LA Chargers @ KC Chiefs - TNF Game Thread

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

I have to disagree that the Chargers have a stacked roster…that is true of the defense, but that offense is sorely lacking in speed and weapons.  Mike Williams is a nice player, but he was completely invisible in the second half…even with Herbert, who’s very talented, the Chargers’ offense seems like a dink and dunk attack that’s really not going to scare anyone.  I’d love to see that team come to Orchard Park in January.

Defense is a monster when fresh, but for all their top tier defensive talent, where’s the depth?… because they were gassed in that second half.  
 

On offense, Keenan Allen obviously makes them better than what we saw, but they rely so much on jump balls down the field and check downs to Ekeler. 
 

Herbert is good, but he is way less athletic than I thought.  He just stands in the pocket getting rocked. 

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

This is coaching.  Joe Lombardi is in over his head as OC there.  He clearly only is capable of making a gameplan, at the direction of Sean Peyton, for old Drew Brees.  They throw a bunch of short dink, dunk passes.  WASTING Justin Herberts big arm and mobility. 

Who do the have on that roster who can stretch the field?  And their TEs aren’t a threat either.  To me it’s a below average offense with an above average QB.

[LabattBlue]

Score was 17-14 Chargers, and Mahomes threw a ball right to Samuel which should haven been a 100+ yard pick six, and a 10 point Charger lead.  Instead KC kicks a FG, next possession Herbert drives the Chargers down, and he throws a pick at the goal line that goes all the way back. 
 

Two plays on back to back series that changed the game.  

 

[jkeerie]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

I have to disagree that the Chargers have a stacked roster…that is true of the defense, but that offense is sorely lacking in speed and weapons.  Mike Williams is a nice player, but he was completely invisible in the second half…even with Herbert, who’s very talented, the Chargers’ offense seems like a dink and dunk attack that’s really not going to scare anyone.  I’d love to see that team come to Orchard Park in January.

They really missed Keenan Allen.  BTW...KC is the luckiest team.  They always seem to catch teams that are missing key players.  Last year they played GB without Aaron Rogers.

[LabattBlue]

4 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

They really missed Keenan Allen.  BTW...KC is the luckiest team.  They always seem to catch teams that are missing key players.  Last year they played GB without Aaron Rogers.

News flash…you have to have some luck along the way if you are going to win a SB.  

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Defense is a monster when fresh, but for all their top tier defensive talent, where’s the depth?… because they were gassed in that second half.  
 

On offense, Keenan Allen obviously makes them better than what we saw, but they rely so much on jump balls down the field and check downs to Ekeler. 
 

Herbert is good, but he is way less athletic than I thought.  He just stands in the pocket getting rocked. 

 

Herbert is not elusive in the same way Allen is...his straight line speed might be similar, but he isn't going to make you miss or look silly in the open field the way Allen is or escape from the pocket when a defender is closing in by making him do an 'Ole! Or take on the defender and run him over or stiff arm him into oblivion. Mahomes has some of the elusiveness like Allen does, he just doesn't have the power component Allen does.

 

Even when he is running out of the pocket, he isn't a threat to run for 20 yards unless there is nobody out in front of him.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Big Turk

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[Solomon Grundy]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This was the first time I’ve really watched Herbert.  I’ll check in on games here and there, but being on the West Coast, and not a premier team, I haven’t really seen a ton of him.  
 

Just based off that one game… He’s a poor man’s Josh Allen, if JA was hesitant/incapable of running.   Strong arm, can make all the throws.  Big prototype looking QB.  Stands in and makes throws in the face of pressure.  His decision making, reading of defense seems to be a level below the elites and he throws check downs and jump balls FREQUENTLY  (although that may also be a function of the offense w their WR’s). 
 

He’s a top tier QB, but there is clear separation between Allen/Mahomes and Herbert/Burrow. 

Had Herbert used his legs to convert those 3rd and short yardage plays, it could have been a different outcome

[Zerovoltz]

20 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

They really missed Keenan Allen.  BTW...KC is the luckiest team.  They always seem to catch teams that are missing key players.  Last year they played GB without Aaron Rogers.

 

...you guys get the Jets twice.  They don't have any key players.    

[EffKCChiefs]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

Good teams win ugly games sometimes.

 

....to put that in perspective....  The Jags beat the Bills last year.  It happens.

 

But perhaps a better way to put it...  When is the last time ANYONE ever said "the Chargers won that game and they had no business winning it"  ...you never hear that about them...it's often the other way around though.   

 

And...I'll reiterate this one more time....  when the interception happened, it was 17-17 in the fourth quarter.  There were about 10 minutes left.  The Chargers had to punt.  The Chiefs got the ball back and punted...the Chargers had the ball back again with just under 6 minutes left, trailing 24-17.  They ended up punting again.

 

The interception return was the key play obviously, but the Chargers had TWO chances to drive and tie, and possibly win the game after that happend.  

 

The Chargers had 400 or so total yards.  KC had 320 or so total yards.  That stat was Even when the Chargers had their final drive...but by then KC was up 10 and KC was letting them have yards in exchange for running clock.  The Chargers were only 5-16 on third down, but 4-4 on 4th Down.... The Chargers only rushed for 75 yards on 25 carries.  That's 3.3 YPC.  

 

I'm not telling you the Chiefs are some juggarnaut, or that they don't get enough credit, but I am telling you the Chargers A) couldn't get it done in the 4th quarter and B) The Chiefs defense was a part of why they couldn't get it done.  C) The Chargers are held back by crappy coaching.  That's a strong roster.

 

Ugh, so you come here and post this nonsense? Go join your trailer park buddies on the KC message boards. 

[Zerovoltz]

1 minute ago, EffKCChiefs said:

Ugh, so you come here and post this nonsense? Go join your trailer park buddies on the KC message boards. 

 

would you care to elaborate further about how what I posted is "nonsense"?

[EffKCChiefs]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

would you care to elaborate further about how what I posted is "nonsense"?

Sure, everything you said. BETTER? 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Just now, EffKCChiefs said:

Sure, everything you said. BETTER? 

Is this the most effective way of conducting a meaningful discussion on the merits of what was posted?

[TheBrownBear]

I thought Mahomes was pretty bad last night, but he still scares the bejeezus out of me as a Bills fan.  Until we beat him in the playoffs, he's our bugaboo.

[aristocrat]

7 minutes ago, EffKCChiefs said:

Ugh, so you come here and post this nonsense? Go join your trailer park buddies on the KC message boards. 

the chargers have been one of those teams that have always found ways to lose. Clock management, being reckless last year with the 4th downs missed field goals. Going for it on fourth down is fine but when you do it in reckless spots it’s just reckless.  Just always seem to ***** defeat from the jaws of victory. 

[Rico]

Punch the Rat or Herbert in the face and they fold like a cheap suit.

 

Punch Josh in the face and he will punch you right back harder with a big smile on his face.

[John from Riverside]

What I took out of this game is there is a blueprint to beat the Chiefs you have to get past rush without blitzing and you got to hang onto the ball when Mahomes gifts you interceptions they also don’t appear to be able to stop the run either

[Joe Ferguson]

I guess there's a new rule now in the NFL when a defender has a chance to intercept a Mahomes pass, he suppose to drop it.

[Son of a K-Gun]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

the chargers have been one of those teams that have always found ways to lose. Clock management, being reckless last year with the 4th downs missed field goals. Going for it on fourth down is fine but when you do it in reckless spots it’s just reckless.  Just always seem to ***** defeat from the jaws of victory. 

 

Staley coaches the way my kid plays Madden.

[Protocal69]

13 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Please explain more where did you see this and how?

I was streaming the game from my computer and at the bottom of the screen their was a drop down for broadcast and once you selected it there was 4 different broadcast options to choose from and the one that had the ALL-22 option was listed as Prime Vision. It was ALL-22 with the name of the players shown above them in message bubble form. Best viewing experience Ive ever had watching a NFL game. 

 

Here is screenshot of what it looked like:

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Protocal69