. Who do you support? I avoid strawmen as there is No answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I avoid strawmen as there is No answer. Well at least this one should be right up your alley: D. You are appalled by the creation of "LGBTQ+ Summer Camps" for kids. You do not believe parents should have the right to send their LGBTQ+-identifying children to such camps, even if both parents want to do so; therefore, you would be in favor of a Wisconsin state law banning such camps. In California, some parents of LGBTQ+-identifying children wish to enroll those kids in "conversion therapy." California has sought to ban this. Is California justified in seeking to override the choice of the child's parents? If not, then why would Wisconsin be justified in banning LGBTQ+ Summer Camps? Extra credit: explain your limiting principle for when State intervention in the parents' decision on how to raise their child is warranted and when it is not. Edited June 13, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well at least this one should be right up your alley: D. You are appalled by the creation of "LGBTQ+ Summer Camps" for kids. You do not believe parents should have the right to send their LGBTQ+-identifying children to such camps, even if both parents want to do so; therefore, you would be in favor of a Wisconsin state law banning such camps. In California, some parents of LGBTQ+-identifying children wish to enroll those kids in "conversion therapy." California has sought to ban this. Is California justified in seeking to override the choice of the child's parents? If not, then why would Wisconsin be justified in banning LGBTQ+ Summer Camps? Extra credit: explain your limiting principle for when State intervention in the parents' decision on how to raise their child is warranted and when it is not. And that's exactly why one does not reply to a strawman in any debate forum. Anything to demonize who you dont agree with. amirite. like creating some false narrative in your head. like the false dichotomy you posted Edited June 13, 2023 by Chris farley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 36 minutes ago, Chris farley said: And that's exactly why one does not reply to a strawman in any debate forum. Anything to demonize who you dont agree with. amirite. like creating some false narrative in your head. like the false dichotomy you posted Here's what I'm trying to get you to think about. Stop resisting; I think you can do it. There's two things going on in this thread. - There's disgust, and perhaps a little eye-rolling fun, about various things that are thought to be gross excesses of the LGBTQ acceptance movement. That's o.k. People are allowed some of that. I don't particularly like when it's mean-spirited, but making fun of going topless at the White House is fair game. So are a lot of other things here. - There's also a bleed-over into law and politics. That's where you should be ready to have a reasoned discussion. If you honor the rights of parents to decide what's best for their children, then be ready to argue when and why the government should be allowed to override parental choices for their children. If you ask me the same kinds of questions I asked you, I will be happy to give a reasoned response, based on some kind of moral philosophy and grounded in U.S. constitutional law. So if you're doing "disgust" or "making fun of excess," well, just say that. But I'm seeing disgust turning into proposed legislation all over the place. And that's when we should have a fair fight. That's the American tradition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: There's also a bleed-over into law and politics. That's where you should be ready to have a reasoned discussion. If you honor the rights of parents to decide what's best for their children, then be ready to argue when and why the government should be allowed to override parental choices for their children. Like legal age for consent? Drinking? Driving a vehicle? Lawn Darts? Tats? Club or bars after a certain hour? Cosmetic genital mutilation? Pornography Lots of things have age restrictions and they don't seem to be highly debated like sexualized drag shows, lifetime medications, or life altering "Cosmetic" surgeries. Didn't seem that long ago that most were disgusted by creatures like the Kardashians going to other countries to get their kids cosmetic surgeries.. Edited June 13, 2023 by Chris farley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Like legal age for consent? Drinking? Driving a vehicle? Lawn Darts? Tats? Club or bars after a certain hour? Cosmetic genital mutilation? Pornography Lots of things have age restrictions and they don't seem to be highly debated like sexualized drag shows, lifetime medications, or life altering "Cosmetic" surgeries. Didn't seem that long ago that most were disgusted by creatures like the Kardashians going to other countries to get their kids cosmetic surgeries.. Well, this is a list of things that disgust you. Which ones should be available to children with parental consent, and at what age? And if certain things (you mention pornography) shouldn't be available to children below a certain age, what efforts should the state make to ensure that? Should everyone have to register with a website, showing ID, authorizing a search of your credit history? These are good and important questions. Again ... think! Don't just do the old man sideways wave of disgust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well, this is a list of things that disgust you. Which ones should be available to children with parental consent, and at what age? And if certain things (you mention pornography) shouldn't be available to children below a certain age, what efforts should the state make to ensure that? Should everyone have to register with a website, showing ID, authorizing a search of your credit history? These are good and important questions. Again ... think! Don't just do the old man sideways wave of disgust. Its a list of things that have laws in place to protect children. Many more things are and can be included And at no time means it disgust me or is me waving side ways. Thats like if I called out the fact you keep posting strawman after strawman in an attempt to get a reply. pretty sure thats called trolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Its a list of things that have laws in place to protect children. Many more things are and can be included And at no time means it disgust me or is me waving side ways. Thats like if I called out the fact you keep posting strawman after strawman in an attempt to get a reply. pretty sure thats called trolling. [At this point, The Frankish Reich suddenly realizes he has been attempting to engage in a rational discussion with "Chris Farley," remembers who Chris Farley was, realizes why poster has chosen such name, and aborts further attempts] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: [At this point, The Frankish Reich suddenly realizes he has been attempting to engage in a rational discussion with "Chris Farley," remembers who Chris Farley was, realizes why poster has chosen such name, and aborts further attempts] LOL, Like I said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 All right!! Coming soon to a California near you… If you do not affirm a child’s whims on gender, the state is taking your kid! https://californiaglobe.com/articles/under-new-california-bill-parents-would-be-charged-with-child-abuse-for-not-affirming-transgenderism/amp/ also didn’t realize the effort they were putting behind decriminalizing pedos. solid work, just solid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Yep , goes hand in hand. Or maybe more like gland in hand ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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