Transsurrection in TN, MT, TX, IA: All the documented events that aren't happening.

[ChiGoose]

15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Lol lol.  
 

Yes it is.  And you’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise.  
 

I’m not saying that like it’s a good thing. 
 

I’m saying…..that it’s a fact it is.  And liberalism makes it all gloriously possible.  
 

Libs want the Federal Government in EVERYTHING and then suddenly play libertarians when it comes to discussing abortion.  
 

Or now, transism.  
 

 

 

It is freaking hilarious.  So no, that wasn’t a strawman argument.  It’s illustrative of the massive hypocrisy that is the Left.  

I can’t tell if you’re drunk, high, or dumb as hell. Do you have a coherent argument to make or are you just yelling into the void?

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Well this is a strawman right out of nowhere. 
 

I believe what I have stated multiple times here: doctors should be able to provide the accepted standard of care with informed consent (parental or guardian consent for minors) without risking being charged with a crime by the government. 
 

I do not believe we need the government in the doctor’s room. 

So the doctor’s abuses of the US gymnastics teams should have been handled how exactly? Seems like there are times when the government agencies have to get involved. No? 

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So the doctor’s abuses of the US gymnastics teams should have been handled how exactly? Seems like there are times when the government agencies have to get involved. No? 

Of course. When doctors stray from the accepted standard of care, they should face consequences.

 

A lot of the panic around gender affirming care is based on scaremongering either ignorance of what care actually is, or holding out violations of accepted care as the standard as opposed to the exception. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Of course. When doctors stray from the accepted standard of care, they should face consequences.

 

A lot of the panic around gender affirming care is based on scaremongering either ignorance of what care actually is, or holding out violations of accepted care as the standard as opposed to the exception. 

The issue is whether a Doctor or School Advisor might be going rogue and enticing under age ‘patients’ to seek treatment without parental consent. When this becomes a habit of care, it could be opined that a governmental agency needs to step in. At that point it seems it should not be left to a single child’s parents…again, no? 

[aristocrat]

6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Of course. When doctors stray from the accepted standard of care, they should face consequences.

 

A lot of the panic around gender affirming care is based on scaremongering either ignorance of what care actually is, or holding out violations of accepted care as the standard as opposed to the exception. 

What are your standards of care exactly? Be specific 

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The issue is whether a Doctor or School Advisor might be going rogue and enticing under age ‘patients’ to seek treatment without parental consent. When this becomes a habit of care, it could be opined that a governmental agency needs to step in. At that point it seems it should not be left to a single child’s parents…again, no? 

I think that the barrier for a minor to receive medical treatment without parental consent should be high, but surmountable via a mechanism such as court action. 
 

If a 16 year old requires a blood transfusion to survive but their parents opposed it due to personal beliefs, should we let that child die? I would hope not. 
 

However, to override the lack of parental consent, there should be a process and a significant burden that needs to be overcome.

 

Any medical professional who preys on minors should be punished. Any medical professional who does things not within the accepted standards of care should be punished. 

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

What are your standards of care exactly? Be specific 

It’s not my standard of care. I’m not a doctor and I don’t set policy. It’s the standard of care agreed upon by the medical community. 
 

You can read more about it here: https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/what-gender-affirming-care-your-questions-answered

[BillsFanNC]

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So does this horseshit qualify under the "standard of care" commies?

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Orlando Tim]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Well this is a strawman right out of nowhere. 
 

I believe what I have stated multiple times here: doctors should be able to provide the accepted standard of care with informed consent (parental or guardian consent for minors) without risking being charged with a crime by the government. 
 

I do not believe we need the government in the doctor’s room. 

It is not a strawman, but your response says it all, if an "expert" says ok then let the kid do it. 

[OrangeBills]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

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So does this horseshit qualify under the "standard of care" commies?

 

 

 

This is the greatest/latest example that Totalitarianism erupts from the Left, not the Right.  State takes control of your children.  This would never come from the Rightists, only the Leftists.

[ChiGoose]

53 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

It is not a strawman, but your response says it all, if an "expert" says ok then let the kid do it. 

Not “an expert.” The accepted practice of the medical community as a whole. 
 

I’m not saying we should go with whatever a single doctor says. I’m saying that if the AMA, APA, AAP, and all of the major medical organizations agree on a standard of care, the government shouldn’t criminalize it. 

[Orlando Tim]

18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Not “an expert.” The accepted practice of the medical community as a whole. 
 

I’m not saying we should go with whatever a single doctor says. I’m saying that if the AMA, APA, AAP, and all of the major medical organizations agree on a standard of care, the government shouldn’t criminalize it. 

Since there is no agreement on most mental health issues, to which organization do you defer your responsibility to? 

[ChiGoose]

19 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Since there is no agreement on most mental health issues, to which organization do you defer your responsibility to? 

Its not deferring responsibility, it’s understanding the accepted standards of the professional community. 
 

Some of the orgs are literally in the post you quoted. 

[JaCrispy]

11 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Well this is a strawman right out of nowhere. 
 

I believe what I have stated multiple times here: doctors should be able to provide the accepted standard of care with informed consent (parental or guardian consent for minors) without risking being charged with a crime by the government. 
 

I do not believe we need the government in the doctor’s room. 

What if parents do NOT consent?

 

Should the parents be punished?

Should the child be removed from the home?

 

Because that’s what is happening in Canada and what they will soon be pushing for in America…

 

Remember, the goal of this movement coincides with removing parental authority, over a child, completely, because Marxists believe the State owns the children…

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by JaCrispy

[BillsFanNC]

50 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

What if parents do NOT consent?

 

Should the parents be punished?

Should the child be removed from the home?

 

Because that’s what is happening in Canada and what they will soon be pushing for in America…

 

Remember, the goal of this movement coincides with removing parental authority, over a child, completely, because Marxists believe the State owns the children…

 

 

 

 

Already happened here.

 

 

[JaCrispy]

African leader tells how Kamala Harris went to Africa, and tried pushing the Trans agenda on them by offering $60 million…
 

Make no mistake, that is the #1 thing this government is concerned with around the world…The question persists- WHY is it so important to our government to “Trans” people? It seems such an odd thing, when there are so many  problems that could be helped with that money…

 

 

[BillStime]

5 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

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So does this horseshit qualify under the "standard of care" commies?

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

What if parents do NOT consent?

 

Should the parents be punished?

Should the child be removed from the home?

 

Because that’s what is happening in Canada and what they will soon be pushing for in America…

 

Remember, the goal of this movement coincides with removing parental authority, over a child, completely, because Marxists believe the State owns the children…

 

 

While it should be possible for a minor to override parental consent in some cases, the burden for doing so should be very high.

 

Also, this whole “anyone I disagree with is a commie / Marxist / fascist” crap is childish and unserious. It says more about the poster than whoever they are talking about.

[JaCrispy]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

Already happened here.

 

 

Well, I guess this destroys @ChiGoosearguement of “as long as parents or guardians consent”.

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Well, I guess this destroys @ChiGoosearguement of “as long as parents or guardians consent”.

 

Something tells me the law won't cover children seeking cis gender affirming care to get breast implants at 13 without parental consent.