aristocrat Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 https://x.com/katiescarlet2/status/1690828521214500864?s=46&t=WfwBbfFkRiZZWCMxTdpkOw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: With this, I'd say you aspire to willful ignorance. No, I try to find the actual facts. To believe that this was actually Joe Biden doing it on behalf of his son, you have to ignore that he was doing it on orders from the President, that our allies were all in support and that even the GOP witness said that Shokin was good for Burisma. “Archer’s congressional testimony mostly supported this claim. He claimed that he was told by others in Burisma’s D.C. office “that the firing of Shokin was bad for Burisma because he was under control.” So what’s more likely: 1. Hunter and Joe Biden tricked the entire western world into supporting firing Shokin so they could make money and then everybody decided to lie about it afterwards because… reasons?; or: 2. Occam’s Razor: Biden acted to enact US policy at the behest of the President and our allies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Doc said: Yeah, well, except that... Are you having this conversation, AGAIN? Do you want your A$$ handed to you, AGAIN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 8/7/2023 at 9:48 PM, BillStime said: Wow, this weird. The EU wanted the same guy gone, too? EU hails sacking of Ukraine’s prosecutor Viktor Shokin – The Irish Times In what appeared to be his last act before dismissal, Mr Shokin sacked his deputy, Davit Sakvarelidze, who had repeatedly called for his boss to be fired. Now why would Shokin's own deputy call for his boss to be fired? *** Whoa, what's this? Stop the appointment of Shokin “The nomination of Shokin is a shock” – shouted the participants of the manifestation in front of the Ukrainian Embassy in Warsaw. Ukrainians, Kazakhs and Warsaw residents gathered in front of the building and protested against the most recent changes in the Prosecutor General’s Office in Ukraine and the nomination of Victor Shokin to head the prosecutor’s office. WAIT A MINUTE "DOC" - BIDEN GOT ALL THESE UKRANIANS TO PROTEST THE NOMINATION OF SHOKIN? *** Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden DOC - OTHERS PUSHED FOR THIS GUY TO BE REMOVED BEFORE BIDEN GOT INVOLVED? *** Once again, if ANY OF THIS WAS REMOTELY TRUE - Trump's DOJ would have acted. Long live the psyops you pathetic simps. On 8/7/2023 at 9:53 PM, BillStime said: WAIT - THERE IS MORE @Doc - lmao KYIV POST: Demonstrators protest Shokin’s firing of anti-corruption prosecutors They protested against Shokin’s decision to fire subordinates of reformist Deputy Prosecutor General Davit Sakvarelidze working on corruption cases against prosecutors. I'm just shocked that BASEMENT BIDEN coordinated all of this!!! On 8/7/2023 at 10:07 PM, BillStime said: Now, @Doc - should Trump go after the IMF, too? IMF warning sparks Ukraine pledge on corruption and reform Lagarde threat to suspend $40bn aid package elicits swift response from Kiev *** Hey @Doc - did Biden collude with the European Council on Foreign Relations, too? No reforms, no aid for Ukraine *** Never forget: No f'n wonder the Trump DOJ did jack ***** about this PSYOP. @Doc - psyop'n with the best of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 Ahhh, you see Margot, they can't do any of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Ahhh, you see Margot, they can't do any of that... Now do these two: Or even Rudy Guliani's son who worked at the WH C'mon Karen - you can do it precious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: Why do all you cons pretend to be someone you're not. Are you embarrassed to be linked to MAGA's? I know I would be. Huh? When did liberals fall in lockstep with the government deep state? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Huh? When did liberals fall in lockstep with the government deep state? '16 broke them, they don't know their a$$ea from a hole in the ground anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: No, I try to find the actual facts. To believe that this was actually Joe Biden doing it on behalf of his son, you have to ignore that he was doing it on orders from the President, that our allies were all in support and that even the GOP witness said that Shokin was good for Burisma. “Archer’s congressional testimony mostly supported this claim. He claimed that he was told by others in Burisma’s D.C. office “that the firing of Shokin was bad for Burisma because he was under control.” So what’s more likely: 1. Hunter and Joe Biden tricked the entire western world into supporting firing Shokin so they could make money and then everybody decided to lie about it afterwards because… reasons?; or: 2. Occam’s Razor: Biden acted to enact US policy at the behest of the President and our allies. 1. Good point. I'm sure that it would have been harder to trick the entire Western world into supporting firing Shokin than, say, invading a country because they had WMDs, right? 2. Policy? What policy? Was Burisma investigated, seeing as how it was more likely after Shokin was fired? Was anyone prosecuted for corruption after Shokin was fired considering he was hindering it? Was Shokin prosecuted for corruption after he was fired considering Joke had to extort Ukraine to get him fired for not prosecuting people who still weren't prosecuted after he was fired? Don't worry, I'm sure you'll willfully ignore all these questions. Edited August 14, 2023 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, Doc said: 1. Good point. I'm sure that it would have been harder to trick the entire Western world into supporting firing Shokin than, say, invading a country because they had WMDs, right? 2. Policy? What policy? Was Burisma investigated, seeing as how it was more likely after Shokin was fired? Was anyone prosecuted for corruption after Shokin was fired considering he was hindering it? Was Shokin prosecuted for corruption after he was fired considering Joke had to extort Ukraine to get him fired for not prosecuting people who still weren't prosecuted after he was fired? Don't worry, I'm sure you'll willfully ignore all these questions. 1. Whataboutism. You’re just ignoring evidence because it’s inconvenient and throwing out strawman arguments because the facts don’t fit your narrative. 2. As a former Soviet Republic, Ukraine had a serious problem with corruption. The policy of the United States and its allies was that aid should be conditioned on combating corruption. Since Shokin was corrupt (per the GOP witness), they wanted him gone before they would render more aid. That being said, they did not (to my knowledge) have a Time Machine that would allow them to know that firing Shokin would solve all corruption in Ukraine. What they knew was that the top prosecutor was not interested in fighting corruption so they wanted him gone. Your argument is equivalent of saying that Doug Marrone wasn’t fired for incompetence because Rex Ryan ended up sucking. If your argument requires people being able to see the future or travel through time, it might not be a good argument. Maybe try to look at the facts as they were known at the time that action was being taken. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: 1. Whataboutism. You’re just ignoring evidence because it’s inconvenient and throwing out strawman arguments because the facts don’t fit your narrative. 2. As a former Soviet Republic, Ukraine had a serious problem with corruption. The policy of the United States and its allies was that aid should be conditioned on combating corruption. Since Shokin was corrupt (per the GOP witness), they wanted him gone before they would render more aid. That being said, they did not (to my knowledge) have a Time Machine that would allow them to know that firing Shokin would solve all corruption in Ukraine. What they knew was that the top prosecutor was not interested in fighting corruption so they wanted him gone. Your argument is equivalent of saying that Doug Marrone wasn’t fired for incompetence because Rex Ryan ended up sucking. If your argument requires people being able to see the future or travel through time, it might not be a good argument. Maybe try to look at the facts as they were known at the time that action was being taken. 1. Call it what you want. You made a statement that the Western world couldn't possibly have been tricked into doing something. I provided you with an example where countries were tricked into committing billions of dollars and thousands of lives versus merely firing one man... 2. They didn't need a time machine: they just needed to follow-through with their so-called policy. They didn't hence it appears for all the world that he was fired for investigating Burisma, where Joke's son sat on the board, for no reason other than to buy influence...like getting a prosecutor fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: 1. Whataboutism. You’re just ignoring evidence because it’s inconvenient and throwing out strawman arguments because the facts don’t fit your narrative. 2. As a former Soviet Republic, Ukraine had a serious problem with corruption. The policy of the United States and its allies was that aid should be conditioned on combating corruption. Since Shokin was corrupt (per the GOP witness), they wanted him gone before they would render more aid. That being said, they did not (to my knowledge) have a Time Machine that would allow them to know that firing Shokin would solve all corruption in Ukraine. What they knew was that the top prosecutor was not interested in fighting corruption so they wanted him gone. Your argument is equivalent of saying that Doug Marrone wasn’t fired for incompetence because Rex Ryan ended up sucking. If your argument requires people being able to see the future or travel through time, it might not be a good argument. Maybe try to look at the facts as they were known at the time that action was being taken. You have to be kidding, right? I mean seriously! You honestly believe that firing some ridiculous attorney in Ukraine is worth ONE BILLION DOLLARS to the United States of America? Honestly? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Huh? When did liberals fall in lockstep with the government deep state? When the appropriate price point was reached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: When the appropriate price point was reached. Nobody can possibly want universal healthcare this bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You have to be kidding, right? I mean seriously! You honestly believe that firing some ridiculous attorney in Ukraine is worth ONE BILLION DOLLARS to the United States of America? Honestly? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 And what do you believe? That Joe Biden conned Obama and the entire western world and Hunter’s business partner? There’s an entire other thread here with people complaining about corruption in Ukraine and you’re incredulous that the US would condition aid on combating corruption? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: And what do you believe? That Joe Biden conned Obama and the entire western world and Hunter’s business partner? There’s an entire other thread here with people complaining about corruption in Ukraine and you’re incredulous that the US would condition aid on combating corruption? Nice try. The US didn’t….Joe Biden did, for some really odd reason. He said so himself. How many knots are you guys going to tie yourselves into to justify this nonsense. Is universal healthcare that important to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 3 hours ago, BillStime said: @Doc - psyop'n with the best of them... they don't care. truth is the enemy to these fools. They're either trolls or in need of lobotomies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 You guys on the left are too easy to trick. It's like elementary school level. That's why the country is in the mess it's in. Too many stupid gullible people. Free your minds for crissake 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nice try. The US didn’t….Joe Biden did, for some really odd reason. He said so himself. How many knots are you guys going to tie yourselves into to justify this nonsense. Is universal healthcare that important to you? This flies in the face of facts and reality. Biden was the VP. He was acting on the authority of the President. Basically every reputable source rejects your position. Logic rejects your position. I have no idea why you bring up universal healthcare except maybe as a distraction because your position is based on feelings instead of facts. The whole theory requires not only that Joe Biden is so devious and cunning that he went against US policy but somehow then got Obama and all our allies to pretend that was the plan all along and then, instead of keeping quiet about his corruption, he literally goes on stage and brags about it. It makes absolutely no sense unless you start with the conclusion you want and ignore everything that contradicts it, no matter how overwhelming. But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim. It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe. Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament. *** Republicans asked Archer if he was aware that Shokin was investigating Burisma, and Archer said he had actually heard from associates in Washington, D.C., that “Shokin was under control” from Burisma’s persective and that whoever might replace him would be a bigger threat to the company. “I was spun a narrative that Shokin was good for Burisma,” Archer said. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: This flies in the face of facts and reality. Biden was the VP. He was acting on the authority of the President. Basically every reputable source rejects your position. Logic rejects your position. I have no idea why you bring up universal healthcare except maybe as a distraction because your position is based on feelings instead of facts. The whole theory requires not only that Joe Biden is so devious and cunning that he went against US policy but somehow then got Obama and all our allies to pretend that was the plan all along and then, instead of keeping quiet about his corruption, he literally goes on stage and brags about it. It makes absolutely no sense unless you start with the conclusion you want and ignore everything that contradicts it, no matter how overwhelming. But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim. It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe. Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament. *** Republicans asked Archer if he was aware that Shokin was investigating Burisma, and Archer said he had actually heard from associates in Washington, D.C., that “Shokin was under control” from Burisma’s persective and that whoever might replace him would be a bigger threat to the company. “I was spun a narrative that Shokin was good for Burisma,” Archer said. Lots and lots of words there Goose. So you mean to tell everyone that Adam Schiff impeached Trump for merely asking about corruption that WASN’T happening? Do you even listen to yourself at all? Unbelievable! 😂😂😂😂 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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