Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The GOP has to keep ignoring Ron DeSantis because he's a threat to Trump. If they embrace him, Trump will go nuclear on the GOP. DeSantis' politics are the carefully polished, broadly palatable version of MAGA that the GOP needs to sweep national elections. But they don't dare use DeSantis because elevating him means DeSantis vs. Trump in a fight to the finish. Fox News looks like they're jumping hard on the DeSantis train following last night. Fox has been trying in little bursts to push DeSantis but they keep getting scared off. They still are. Can't piss off the viewers and go after Trump too much. A day here or there. A segment or two. But they always come back to Papa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Well, alternatively, we know how to run safe and effective elections without restricting the franchise unnecessarily, so we could just go that and try to make sure the voice of the people is truly heard. That is, unless (as you seem to imply), the real goal is that only the right people should vote. No simply stating that people cheat when given the opportunity so why not close those loopholes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: Fox has been trying in little bursts to push DeSantis but they keep getting scared off. They still are. Can't piss off the viewers and go after Trump too much. A day here or there. A segment or two. But they always come back to Papa. They even have to say what He wants them to say. Trump literally controls what’s spoken on Fox. They are terrified of him. Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: No simply stating that people cheat when given the opportunity so why not close those loopholes? Except there is no evidence for widespread fraud in any election. You also seem to be making the incorrect assumption that there is no verification system in place for elections. Unless you think the only way a person's identity can be verified is through photo ID, which is very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: No simply stating that people cheat when given the opportunity so why not close those loopholes? Who cheated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: One more thing…we also learned that a few of these States need some serious oversight into how long it takes them to process votes. Unacceptable. Thanks It's ridiculous that in a country with almost no voter fraud, we mostly make people show up on a single day every year in person and then expect mostly volunteers to run a flawless process over the course of a day. I worked elections for a few years. Every one gave me a lot of pride in the process but also a little amazement that it all works--so many good people in America. And by the way, we don't NEED to know the results on Wednesday. It's just a "want." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Any rules they try to pass will be "racist" or "voter suppression." Imo, all voting needs to be in person and should include 2 forms of ID. It's not asking much. If you can't get out of bed or don't have an ID then you are not a contributing member of society and you don't get to vote. Simple as that. I think 2 forms is a little much… one form of photo ID and signing the voter rolls should suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: No simply stating that people cheat when given the opportunity so why not close those loopholes? I don't give AF if there's a voter ID law but stop lying. There is 0.0 evidence of widespread voter fraud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sundancer said: I don't give AF if there's a voter ID law but stop lying. There is 0.0 evidence of widespread voter fraud. I think it would depend on what you consider “voter fraud” to be…I’m sure both sides have differing definitions… Edited November 10, 2022 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sundancer said: I don't give AF if there's a voter ID law but stop lying. There is 0.0 evidence of widespread voter fraud. You just said above there is almost no vote fraud. So you are admitting there is voter fraud and then the argument is if there is enough to make a difference. I know for a fact there is voter fraud because I've witnessed someone filling out mail in ballots for other people. And if that happens in front of me by good law abiding citizens then it happens elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: I think it would depend on what you consider “voter fraud” to be… Seems both sides consider voting for someone other than their guy to be voter fraud. There's no actual voter fraud. There was 1 BS impeachment. (The 2nd was valid.) There was a lot of BS lawsuits and electoral slate fraud. And an attempt to get the VP to ignore the will of the people. And House Reps who refused to certify the result. And some other thing encouraged by the sitting POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Why are people so scared of having to vote in person? There is early voting for a week before the election, it's not just 1 night. You have to show ID to buy a beer so you don't think you should show ID to vote? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: You just said above there is almost no vote fraud. So you are admitting there is voter fraud and then the argument is if there is enough to make a difference. I know for a fact there is voter fraud because I've witnessed someone filling out mail in ballots for other people. And if that happens in front of me by good law abiding citizens then it happens elsewhere. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud or any amount of voter fraud that would impact the outcome of an election. Kris Kobach has been a huge advocate of the position you're currently espousing and was put in charge of a taskforce by President Trump to find and prosecute voter fraud across the country. You should go look up how that went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Fox has been trying in little bursts to push DeSantis but they keep getting scared off. They still are. Can't piss off the viewers and go after Trump too much. A day here or there. A segment or two. But they always come back to Papa. Yeah, I've noticed that too. Just kicking the can at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, ChiGoose said: There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud or any amount of voter fraud that would impact the outcome of an election. Kris Kobach has been a huge advocate of the position you're currently espousing and was put in charge of a taskforce by President Trump to find and prosecute voter fraud across the country. You should go look up how that went. I've seen voter fraud with my own eyes. So then the argument is if there is enough to sway an election. The election in Arizona was a difference of 62 votes I believe. You don't think out of thousands of people there aren't 62 people that filled out mail in ballots for other people? ANY voter fraud can sway an election so why not close that loophole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: You just said above there is almost no vote fraud. So you are admitting there is voter fraud and then the argument is if there is enough to make a difference. I know for a fact there is voter fraud because I've witnessed someone filling out mail in ballots for other people. And if that happens in front of me by good law abiding citizens then it happens elsewhere. I didn't want to say there was none. There were fewer than 500 instances of voter fraud out of the 154,600,000 votes cast in 2020. It's not a big problem. Should be prosecuted. Should not happen. But it's a pimple on an elephant's ass that people (mostly righties) conflate into something it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: How so? There was nothing in the original constitution about voting. 15th amendment says you can't deny based on race or skin color. 19th says you can't deny based on sex. Where is the part that says you have to allow mail in voting? Fyi I know multiple people who ballot harvest because they know their family members don't care to vote so they do it for them. So a disabled/bedridden person should not be allowed to vote? 🤦🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Chef Jim said: So a disabled/bedridden person should not be allowed to vote? 🤦🏻♂️ They have handicap buses and prime parking spots for people with disabilities 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: I've seen voter fraud with my own eyes. So then the argument is if there is enough to sway an election. The election in Arizona was a difference of 62 votes I believe. You don't think out of thousands of people there aren't 62 people that filled out mail in ballots for other people? ANY voter fraud can sway an election so why not close that loophole? Even if you were correct, and you're not, the voter ID laws being crafted are not designed to close this loophole. They're designed to make it harder for certain people to vote. You have states that say a hunting license is good but a state-issued school ID is not. You have states that require an ID from the DMV and then close the DMVs in areas with large minority populations. The fraud and voter ID narrative being pushed has nothing to do with actually combating widespread fraud (because it doesn't exist). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: How so? There was nothing in the original constitution about voting. 15th amendment says you can't deny based on race or skin color. 19th says you can't deny based on sex. Where is the part that says you have to allow mail in voting? Fyi I know multiple people who ballot harvest because they know their family members don't care to vote so they do it for them. How many times have you had to testify in court about your widespread exposure to voter fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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