Giants Re-Sign Hodgins

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I think the special teams specialists is a bigger issue. They act like it's making the difference out there and waste more than a few spots on it. 

 

I had more than one discussion on Hodgins or Kumerow.  I said Hodgins should make the 53.  Many took the Kumerow side and

then he ended up on IR.  When Hodgins was called up and then waived, I wasn't a fan.

I do believe that Hodgins would have stayed on the 53 if it wasn't for all the DB/DL injuries and the ST considerations.

 

FWIW, I don't mind a couple of ST only aces, I'm just not a fan of 4-5.

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Buftex said:

He had a great playoff run in 2020 as well.  

 

Are you possibly thinking of another player? This was Gabe’s 2020 playoffs:

 

vs Ind: 4 rec

vs Bal: 0 rec

@ KC: 0 rec

[Buftex]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Are you possibly thinking of another player? This was Gabe’s 2020 playoffs:

 

vs Ind: 4 rec

vs Bal: 0 rec

@ KC: 0 rec

A case of quality over quantity.  Those 4 catches against Indianapolis were clutch... for all of his problems this year, he has an uncanny knack for making those sideline grabs, and keeping his feet in bounds.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Buftex

[Trogdor]

22 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I had more than one discussion on Hodgins or Kumerow.  I said Hodgins should make the 53.  Many took the Kumerow side and

then he ended up on IR.  When Hodgins was called up and then waived, I wasn't a fan.

I do believe that Hodgins would have stayed on the 53 if it wasn't for all the DB/DL injuries and the ST considerations.

 

FWIW, I don't mind a couple of ST only aces, I'm just not a fan of 4-5.

I feel like 1 good gunner. Matakevich is the only guy I ever see making plays. 

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I feel like 1 good gunner. Matakevich is the only guy I ever see making plays. 

 

It will be interesting to see if a team goes after "Dirty Red" with a $3M contract or not.

Being over 30 he may find his worth is ST only for a bit over vet minimum.

Jones, Kumerow and maybe Neal all could be gone.  If that happens re-signing Matakevich for around $2M would be worth it for me.

[T master]

4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

McKenzie and Crowder were the perceived answer at slot receiver last year and now it looks like having Shakir and Hodgins

would have been the better choice going into this season.  I'm not a McKenzie "hater" but I think we all have seen his ceiling.

 

And Hodgins would have been cheaper for the team than either of those 2 & been here longer for less . 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3 hours ago, T master said:

 

And Hodgins would have been cheaper for the team than either of those 2 & been here longer for less . 

Isaiah Hodgins is the most over rated player on this MB right now. He couldn’t beat out Jake Kumerow. If he was on the roster, right now, he’s behind Davis, McKenzie, Crowder and Shakir. 

Seriously, y’all are whining over a guy who had 37 catches last year and is now on a one year deal. When the other WRs are healthy on the Giants he won’t see the field because he can’t block and doesn’t play special teams. 

[John from Riverside]

28 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Isaiah Hodgins is the most over rated player on this MB right now. He couldn’t beat out Jake Kumerow. If he was on the roster, right now, he’s behind Davis, McKenzie, Crowder and Shakir. 

Seriously, y’all are whining over a guy who had 37 catches last year and is now on a one year deal. When the other WRs are healthy on the Giants he won’t see the field because he can’t block and doesn’t play special teams. 

I think we’re gonna find out where that’s true or not this year. He is on a team that is going to use him immediately.

 

Whenever he was with us, even when he survived the cuts, there were weeks whenever he was inactive and went back-and-forth to our practice squad. You have to be on the field in order to make plays

 

I think he’s going to end up being a solid player for the Giants. We should all be happy for him. He’s in the NFC so no threat to us.

[chongli]

 

 

[John from Riverside]

In that picture, it looks like Hodgens is put on some muscle. He continue to work on his craft and waited for his chance. Good for him
 

I was a proponent of keeping Isaiah Hodgins, and letting Kumerow go, even though Kumarow was the better special teams player

 

Oh well nothing we can do about that now. Time to move on and find the next Hodgins.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think we’re gonna find out where that’s true or not this year. He is on a team that is going to use him immediately.

 

Whenever he was with us, even when he survived the cuts, there were weeks whenever he was inactive and went back-and-forth to our practice squad. You have to be on the field in order to make plays

 

I think he’s going to end up being a solid player for the Giants. We should all be happy for him. He’s in the NFC so no threat to us.

It’s just crazy to me people care this much about a guy who, odds are, would be no where near the starting lineup on this team since he seems the best to be outside.

 

He likely may not even make the 2023 roster here… 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

It’s just crazy to me people care this much about a guy who, odds are, would be no where near the starting lineup on this team since he seems the best to be outside.

 

He likely may not even make the 2023 roster here… 

I’m not positive about that they weren’t putting an over reliance onto shikur and polled Beasley out of mothballs to play the slot position I think he would’ve eventually gotten his chance

 

It’s spilt milk now he found a good situation with the Giants. Their head coach knew how good he was picked him up as soon as we dropped him

[T master]

13 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Isaiah Hodgins is the most over rated player on this MB right now. He couldn’t beat out Jake Kumerow. If he was on the roster, right now, he’s behind Davis, McKenzie, Crowder and Shakir. 

Seriously, y’all are whining over a guy who had 37 catches last year and is now on a one year deal. When the other WRs are healthy on the Giants he won’t see the field because he can’t block and doesn’t play special teams. 

 

Because Jake was a ST's player & Hodgins wasn't and if he was on the roster he would beat out Mckenzie pretty easy & Crowder was hurt so he would have had more of a chance like he did with the Giants to prove his worth .

 

I'm no whining about anything just saying with being over the cap & in need of more WR weapons for Josh Hodgins given his production this season would have been better than paying a higher contract to Mckenzie & for that matter Crowder because they didn't get any return on that money .

 

Then there is the fact that the Chiefs utilizing their younger talent more showed most people that its not a bad decision to plug in some younger players that cost less money and can learn to play ST's & block if put in games to better learn those types of things plus is bigger to be more able to block than someone much smaller .

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

Because Jake was a ST's player & Hodgins wasn't and if he was on the roster he would beat out Mckenzie pretty easy & Crowder was hurt so he would have had more of a chance like he did with the Giants to prove his worth .

 

I'm no whining about anything just saying with being over the cap & in need of more WR weapons for Josh Hodgins given his production this season would have been better than paying a higher contract to Mckenzie & for that matter Crowder because they didn't get any return on that money .

 

Then there is the fact that the Chiefs utilizing their younger talent more showed most people that its not a bad decision to plug in some younger players that cost less money and can learn to play ST's & block if put in games to better learn those types of things plus is bigger to be more able to block than someone much smaller .

He was on the roster the same time as McKenzie, not only did he not beat him out “easily,” he didn’t beat him out at all. 

[BananaB]

Good for him. McD has a problem putting young inexperienced players on the field and this one could come back to haunt us. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He was on the roster the same time as McKenzie, not only did he not beat him out “easily,” he didn’t beat him out at all. 

 

It's not about McKenzie with me it was about Jake Kumerow.  Kumerow beat out Hodgins for a spot because of ST.

As to who is the better WR all I can do (other than using my eyes) is show the results.

 

In 3 years with the Bills Kumerow has amassed 114 yards on 7 catches on 14 targets and 1 TD.  A 50% catch rate.  225 offensive snaps.

Hodgins (in less than a season) with NYG has 351 yards on 33 catches on 42 targets and 4 TDs.  A 79% catch rate.  417 offensive snaps.

 

IMO Hodgins can be a competent WR5 while I put Kumerow as a PS player.

[T master]

22 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He was on the roster the same time as McKenzie, not only did he not beat him out “easily,” he didn’t beat him out at all. 

 

Yes he was but who was first on the roster Mckenzie & he had more on field time so he was first to go in Hodgins was brought up due to a injury but in the game plan was a after thought what i am saying is if he was a regular on the 53 then he would have had a better chance of proving his worth as he did in NY .

 

You can't beat out another player when your on the side lines active but not used in the scheme & the New OC is focusing on who is on his usual active roster . 

 

Then you take into the situation that they signed John Brown & Cole instead of giving him a shot then that puts him even further down which that could have been his chance to once again to show his worth .

 

The Bills say they want some bigger WR & he was drafted because of his slot play in college & this year that spot is wide open & they had one but didn't use him if for nothing else to see what he could do & now he's gone .

Edited February 21, 2023 by T master