Dopey Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I'd love to line up these anti-vaxxers (and that is what they are) and have them list every drug they've ingested and injection they've had and have them explain their reasoning and expertise on each and every one. But letting down their teammates over this makes perfect sense. That would be none of your business. You're just a fan. You ain't as important as you think you are. Edited December 25, 2021 by Dopey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, nucci said: I think they're concerned as it relates to them not being able to play tomorrow Next man up. Davis fought for and earned this playing time but now he’s going to miss two games. Who is to say the guy behind him doesn’t do what he’s done and all of a sudden he’s not so golden? It may appear selfish but he made this decision with I am sure a lot of thought - it could affect him personally and $ wise - if his value isn’t quite what the coaches thought. Edited December 25, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Next man up. Davis fought for and earned this playing time but now he’s going to miss two games. Who is to say the guy behind him doesn’t do what he’s done and all of a sudden he’s not so golden? It may appear selfish but he made this decision with I am sure a lot of thought - it could affect him personally and $ wise - if his value isn’t quite what the coaches thought. This. (I'd like to think it was with a lot of thought - I have concerns it was with a lot of mis- or incomplete information but that's another day) Example: Justin Zimmer fought for a roster spot and earned playing time with the Bills. His snaps were trending up at the start of the season ahead of Harrison Phillips. Now Zimmer is on season-ending IR and Phillips seems to be doing what the coaches want with his snaps. Tough luck for Zimmer, better chance of a payday for Phillips. A 4th round pick isn't enough investment to guarantee a guy a spot at the table for a second contract, or even a second look elsewhere. This was Davis golden opportunity to shine and show the Bills coaches (and a lot of other coaches) what he could do when he saw a bigger role on the field. Now it's someone else's opportunity to shine and show what they can do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, Dopey said: That would be none of your business. You're just a fan. You ain't as important as you think you are. On the one hand, I agree with you, a player's private health decisions are not our business. I 100% support players saying "gonna keep that to myself" when asked if they've been vaxxed. On the other hand, the NFL exists and the players get paid because the fans are, well, Fans - we buy PSLs, tickets, concessions, team merchandise, player brand merchandise, watch games on TV, pay for Gamepass. Players invite us fans into their business with social media accounts because it "builds their brand" and sells their "Tre White Goalie Academy" or "Felic Navidad" shirts. The NFL encourages fantasy football and Madden and so forth because it "fans" (see what I did there?) interest in the game and helps the NFL land big television contracts that are the heart of their income stream - and thus, the heart of why players get paid. At the base of it, it's fan support that makes the NFL the NFL and gives the players their paydays. So then when it comes down to availability for a critical game, isn't it a little two-faced to turn around at that point and diss off the fans with "you're just a fan, you ain't important" if a fan has questions about why crucial players aren't available because of the collision between their personal health decisions and the NFL's clearly publicized (ahead of the season) rules? See what I mean? It's not that guy's questions in particular ("every drug they've ingested and every injection they've had" seriously? that's a bit over the top!) But it does seem legit for fans to have questions when it affects players' availability. And it's a fair point that players who cite stuff like "need more information" "only been out a year" etc sometimes seem willing to take other treatments (the Covid mAb therapy for example) that have been out for "less than a year" and have significant side effects, or therapies that have no solid data supporting their benefit such as the popular "recovery" IV therapies - and players have had debilitating side effects when those go wrong. 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: On the one hand, I agree with you, a player's private health decisions are not our business. I 100% support players saying "gonna keep that to myself" when asked if they've been vaxxed. On the other hand, the NFL exists and the players get paid because the fans are, well, Fans - we buy PSLs, tickets, concessions, team merchandise, player brand merchandise, watch games on TV, pay for Gamepass. Players invite us fans into their business with social media accounts because it "builds their brand" and sells their "Tre White Goalie Academy" or "Felic Navidad" shirts. The NFL encourages fantasy football and Madden and so forth because it "fans" (see what I did there?) interest in the game and helps the NFL land big television contracts that are the heart of their income stream - and thus, the heart of why players get paid. At the base of it, it's fan support that makes the NFL the NFL and gives the players their paydays. So then when it comes down to availability for a critical game, isn't it a little two-faced to turn around at that point and diss off the fans with "you're just a fan, you ain't important" if a fan has questions about why crucial players aren't available because of the collision between their personal health decisions and the NFL's clearly publicized (ahead of the season) rules? See what I mean? It's not that guy's questions in particular ("every drug they've ingested and every injection they've had" seriously? that's a bit over the top!) But it does seem legit for fans to have questions when it affects players' availability. Yes, the situation is more complex than a purely private situation. If fans get mad at Star for his availability issues, this is a form of that issue. (And I am generally pretty amenable to the dissenting view on this particular matter because I find the government intrusion/media propaganda coercive, moralizing, and selectively hostile to protest.) Nonetheless, if you are paid as an entertainer and can't show up for a performance, expect backlash. Add in the decades of support involved in sports' fandom and the limited windows most teams have for a legit chance at a SB -- how many Bills' fans have lost loved ones over the years who missed out on a championship -- it's a real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, nucci said: You're good. Merry Christmas Ohhh it's a Christmas miracle!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said: Ohhh it's a Christmas miracle!!! The miracle is the OL playing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes I would. I have faith in the millions of doctors who support it and have gotten vaccinated (approximately 98%) over the mesa candidates Davis & Beasley. Of course, when us "sheep" are all walking zombies, you'll have the last laugh.....😜 My doctor said he isn’t taking that *****. Exact words lol 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 56 minutes ago, 97bills said: My doctor said he isn’t taking that *****. Exact words lol So again he is smarter then the other 98%.... Did he graduate from Harvard? Yes inquiring minds want to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Kendrick Bourne made it off the covid list in time for this game because he wasn't required to stay on it for 10 days. Beasley is out at least this week no matter what and Davis is out until at least the Jets game no matter what. That's the risk a bunch of our players decided to take and we're worse off for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Kendrick Bourne made it off the covid list in time for this game because he wasn't required to stay on it for 10 days. Beasley is out at least this week no matter what and Davis is out until at least the Jets game no matter what. That's the risk a bunch of our players decided to take and we're worse off for it. It’s actually only very few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: It’s actually only very few We know of 4 for certain, all of which have had to miss at least one critical game. Davis is going to miss at least two no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: We know of 4 for certain, all of which have had to miss at least one critical game. Davis is going to miss at least two no matter what. Yes, it’s only about 5 players total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: So again he is smarter then the other 98%.... Did he graduate from Harvard? Yes inquiring minds want to know. Even if he did, doesn't matter. There are plenty of quacks out there, obviously including in the medical field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said: Even if he did, doesn't matter. There are plenty of quacks out there, obviously including in the medical field. And 98% disagree with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: So again he is smarter then the other 98%.... Did he graduate from Harvard? Yes inquiring minds want to know. I don’t no man, it did catch me off guard but then I started to lough. But after that I started to ask him why he didn’t want to take it. And he said he wasn’t a fan of new medicine. 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: ...You see a Witch Doctor? Maybe so, but his still human and can have his on opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, 97bills said: I don’t no man, it did catch me off guard but then I started to lough. But after that I started to ask him why he didn’t want to take it. And he said he wasn’t a fan of new medicine. Maybe so, but his still human and can have his on opinion. Please get yourself a new doctor, for your own sake. In the meantime, uhh, I guess enjoy your leech treatments and remember not to touch yourself or your palms will get hairy. Not like new medicine has ever really helped anything, ya know? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: Please get yourself a new doctor, for your own sake. In the meantime, uhh, I guess enjoy your leech treatments and remember not to touch yourself or your palms will get hairy. Not like new medicine has ever really helped anything, ya know? Grow up dude, I said what a doctor told me and your acting like a child, I hope your 19 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, 97bills said: Grow up dude, I said what a doctor told me and your acting like a child, I hope your 19 Learning to spell and grammar wouldn't be a bad thing for you to think about too... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, 97bills said: Grow up dude, I said what a doctor told me and your acting like a child, I hope your 19 I'm 12 and I never learned to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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