leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, Kemp said: No. It's the prices to attend university in America. Between 2009-10 and 2019-20, the total cost of attendance (fees, tuition, room, and board) saw an increase of 39.9% at public 4-year schools. At private 4-year schools, costs grew 44.2%. Between 1999-2000 and 2009-10, the cost of attendance at nonprofit private institutions grew from $20,989 per year to $34,920, an annual growth rate of 6.6%. During the same period, for-profit private institutions increased the cost of attendance from $16,124 to $24,118, a 5.0% annual growth rate. From 2009-10 to 2019-20, private nonprofits increased costs to $48,824, an annual growth rate of 4.0%. In the same period, private for-profits increased costs to $27,563, growing at an annual rate of 1.4%. Between 1999-2000 and 2019-20, tuition at the average 4-year institution increased 136.5%, an annual rate of 6.8%. Between 2009-10 and 2019-20, those who chose not to incur debt for higher education had zero debt associated with higher education. Those individuals saw a 0.0% increase in their monthly payment of $0.00. You're wrong, as usual, spectacularly so in this case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Between 2009-10 and 2019-20, those who chose not to incur debt for higher education had zero debt associated with higher education. Those individuals saw a 0.0% increase in their monthly payment of $0.00. You're wrong, as usual, spectacularly so in this case. yes, many are now maga party faithful earning minimum wage. Edited August 14, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Between 2009-10 and 2019-20, those who chose not to incur debt for higher education had zero debt associated with higher education. Those individuals saw a 0.0% increase in their monthly payment of $0.00. You're wrong, as usual, spectacularly so in this case. What came first in regards to higher education? Rising prices or borrowing? Do you believe that only the wealthy should have a shot at a good education? By the way, we're still in the thread that says Joe took bribes. I've told you multiple times that there's still no evidence. You have yet to acknowledge my statement as accurate. It's you that can't face up to that fact. You always indignantly step away when confronted. Do it again. Prove again that you can't dispute this with evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, many arenow maga party faithful earning minimum wage. Maybe. Ironically, if all goes as planned, contributing to paying off student loans for the well-heeled debtor class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Maybe. Ironically, if all goes as planned, contributing to paying off student loans for the well-heeled debtor class. most are smart enough to go to schools with good ROI. It's the dummies that went to trump U. Edited August 14, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: As long as it's honest. Lying is the MO of much of the right now. It's normalized in that sad tribe. There are no horizons. Just the abyss. cultural nihilism which lead to nazism last century is prevalent. I guess it's a common response to being losers who feel they can't win without cheating. My SIL, who was dean of a community college (you know, a person that is supposed to encourage free thought and whatnot,) has thrown out two of my books because she didn't like the authors. If you've ever read any of the O'Reilly "killing" books they aren't political at all, just factual. Not really sure about the Ann Coulter book, didn't get a chance to read it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Steve O said: My SIL, who was dean of a community college (you know, a person that is supposed to encourage free thought and whatnot,) has thrown out two of my books because she didn't like the authors. If you've ever read any of the O'Reilly "killing" books they aren't political at all, just factual. Not really sure about the Ann Coulter book, didn't get a chance to read it. I guess if you're living with her, it's her prerogative. Kinda like Fla. I personally wouldn't live under those circumstances....Perhaps she doesn't want you to become a casualty of victim mentality. From a review in Slate: "The other key ingredients in a Killing book include, naturally, a persecuted protagonist, who is self-evidently a great man and a great American, or failing that, our Lord and Savior. Preferably, the hero will be surrounded by a couple of other great men, even if they are also his (worthy) opponents. Lincoln has Ulysses S. Grant but also Robert E. Lee; Patton has Erwin Rommel, who like Patton is praised for being “a soldier to the end.”* At least one contemptible naysayer is also a must—the assassin, or would-be assassin, of course, as well as figures like Richard Nixon, who underestimates Reagan, or the snooty Pharisees, who fear that Jesus will endanger their cushy gigs as “arrogant, self-righteous men who love their exalted class status far more than any religious belief system.” Edited August 14, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Hey Karen - you need to update the title on this thread - it's now up to $50M per Fox News - lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We can disagree on this one, that's fine with me. In my opinion, it's absolutely the role of the government to provide for infrastructure and provide for the health and well-being of the less fortunate. That's not to suggest that it's solely the government's job, but it's part of the process in civilized society. The problem is always scale. I start with this concept--paying taxes is the patriotic thing to do, and I have no fundamental problem with a progressive tax burden. I seem to recall you're a flat taxer, and that's fine too, but my problem is that the tax burden is too great, that government spending is out of control, and there literally can never be enough money to be spent, much of it yours and mine. I do not think that income tax in and of itself is a problem. I'll steer clear of any lengthy discussion on Constitutional authority, I'm just telling you the way I see it. Interesting. I guess providing for the common defense fell off the table some time back. I must’ve missed that. 😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Kemp said: What came first in regards to higher education? Rising prices or borrowing? Do you believe that only the wealthy should have a shot at a good education? By the way, we're still in the thread that says Joe took bribes. I've told you multiple times that there's still no evidence. You have yet to acknowledge my statement as accurate. It's you that can't face up to that fact. You always indignantly step away when confronted. Do it again. Prove again that you can't dispute this with evidence. As usual, I'll answer, you'll realize you didn't think through your questions, and off we go. What came first? The decision to incur the debt. Some incur $0. Some incur modest amounts. Some incur significant amounts. Some incur excessive amounts. These facts are indisputable, but I encourage you to dispute them. Rising cost or borrowing? The cost of higher education has been rising for decades. The decision to borrow money (from $0 to excessive) is made on an individual level. Some decide to incur $0 debt. Some decide to incur modest amounts. Some decide to incur significant amounts. Some decide to incur excessive amounts. These facts, too, are indisputable, but have at it. I don't believe 'only the wealthy have a shot at a good education', making this a silly question generally, and indicative of the victim mentality I referenced previously. There are many, many, many options for people from humble means to pursue an education. While anecdotal, I know of hundreds, if not thousands of people who attended college and did not come from wealthy families. You're probably getting confused because you're a blue blood, while my people were blue collar. Near as I can recall, I haven't stated that JB "took bribes", and I believe I would remember that. Maybe you have me confused with another poster? Be that as it may, since you asked, I have no idea if JB took bribes. I don't know with certainty that he did anything illegal, crafted policy in exchange for money, or peddled influence to enrich himself, his relatives, or his dopey son. I know an investigation is ongoing, and that members of Congress have stated quite loudly that JB is dirty, and I tend to believe them. On the other hand, he could end up being pure as the driven snow. I think the best course of action is to pursue this matter vigorously and thoroughly, with testimony under oath, and that JB and fam should submit all the financial records requested by the committee. The best thing that can come from this is JB gets a little dinged up and huffy for having to comply, but we find out that he's an OK Joe. It'll be cathartic, you know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: most are smart enough to go to schools with good ROI. It's the dummies that went to trump U. The best ROI will come from forgiveness of the debt, which is why it's so popular. On the other hand, one could question whether or not the ROI was adequate when it doesn't provide sufficient funding for the coursework. 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Interesting. I guess providing for the common defense fell off the table some time back. I must’ve missed that. 😉 Oh yeah, that too. My list wasn't all-inclusive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 Now why do we suppose that the FBI would do such a thing? To all those who have said they wish for Hunter to be held accountable and there's no evidence of Joes involvement, why do YOU suppose the FBI would go to these lengths to protect a private citizen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 Still no evidence. stupid should absolutely hurt. FYI, there are a few outstanding bills that need to be paid and I am not sure which ones are a priority and which should get paid out of 'my' account,'" Schwerin wrote in the email to Hunter. He then says there is "about $2,000 extra in 'my' account beyond what is used for monthly expenses." A few days later, Schwerin wrote to Hunter that one of the contractors was "hassling me so I am paying a couple of the smaller things since I haven't heard from your Dad." This suggests that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden divided the Ukrainian bribe and the CEFC China Energy deal equally, exactly like Hunter mentioned to his daughter, "But don't worry unlike Pop I won't make you give me half your salary." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Chris farley said: ^^^^^^^^^^ gaslighting, projection, Godwins law all in one comment. The liberal trifecta! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Still no evidence. stupid should absolutely hurt. FYI, there are a few outstanding bills that need to be paid and I am not sure which ones are a priority and which should get paid out of 'my' account,'" Schwerin wrote in the email to Hunter. He then says there is "about $2,000 extra in 'my' account beyond what is used for monthly expenses." A few days later, Schwerin wrote to Hunter that one of the contractors was "hassling me so I am paying a couple of the smaller things since I haven't heard from your Dad." This suggests that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden divided the Ukrainian bribe and the CEFC China Energy deal equally, exactly like Hunter mentioned to his daughter, "But don't worry unlike Pop I won't make you give me half your salary." So wait, it's actually 50% for "the Big Guy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 30 minutes ago, Doc said: So wait, it's actually 50% for "the Big Guy"? Well according to Hunter it's half his salary to Pop.... Cue the left....he meant Cornpop! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 19 hours ago, redtail hawk said: I guess if you're living with her, it's her prerogative. Kinda like Fla. I personally wouldn't live under those circumstances....Perhaps she doesn't want you to become a casualty of victim mentality. From a review in Slate: Not sure how you got to this assumption, she, my brother and their kids were visiting my home for Christmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Steve O said: Not sure how you got to this assumption, she, my brother and their kids were visiting my home for Christmas. Then I'd make her (or my brother) buy me new ones - if I were into fiction. Edited August 15, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share Posted August 17, 2023 Of course those of us actually paying attention have been aware of the pseudonym for awhile now... Pseudonyms and a web of LLCs.. Totally legit! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Of course those of us actually paying attention have been aware of the pseudonym for awhile now... Pseudonyms and a web of LLCs.. Totally legit! Bobby Peters? Didn’t he play cornerback for the Bills a few years back? 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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