Andy1 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Well, people last night voted to affirm abortion rights in all states where it was on the ballot. Voters in KY, MI, VT, CA & MT chose to protect womens rights. That is about as diverse a group of states as you could choose. It is pretty clear now how most Americans feel about this issue. I would expect Democrats to push to get this issue on ballots in other states in future elections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 13 hours ago, SCBills said: Nobody in blue states, that understand abortion law, is concerned. It’s a political football for dumb people. Smart people who want power just throw it around. Hochul convinced people Zeldin was going to make abortion illegal in NY. There’s absolutely zero chance he can do anything to abortion if he wanted to, but most voters are easily manipulated and/or lack intelligence (on both sides) This is strictly anecdotal but out here in midnight deep blue California there were almost ZERO television ads for a ballot measure to make abortion part of the State’s Constitution. Instead, the ballot measure we heard about for the last six months day in and day out was regarding Indian Casinos and Sports Gambling. “Dobbs on the Ballot”….hardly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Abortion will still be a hot topic in 2024. Dems can work referendums into several key battleground states to pump up the margins. That's what Bush did in 2004 with gay marriage bans 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 It mattered 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 On 7/20/2022 at 3:03 PM, Wacka said: ALL the Dobbs decision did was uphold the 10th Amendment. lol On 7/21/2022 at 8:26 AM, SoCal Deek said: If I was a betting man I’d say the majority of states will end up with a first trimester limit on abortion. I bet you would lose that bet On 8/31/2022 at 9:46 PM, TSOL said: Between 6-800,000 abortions per year in this country depending on whose numbers you look at. That's more than COVID "killed" in it's first year. Why you hate baby's so much That's the spirit! This anti-abortion sentiment is what is killing the GOP. DeSantis is as tied to it as Trump is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, Tiberius said: lol I bet you would lose that bet That's the spirit! This anti-abortion sentiment is what is killing the GOP. DeSantis is as tied to it as Trump is Oh brother. Keep right on cheering for abortion Tibs! (Not a good look.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 58 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That's the spirit! This anti-abortion sentiment is what is killing the GOP. DeSantis is as tied to it as Trump is You are right. It is, it's losing the GOP basically all women's vote. It's just so immoral though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, TSOL said: You are right. It is, it's losing the GOP basically all women's vote. It's just so immoral though. I wonder what proactive measures we can take to cut back on abortion? Is there anything we should impose on… men? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, BillStime said: I wonder what proactive measures we can take to cut back on abortion? Is there anything we should impose on… men? Is the right to terminate your unborn child a human right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, TSOL said: Is the right to terminate your unborn child a human right? If the concern was truly about elective pregnancies, the GOP would push root cause mitigations. But it’s not, so they don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, TSOL said: Is the right to terminate your unborn child a human right? Answer the question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: If the concern was truly about elective pregnancies, the GOP would push root cause mitigations. But it’s not, so they don’t. It's a really tough issue for many people on a spiritual level. I understand that the cat is not going back in the bag. Not to claim some sort of moral high ground, none of us are perfect. It's just a tough issue from a morality standpoint, for me, and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, TSOL said: It's a really tough issue for many people on a spiritual level. I understand that the cat is not going back in the bag. Not to claim some sort of moral high ground, none of us are perfect. It's just a tough issue from a morality standpoint, for me, and many others. I get that. And if one’s goal was to fix what they viewed as a problem, they should conduct a root cause analysis or study. If the problem is elective abortions, then we should ask: why are people getting elective abortions? There are likely many different reasons and I know there are studies on this very topic as well. If we’re not addressing the root causes of a problem, we’re are only treating the symptoms and not solving the problem. Best part is, many liberals would support policies combating some of the root causes, so there’s bipartisan potential there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I get that. And if one’s goal was to fix what they viewed as a problem, they should conduct a root cause analysis or study. If the problem is elective abortions, then we should ask: why are people getting elective abortions? There are likely many different reasons and I know there are studies on this very topic as well. If we’re not addressing the root causes of a problem, we’re are only treating the symptoms and not solving the problem. Best part is, many liberals would support policies combating some of the root causes, so there’s bipartisan potential there. Make them cost $3500 bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 hours ago, BillStime said: I wonder what proactive measures we can take to cut back on abortion? Is there anything we should impose on… men? Okay….I’m game….what would you suggest we impose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Okay….I’m game….what would you suggest we impose? You tell us what you’re willing to give - go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Oh brother. Keep right on cheering for abortion Tibs! (Not a good look.) You just make sure you stay consistent! We don't want you guys losing your morals just to win. 15 hours ago, TSOL said: You are right. It is, it's losing the GOP basically all women's vote. It's just so immoral though. You anti-abortion people really screwed the GOP over. Keep up the good work! On 11/7/2022 at 5:36 PM, B-Man said: Absolutely Dobbs Was Worth It BY: DAVID HARSANYI There’s little evidence the Dobbs decision is sinking Republicans Good old Federalist society! They pick our judges for us. Idiots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You just make sure you stay consistent! We don't want you guys losing your morals just to win. You anti-abortion people really screwed the GOP over. Keep up the good work! Good old Federalist society! They pick our judges for us. Idiots! I'm uncomfortable in a society where abortions are so popular. Also, the fact that planned Parenthood are strategically situated in the projects and on main bus routes across our nation, is seriously disturbing. But you guys get the baby killer vote so you should be so proud of yourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 30 minutes ago, TSOL said: I'm uncomfortable in a society where abortions are so popular. Also, the fact that planned Parenthood are strategically situated in the projects and on main bus routes across our nation, is seriously disturbing. But you guys get the baby killer vote so you should be so proud of yourselves So we can put you down as a YES for mandatory vasectomies for each male when they reach puberty that is only reversible when they are ready to start a family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: So we can put you down as a YES for mandatory vasectomies for each male when they reach puberty that is only reversible when they are ready to start a family? Sure, and I'll check you off in the "morally bankrupt" column. Fair enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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