John from Riverside Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Putin said: If it gets us closer to that Lombardi trophy imo do what ever it takes !! Rams agree No F@&$! Kidding !!! I’m sure everyone would be more then ok with any move Bean makes to see that SB parade down town Buffalo THIS YEAR !!! I’ve been waiting for over 30 years and I’m sure some of us even longer !!! Hasn’t been pretty much already done that The von miller signing was a swing away move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: You're damn right I don't want to move on from Edmunds, Oliver or Singletary. Edmunds and Oliver in particular would leave massive holes. Oliver and Singletary particularly. And yet they may have to leave one out next year, already. Possibly even two, though my guess is only one. But we've got no backups for Singletary or Oliver (they don't see Bernard at MLB, I believe) and would have to bring in high-priced FA replacements or use a high pick to switch in and suffer the mistakes a young guy makes. Burns - assuming we could get him, and I know you've already said you're aware they don't want to let him go - amounts to putting ourselves into a situation where we get more and more cap squeeze and have to create more and more holes. Burns would help, but he's not needed. And there are guys who would help but are not needed at every position on the field outside starting QB and Von's position. We're already the #1 defense, a scary group, because they are getting pressure with the front four without having to blitz. If you can get someone who could help for cheap, great. No need to start spending like a sailor. I mostly agree. I just don’t value draft picks as high as you might. I would give a first for Burns in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: I only said we don’t need to lose any players that are currently on the roster. That’s not a crazy idea and it doesn’t involve being reckless. Tremaine already makes almost 13mil this year. If you wanted to keep him how much more would it cost? Would that be reckless? Same for Oliver. He’s already set to make 10 million next year. I don’t think giving him a slight raise would be irresponsible. How did we go from “draft, develop, and sign our own” to “keeping our own would be wildly reckless”?! What? Where did I say "keeping our own would be wildly reckless"? Or anything like it. Spending a ton of extra on Burns, a complementary piece but nothing even close to a need ... that is what I think would be reckless. Edited October 22, 2022 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Hasn’t been pretty much already done that The von miller signing was a swing away move Rams got Stafford and to put them over the top traded for Von Miller & OBJ !! I know we have a good roaster but Bean always says that he does everything possible to always upgrade the roaster !! we still have 11 games left injuries are a possibility our OL can use some quality depth especially at Guard Edited October 22, 2022 by Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: I mostly agree. I just don’t value draft picks as high as you might. I would give a first for Burns in a heartbeat. No, I think Burns is worth a 1st. A very talented guy who could still be growing, I think. I like him and he's really young. But that it would put us into serious cap problems. Force us into much more uncomfortable decisions down the road. Maybe we're talking past each other a bit, here. Anyway, best of luck to you, and see you round the boards. Go Bills! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Putin said: Rams got Stafford and to put them over the top traded for Von Miller & OBJ !! I know we have a good roaster but Bean always says that he does everything possible to always upgrade the roaster !! The way the Rams did it could’ve ended very badly for them because they went all in on one year look how we demolish them in the first game That’s not the way our general manager does it do people forget what he said when he first got here competitive now and in the future are words that he used And this isn’t just a good roster this is a fantastic roster Going five and one with all those injuries we had at the beginning of the season that we are just now recovering from should tell everyone that we are plugging and playing rookies in average players into starting spots and still winning Edited October 22, 2022 by John from Riverside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Putin said: Rams got Stafford and to put them over the top traded for Von Miller & OBJ !! I know we have a good roaster but Bean always says that he does everything possible to always upgrade the roaster !! He says he does everything that makes sense to upgrade the roster. He also says his goal is to be in contention every year. Not to do everything possible for this year and screw the future. The Rams did indeed get lucky enough to win last year and wouldn't have without Miller and OBJ. But they also put themselves in the position they're in now. They are not good enough to be in contention this year, IMO, and the reason has a lot to do with valuing the short-term over the long-term. Edited October 22, 2022 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: Then which players do you want to lose and why? I wouldn’t mind moving on from Edmunds and Oliver. But let me guess you don’t like that idea either. Oh so you meant to say “I don’t think they have the cap space” You seem to think this is so easy. "just restructure everyone and their mama and you can keep whoever you want." Why don't you explain how this happens. We currently have 60 players signed. Going into next season with only 38 players we have an estimated negative 7.5 mil. Show me in detail how you would manage this roster and get from 38 players to 53 starting with negative 7.5m cap space and keeping all of our top guys. Outside of Allen, Diggs, Von, Knox... most of our roster contracts expire over the next 3 seasons other than the rookies and a couple role players. Alot of those over the next two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Scott7975 said: You seem to think this is so easy. "just restructure everyone and their mama and you can keep whoever you want." Why don't you explain how this happens. We currently have 60 players signed. Going into next season with only 38 players we have an estimated negative 7.5 mil. Show me in detail how you would manage this roster and get from 38 players to 53 starting with negative 7.5m cap space and keeping all of our top guys. Outside of Allen, Diggs, Von, Knox... most of our roster contracts expire over the next 3 seasons other than the rookies and a couple role players. Alot of those over the next two. I'd be glad to. I'll have a caveat that I don't necessarily think they SHOULD extend all of these players, and the result of this season will obviously play into these decisions. Especially with Poyer. It's really only Edmunds and Poyer that are not under contract for 2023. To clear the cap space for them Beane would only need to convert Allen and White's base salaries into a bonus and spread them over the remainder of their contracts. That should get them pretty close to $30mil. in cap space. I don't know about you, but I'm ok with being stuck with Allen and White a while longer. Now the other two important pieces are Oliver and Davis. Both are set for 2023, but extending them is another story. Oliver will be making over 10mil on his 5th year option, so if he gets an extension at around 14mil/yr Beane could find 4mil OR he can actually save more cap space in 2023 by spreading the 10mil to future years. Nothing crazy. Just moving money around for White and Allen's contracts. No main pieces lost. Davis will be the one where he gets a big raise, but again he's under contract for 2023 at a very low salary so they don't have to do anything. I think it would be a good idea to lock him up long-term before he potentially has two good statistical seasons and the salary cap (and player contracts) goes up significantly as it's expected to. They can afford Gabe's extension in 2024 because the cap is expected to go up significantly. Which is why extending all of our core pieces now is actually the smart thing to do. Don't listen to posters here calling it irresponsible. Here's a list of other players that can be restructured/extended this offseason or next depending on when it's needed: Dawkins, Milano, T.Johnson, D.Jones, Bates, Settle. I would love to have the first four listed here for longer than their current contract. So an extension is again not irresponsible and benefits the team and the player. They love getting big lump sum checks from Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: I'd be glad to. I'll have a caveat that I don't necessarily think they SHOULD extend all of these players, and the result of this season will obviously play into these decisions. Especially with Poyer. It's really only Edmunds and Poyer that are not under contract for 2023. To clear the cap space for them Beane would only need to convert Allen and White's base salaries into a bonus and spread them over the remainder of their contracts. That should get them pretty close to $30mil. in cap space. I don't know about you, but I'm ok with being stuck with Allen and White a while longer. Now the other two important pieces are Oliver and Davis. Both are set for 2023, but extending them is another story. Oliver will be making over 10mil on his 5th year option, so if he gets an extension at around 14mil/yr Beane could find 4mil OR he can actually save more cap space in 2023 by spreading the 10mil to future years. Nothing crazy. Just moving money around for White and Allen's contracts. No main pieces lost. Davis will be the one where he gets a big raise, but again he's under contract for 2023 at a very low salary so they don't have to do anything. I think it would be a good idea to lock him up long-term before he potentially has two good statistical seasons and the salary cap (and player contracts) goes up significantly as it's expected to. They can afford Gabe's extension in 2024 because the cap is expected to go up significantly. Which is why extending all of our core pieces now is actually the smart thing to do. Don't listen to posters here calling it irresponsible. Here's a list of other players that can be restructured/extended this offseason or next depending on when it's needed: Dawkins, Milano, T.Johnson, D.Jones, Bates, Settle. I would love to have the first four listed here for longer than their current contract. So an extension is again not irresponsible and benefits the team and the player. They love getting big lump sum checks from Terry. Um what? Only Edmunds and Poyer? I see roughly 8 current starters in that list, some rotational dline, some next in line backups, some depth players, and the backup QB. You may say that a lot of those guys can go but you still have to replace them. We have 38 current players with contracts that dont expire next season. Without resigning those players we are projected to be 7.5m in the negative. Jordan Poyer Mitch Morse Rodger Saffold Case Keenum Jordan Phillips Tyler Matakevich Tremaine Edmunds Jamison Crowder David Quessenberry Taiwan Jones Sam Martin Greg Van Roten Ike Boettger Shaq Lawson Jake Kumerow Bobby Hart Justin Murray Devin Singletary Brandin Bryant Tyrel Dodson Dane Jackson Cam Lewis Jaquan Johnson Tommy Sweeney Edited October 23, 2022 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) Since this is the trade deadline/rumors thread I'll add an addendum to my last post. Big ticket trade options like Burns and Moore may seem out of reach, but as I've shown above we can keep every one of our players through 2023 by only restructuring Allen and White. If Beane thinks either of those guys or someone else gives us a significant advantage and can be acquired at a price he's ok with, he can get a couple swings at the Lombardi with them. For example, Beane trades 2023 1st rd pick for Burns. His cap would be easy to absorb this season, but next year has 16mil cap hit. To fit that in, Beane could extend/restructure Dawkins and Milano. Two players I'd be happy with for another year or two. Extending Burns would be difficult long-term, but he can be tagged and traded to recoup the 1st round pick given up previously. 7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Um what? Only Edmunds and Poyer? I see roughly 8 current starters in that list, some rotational dline, some next in line backups, some depth players, and the backup QB. You may say that a lot of those guys can go but you still have to replace them. We have 38 current players with contracts that dont expire next season. Without resigning those players we are projected to be 7.5m in the negative. Jordan Poyer Mitch Morse Rodger Saffold Case Keenum Jordan Phillips Tyler Matakevich Tremaine Edmunds Jamison Crowder David Quessenberry Taiwan Jones Sam Martin Greg Van Roten Ike Boettger Shaq Lawson Jake Kumerow Bobby Hart Justin Murray Devin Singletary Brandin Bryant Tyrel Dodson Dane Jackson Cam Lewis Jaquan Johnson Tommy Sweeney I'm talking about the main core pieces. I won't be talking about Bobby freaking Hart. A lot of the guys listed are making more than they should and more than the league minimum. Bills will actually save more $ by replacing them with draft picks, current PS and league minimum. Also, Morse is under contract for 2023 Edited October 23, 2022 by Rock-A-Bye Beasley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: Since this is the trade deadline/rumors thread I'll add an addendum to my last post. Big ticket trade options like Burns and Moore may seem out of reach, but as I've shown above we can keep every one of our players through 2023 by only restructuring Allen and White. If Beane thinks either of those guys or someone else gives us a significant advantage and can be acquired at a price he's ok with, he can get a couple swings at the Lombardi with them. For example, Beane trades 2023 1st rd pick for Burns. His cap would be easy to absorb this season, but next year has 16mil cap hit. To fit that in, Beane could extend/restructure Dawkins and Milano. Two players I'd be happy with for another year or two. Extending Burns would be difficult long-term, but he can be tagged and traded to recoup the 1st round pick given up previously. I'm talking about the main core pieces. I won't be talking about Bobby freaking Hart. A lot of the guys listed are making more than they should and more than the league minimum. Bills will actually save more $ by replacing them with draft picks, current PS and league minimum. Also, Morse is under contract for 2023 Im not asking you to talk about Bobby freaking Hart. You still have to replace Bobby freaking Hart. What you dont seem to comprehend is when you use all your cap dollars on high money star contracts then you cant build the rest of the team. You have no depth. You have no good players... you end up with a handful of stars and a bunch of nobodies. Our team is as good as it is because we have good players. Those good players go away when you have too many stars and are replaced with players like Bobby freaking Hart. You like Phillips? He is now Bobby freaking Hart. you like Dane Jackson? He is now Bobby freaking Hart. You like Mitch Morse? He is now Bobby freaking Hart. Etc etc etc. All your players become Bobby freaking Hart because you cant afford anyone but the stars. Yeah buddy you can disagree all you want to but this isnt Madden football. You cant pay stars all over the field. You might get away with it for a year or two but then your team is toast. Having good players and roles players are just as important. You keep living in your delusion and play around on Madden football franchise mode though. Edited October 23, 2022 by Scott7975 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Im not asking you to talk about Bobby freaking Hart. You still have to replace Bobby freaking Hart. What you dont seem to comprehend is when you use all your cap dollars on high money star contracts then you cant build the rest of the team. You have no depth. You have no good players... you end up with a handful of stars and a bunch of nobodies. Our team is as good as it is because we have good players. Those good players go away when you have too many stars and are replaced with players like Bobby freaking Hart. You like Phillips? He is now Bobby freaking Hart. you like Dane Jackson? He is now Bobby freaking Hart. You like Mitch Morse? He is now Bobby freaking Hart. Etc etc etc. All your players become Bobby freaking Hart because you cant afford anyone but the stars. Ok man we will see. They extend Mlano, Dawkins, and T.Johnson and you can sign Phillips and all the depth you want. Or do you not want those 3 long-term? Because I hope they extend them now before the cap goes way up and in a couple years we are looking at much larger salaries. At some point we have to cycle through draft picks and league minimum guys for the bottom of the roster. The only thing we are going to miss out on when this happens is paying special teams players 3.5million a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: I mostly agree. I just don’t value draft picks as high as you might. I would give a first for Burns in a heartbeat. Then you'd be on the hook for the 5th year option next year if you can't re-sign him. We've invested too many picks at the DE position (Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa) to sign another high price veteran opposite Von Miller. I'm fine with Rousseau right now. Let's just concentrate on re-signing our own and trust that at least one of those three will develop into a premier pass rusher. There's also no guarantee he'd want to re-sign here so giving up a first for him is lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Then you'd be on the hook for the 5th year option next year if you can't re-sign him. We've invested too many picks at the DE position (Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa) to sign another high price veteran opposite Von Miller. I'm fine with Rousseau right now. Let's just concentrate on re-signing our own and trust that at least one of those three will develop into a premier pass rusher. There's also no guarantee he'd want to re-sign here so giving up a first for him is lunacy. Fair enough although not lunacy because I'm sure there's a team willing to give a 1st or early 2nd for him if he wants to be somewhere else for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: Fair enough although not lunacy because I'm sure there's a team willing to give a 1st or early 2nd for him if he wants to be somewhere else for some reason. They're asking for multiple firsts though. I just think of the Seahawks giving up two picks for Jamaal Adams before giving him a record breaking contract. Same thing with Mack with the Bears in 2018. If their asking price comes down to just a first I still wouldn't do it because we invested so much at that position already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 VERY few actual rumors or speculations here… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Then you'd be on the hook for the 5th year option next year if you can't re-sign him. We've invested too many picks at the DE position (Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa) to sign another high price veteran opposite Von Miller. I'm fine with Rousseau right now. Let's just concentrate on re-signing our own and trust that at least one of those three will develop into a premier pass rusher. There's also no guarantee he'd want to re-sign here so giving up a first for him is lunacy. I personally don’t understand why we would even take Groot off the field he has been excellent this season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I personally don’t understand why we would even take Groot off the field he has been excellent this season Bills rotate so much you could theoretically pair a twosome of Miller/Groot/Burns on every snap giving each at least 66% of the snaps. Helps keep each fresh. My math might be off on that. Edited October 23, 2022 by Doc Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Bills rotate so much you could theoretically pair a twosome of Miller/Groot/Burns on every snap giving each at least 66% of the snaps. Helps keep each fresh. My math might be off on that. Sure but at what cost we already have so much invested in this line I wish we had that much invested in our offense of line 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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