SoCal Deek Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Also when did our government stop anyone from practicing their religion? Were you taking a nap during the pandemic? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Were you taking a nap during the pandemic? Oh not allowing churches to congregate? Was that not across the board for public gatherings? I honestly dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Wait....I thought we were keeping Christianity and Government separate? Not today? You were freely taking about religion, now not so much? It's like there are no standards at all, a religion of whatever you want. Party like its the end times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You were freely taking about religion, now not so much? It's like there are no standards at all, a religion of whatever you want. Party like its the end times! Say what? I didn't start this thread. You'all have been setting your hair on fire about an imaginary theocracy. I'm just sitting here. But, apparently when it serves your purpose-de-jour you want to toss the word Christianity around? Nice! And when it comes to helping the poor, there is nothing stopping you from digging into your wallet, or giving of your time to help out all day, every day. However, hiding behind government, and then calling it charity is definitely not a biblical principle. 9 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Oh not allowing churches to congregate? Was that not across the board for public gatherings? I honestly dont know. Are rock concerts protected under the Constitution? I missed that part. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: So you are suggesting I do not know about your god somehow? Or your teachings? Again, my views on religion are well-established on these fora and do not require re-hashing in a thread that doesn’t call for it. That being said, if you would like to compare credentials I’d be happy to, but you don’t need a terminal degree to understand that the Christian god is indeed a “he,” both in his own purported testimony and in the incarnation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Seems to me while he supposedly agrees with that he supports a party who's goal is to do exactly that. I respect his god. I would guess he respects mine. That is a real question. That is not harassment. We are having a discussion. Also when did our government stop anyone from practicing their religion? The government stopped people from practicing their faith less than 2 years ago, Ned. Maybe you missed it. Home Depot? Open. Liquor stores? Open. Massive protests in the thick of a pandemic, people traveling in close contact from city to city? Completely and unassailably fine. Church, Houses of Worship? Locked down under threat of criminal and civil action. I didn't suggest you were harassing Deek, he's a big boy and can figure out how he feels. I pointed out that there was an opportunity for agreement, and you chose to ignore it and attempt to mock him. I say 'attempt' because you ended up looking pretty silly, and like a bigot to boot. 16 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Please stop with the normal reasonable American response. We seen how you played Jan 6th and voter fraud and Trump having top secret documents.. You guys are absurd. I support law enforcement efforts against people who committed crimes on 1/6. I supported the officer who made the decision to shoot Ashley Babbitt based on the theory that he felt his life was in danger due to actions of the protestors. My first reaction to hte behavior at the Capitol was disgust. I also think Trump erred in holding the rally that day, not because he couldn't or shouldn't, but because the potential for it to be used against him was too high. I support clean, fair and honest elections. I felt that the Dems referring to the 2016 election as illegitimate, the result of treason by Trump, and to the notion that a 'coup' put Trump in office was dangerous and sowed doubt about the integrity of our elections. I asked you what you thought about that, and like the poser and hypocrite you seems to be, you bailed without answering. That's weak, chief, but expected of a bigot. I also point out repeatedly that leading voices in the democrat party sounded alarm bells about the security of our elections, thereby impugning the integrity of our system. I have stated numerous times I see Trump's Stop the Steal as a natural evolution of "Trump's Coup" from 2016. We're nearly two years past the Biden election, and still waiting for the :wink wink: evidence from the select committee that Trump was directly and criminally involved in sedition or conspiracy. This is the third time the dems have had held all the cards to get Trump, and it sure seems like the only thing popping here is the Dems political attempt to influence the mid terms. To be fair, why wouldn't they? People like you are easily manipulated. It works, politically, so that's the new marketing trend in politics--the other guy is illegitimate. As for Trump and the documents, I see that as an unforced error on his part. He already knows that the dems will launch any assault, including nuclear options like declaring him guilty of treason, because that's what their base demands. I think if Presidents were routinely raided by the political opposition for matters like this, every president in the history of the country would have this sort of problem. Seems clear Obama would fall, Bush likely as well, and so on. I also note that after a 10 hour search by dozens of trained professionals, it's quite telling that items unrelated to the job at hand were seized..medical records, tax records, personal papers etc...and that the Biden DOJ was adamant that it was an afront to freedom and the very security of our nation that an independent party be assigned to dig through the items taken. Who the *&^% buys any party saying "You just have to trust us!"? Who, besides people like you I suppose. Maybe what you seen you didn't see so good? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Say what? I didn't start this thread. You'all have been setting your hair on fire about an imaginary theocracy. I'm just sitting here. But, apparently when it serves your purpose-de-jour you want to toss the word Christianity around? Nice! And when it comes to helping the poor, there is nothing stopping you from digging into your wallet, or giving of your time to help out all day, every day. However, hiding behind government, and then calling it charity is definitely not a biblical principle. Are rock concerts protected under the Constitution? I missed that part. So you separate your religious morals to nationalism? You slam the door on immigrants out of national interests, totally ignoring Christian charity? Have you cake and eat it too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: So you separate your religious morals to nationalism? You slam the door on immigrants out of national interests, totally ignoring Christian charity? Have you cake and eat it too? A new day dawns ….And….we’re off and running. Charity is wonderful but it is definitely not the job of government. Why’s that a difficult concept? I thought you wanted to separate the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: A new day dawns ….And….we’re off and running. Charity is wonderful but it is definitely not the job of government. Why’s that a difficult concept? I thought you wanted to separate the two? So let them die? Christian love! That makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: So let them die? Christian love! That makes no sense. So you believe immigration is the one policy where religious morality should govern the policies of the State? Or should we eliminating income inequality across all the peoples of the world on the backs of the US taxpayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you separate your religious morals to nationalism? You slam the door on immigrants out of national interests, totally ignoring Christian charity? Have you cake and eat it too? Aliens in the Mosaic law were not allowed to participate in religious or civil life in Israel until and unless they had bound themselves to Israel and the males had undergone ritual circumcision. Not to mention that an agrarian society that was basically a bunch of landholdings effectively has no borders and no real concept of immigration. Regardless, the question of whether a republican government can restrict immigration, based on your own claims, is wholly separated from Christianity. If you truly believe that our government should be completely separated from religious belief, then Christian charity, with or without context, doesn't enter into the equation at all and Christians are free to form policy opinions that are similarly separate. You don't get to have it both ways, Tibs, see below image. Edited September 29, 2022 by LeviF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, LeviF said: Aliens in the Mosaic law were not allowed to participate in religious or civil life in Israel until and unless they had bound themselves to Israel and the males had undergone ritual circumcision. Not to mention that an agrarian society that was basically a bunch of landholdings effectively has no borders and no real concept of immigration. Regardless, the question of whether a republican government can restrict immigration, based on your own claims, is wholly separated from Christianity. If you truly believe that our government should be completely separated from religious belief, then Christian charity, with or without context, doesn't enter into the equation at all and Christians are free to form policy opinions that are similarly separate. You don't get to have it both ways, Tibs, see below image. You are being a hypocrite. Those people seeking asylum are fleeing for their lives and you guys are saying f them. Kind of sickening how the "moral majority" crowd denounces people for wanting to get married, then claims there is no morality involved in denying the DOCA kids a chance at citizenship, just out of pure spite. 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: So you believe immigration is the one policy where religious morality should govern the policies of the State? Or should we eliminating income inequality across all the peoples of the world on the backs of the US taxpayer? I never said that, I just said you selectively apply your religion when it suits you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I never said that, I just said you selectively apply your religion when it suits you I know what you’ve said. We all do. You've been pushing your anti Christian agenda for quite a few days now. It’s really odd, but it’s apparently your happy place. So keep putting all of your faith and hope in the all-knowing, ever-present State. I’m sure the State is working all things for your good. Yep! Great plan! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 12:00 PM, Tiberius said: I mean we have a first amendment, so WTF is this? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck No wonder they venerate the filthy Southern Confederacy so much...spit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, LeviF said: Again, my views on religion are well-established on these fora and do not require re-hashing in a thread that doesn’t call for it. That being said, if you would like to compare credentials I’d be happy to, but you don’t need a terminal degree to understand that the Christian god is indeed a “he,” both in his own purported testimony and in the incarnation. bro I couldn’t care less about your established religious views on a bills site. Who says crap like that. Most people like me who don’t buy into organized BS do not know the details of your god. I have no interest in your god and your belief system. I respect your right to believe anything you want however. His own perpetrated testimony written down hundreds of years later by corrupt men I assume you meant. Edited September 29, 2022 by nedboy7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Isn’t Biden white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: You are being a hypocrite. Those people seeking asylum are fleeing for their lives and you guys are saying f them. You are exposing the fact that you are grossly unaware of this situation, and have no exposure to it. There is a very small percentage of people who are "fleeing for their lives." That is nonsense. This is an economic situation, politicized, exploited and needs to be cured at the source. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 21 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: The government stopped people from practicing their faith less than 2 years ago, Ned. Maybe you missed it. Home Depot? Open. Liquor stores? Open. Massive protests in the thick of a pandemic, people traveling in close contact from city to city? Completely and unassailably fine. Church, Houses of Worship? Locked down under threat of criminal and civil action. I didn't suggest you were harassing Deek, he's a big boy and can figure out how he feels. I pointed out that there was an opportunity for agreement, and you chose to ignore it and attempt to mock him. I say 'attempt' because you ended up looking pretty silly, and like a bigot to boot. I support law enforcement efforts against people who committed crimes on 1/6. I supported the officer who made the decision to shoot Ashley Babbitt based on the theory that he felt his life was in danger due to actions of the protestors. My first reaction to hte behavior at the Capitol was disgust. I also think Trump erred in holding the rally that day, not because he couldn't or shouldn't, but because the potential for it to be used against him was too high. I support clean, fair and honest elections. I felt that the Dems referring to the 2016 election as illegitimate, the result of treason by Trump, and to the notion that a 'coup' put Trump in office was dangerous and sowed doubt about the integrity of our elections. I asked you what you thought about that, and like the poser and hypocrite you seems to be, you bailed without answering. That's weak, chief, but expected of a bigot. I also point out repeatedly that leading voices in the democrat party sounded alarm bells about the security of our elections, thereby impugning the integrity of our system. I have stated numerous times I see Trump's Stop the Steal as a natural evolution of "Trump's Coup" from 2016. We're nearly two years past the Biden election, and still waiting for the :wink wink: evidence from the select committee that Trump was directly and criminally involved in sedition or conspiracy. This is the third time the dems have had held all the cards to get Trump, and it sure seems like the only thing popping here is the Dems political attempt to influence the mid terms. To be fair, why wouldn't they? People like you are easily manipulated. It works, politically, so that's the new marketing trend in politics--the other guy is illegitimate. As for Trump and the documents, I see that as an unforced error on his part. He already knows that the dems will launch any assault, including nuclear options like declaring him guilty of treason, because that's what their base demands. I think if Presidents were routinely raided by the political opposition for matters like this, every president in the history of the country would have this sort of problem. Seems clear Obama would fall, Bush likely as well, and so on. I also note that after a 10 hour search by dozens of trained professionals, it's quite telling that items unrelated to the job at hand were seized..medical records, tax records, personal papers etc...and that the Biden DOJ was adamant that it was an afront to freedom and the very security of our nation that an independent party be assigned to dig through the items taken. Who the *&^% buys any party saying "You just have to trust us!"? Who, besides people like you I suppose. Maybe what you seen you didn't see so good? Wow those are some nasty insults from a clown who thinks the Stop the Steal is an extension of the 2016 Russian investigation. Almost like you forgot when Trump started that BS. Way before the election like a good strongman. As for the Russian manipulation that you seem to think is a hoax I suggest you do some reading out of your comfort zone. Even Wikipedia has a whole spread on it!! LOL. Although it might be a long read for a bigot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, sherpa said: This is an economic situation, politicized, exploited and needs to be cured at the source. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, BillStime said: Where did he say that? Good job Twit for Brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 37 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: bro I couldn’t care less about your established religious views on a bills site. Who says crap like that. Most people like me who don’t buy into organized BS do not know the details of your god. I have no interest in your god and your belief system. I respect your right to believe anything you want however. His own perpetrated testimony written down hundreds of years later by corrupt men I assume you meant. In other words, you don't know what you're talking about, but insist on talking about it anyway. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, sherpa said: You are exposing the fact that you are grossly unaware of this situation, and have no exposure to it. There is a very small percentage of people who are "fleeing for their lives." That is nonsense. This is an economic situation, politicized, exploited and needs to be cured at the source. How do you come to conclusion people are not fleeing for their lives? Who is politicizing this? What economic situation? You mean we as a capitalist nation have jobs and the natural free flow of labor should be stopped for political reasons? To appease Conservatives? Was Thomas Jefferson for or against immigration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: How do you come to conclusion people are not fleeing for their lives? Who is politicizing this? What economic situation? You mean we as a capitalist nation have jobs and the natural free flow of labor should be stopped for political reasons? To appease Conservatives? Was Thomas Jefferson for or against immigration? Huh? Thomas Jefferson was in favor of illegal immigration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Was Thomas Jefferson for or against immigration? He didn’t need immigration. He had the black people which have now been replaced by brown people you apparently love to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Huh? Thomas Jefferson was in favor of illegal immigration? Legal immigration, unlike you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Wow those are some nasty insults from a clown who thinks the Stop the Steal is an extension of the 2016 Russian investigation. Almost like you forgot when Trump started that BS. Way before the election like a good strongman. As for the Russian manipulation that you seem to think is a hoax I suggest you do some reading out of your comfort zone. Even Wikipedia has a whole spread on it!! LOL. Although it might be a long read for a bigot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections A few years ago, I was in Las Vegas with a friend. My friend stayed out drinking all night, came back the next morning and announced he wanted to go have a burger. As it was 7am, I had no interest on doing so and told him he should go sleep it off in his room. Well, he was drunk and insisted, and I figured he was likely to get into some trouble, so I went with him. 5 minutes into our quest, we walked past a lady dressed as an opera singer and shouting nonsense at the top of her lungs. My friend heard her, and in his intoxicated state, looked at me and asked "Is she *&*(ing talking to me?" and turned to engage. I grabbed his arm, told him she had issues and that we needed to keep moving. He was somewhat insistent on speaking with her, and it was only when I told her she was spouting gibberish that he relented. Previously, I asked you about the dems actions and statements about illegitimate election, coup and treason. You had no reply, even though you were pretty heated up about Trump's allegations of a stolen election. It seemed to me then, and moreso now, that you are ok with spreading information about the integrity of elections when you get what you need out of it. That seems hypocritical, of course, but just about everyone is a hypocrite from time to time. Now, after your link to the wiki, a free-form, open-sourced collaboration for everyone who wants to chime in on any given subject, I realize that here, I'm my drunken friend and you're the lady in the opera dress. I appreciate your feedback, I'll consider what you've shared and my role in our conversation. Btw...wiki on wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source#:~:text=Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on,in progress%2C or simply incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: How do you come to conclusion people are not fleeing for their lives? Ten years of dealing with US Immigration folks working out agreements. Ten years of experience between the US and: Caracas, Venezuela. Cali and Bogota Colombia. La Paz and Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Lima, Peru. Santiago, Chile. Rio de janeiro, Sao Paulo, Recife and Belo Horizonte, Brazil. Buenos Aires, Argentina. Guatemala City, Guatemala. Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula, Honduras. San Salvador, El Salvador. I've forgotten a few, but my view is well formed. Edited September 29, 2022 by sherpa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Legal immigration, unlike you I’m opposed to legal immigration? I am? Go figure! That’d seem like an odd position for me to take since my recent ancestors all immigrated here legally. But if you so….it must be right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 hours ago, BillStime said: Are you considering a vasectomy just to spite him? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Wow those are some nasty insults from a clown who thinks the Stop the Steal is an extension of the 2016 Russian investigation. Almost like you forgot when Trump started that BS. Way before the election like a good strongman. As for the Russian manipulation that you seem to think is a hoax I suggest you do some reading out of your comfort zone. Even Wikipedia has a whole spread on it!! LOL. Although it might be a long read for a bigot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections You should actually read his post, it makes a pretty good points about how the dem reaction to 2016 actually opened the door for Stop the Steal. And why are YOU calling him a bigot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 hours ago, sherpa said: Ten years of dealing with US Immigration folks working out agreements. Ten years of experience between the US and: Caracas, Venezuela. Cali and Bogota Colombia. La Paz and Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Lima, Peru. Santiago, Chile. Rio de janeiro, Sao Paulo, Recife and Belo Horizonte, Brazil. Buenos Aires, Argentina. Guatemala City, Guatemala. Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula, Honduras. San Salvador, El Salvador. I've forgotten a few, but my view is well formed. Left out Quito, Ecuador. Montevideo, Uruguay. Asuncion, Paraguay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 15 hours ago, sherpa said: Ten years of dealing with US Immigration folks working out agreements. Ten years of experience between the US and: Caracas, Venezuela. Cali and Bogota Colombia. La Paz and Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Lima, Peru. Santiago, Chile. Rio de janeiro, Sao Paulo, Recife and Belo Horizonte, Brazil. Buenos Aires, Argentina. Guatemala City, Guatemala. Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula, Honduras. San Salvador, El Salvador. I've forgotten a few, but my view is well formed. This does not prove anything at all. I asked for proof that most of the immigrants were not seeking political asylum And I take it you are against allowing more immigrants to come in and do work. We need them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This does not prove anything at all. I asked for proof that most of the immigrants were not seeking political asylum And I take it you are against allowing more immigrants to come in and do work. We need them Then please make a push for increasing LEGAL immigration. You’ll get little to no pushback from those on Right. This isn’t a complicated issue. We just need to work together instead of talking past each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This does not prove anything at all. I asked for proof that most of the immigrants were not seeking political asylum And I take it you are against allowing more immigrants to come in and do work. We need them Tibs, I fully support a dramatic increase of legal immigration in this country, but it's silly not to think that most immigrants are doing anything other than trying to find a better life in the US. 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Then please make a push for increasing LEGAL immigration. You’ll get little to no pushback from those on Right. This isn’t a complicated issue. We just need to work together instead of talking past each other. Politicians on both sides of the aisle use illegal immigration to rile up their base, they have little to gain from solving this problem, and since most are selfish scum bags, they likely won't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Politicians on both sides of the aisle use illegal immigration to rile up their base, they have little to gain from solving this problem, and since most are selfish scum bags, they likely won't fix it. That’s of course the standard argument…and I’m guessing at least partly true. But it’s also why we need some new blood in Congress. We’re being governed by very selfish people on both sides of the aisle. They stopped working for the American people a long time ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Tenhigh said: You should actually read his post, it makes a pretty good points about how the dem reaction to 2016 actually opened the door for Stop the Steal. And why are YOU calling him a bigot? Most people don't like being called out for their own limitations, and in fairness I suggested he was a bigot before he accused me of that. He wasn't particularly original, but it's a natural reflex for some to punch back. After his response to Deek's question about religious freedom and the government, coupled with his complete cluelessness on COVID lockdowns and houses of worship, he's not exactly the DaVinci Code on this subject. I'm completely comfortable in my thinking that Stop the Steal was a natural evolution of political manipulation that started with democrat leadership in 2015. I've yet to encounter a person on this board who's provided a reasonable counterpoint to the argument that the words and actions of dem leadership was an assault on the integrity of our elections, the legitimacy of the Trump election, and on the question of dems suggesting Trump was guilty of treason. I asked Ned about that, he moved on. It could just be the format, but Ned suggested I said Stop the Steal was an "extension" of the Russia Investigation, but that's a mischaracterization, deliberate or otherwise. I referred to it as the 'evolution' of the allegations of illegitimate elections, accusations of treason etc. The point is simply this--the hard sell on integrity of elections and treasonous behavior worked very well for the dems. Their supporters accepted the notion as fact. So, it worked for them, why wouldn't the same branding and message points work for republicans? I'll acknowledge I could be wrong--maybe the most informed people in the world about Russia etc truly thought they had evidence of treasonous behavior but just couldn't prove it after nearly 4 years of door kicking, witness interviewing, deal offering, and such. What actually happened was that allegations of illegitimacy/treason/coup gave way to 'collusion' which morphed into 'obstruction'. but hey, could have all been a grand coinicidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Then please make a push for increasing LEGAL immigration. You’ll get little to no pushback from those on Right. This isn’t a complicated issue. We just need to work together instead of talking past each other. Really? That is in no way true at all 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: Tibs, I fully support a dramatic increase of legal immigration in this country, but it's silly not to think that most immigrants are doing anything other than trying to find a better life in the US. Politicians on both sides of the aisle use illegal immigration to rile up their base, they have little to gain from solving this problem, and since most are selfish scum bags, they likely won't fix it. Republicans don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Really? That is in no way true at all Republicans don't I think you'd be surprised, Tibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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