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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow 

You seem to be more worried about Putin than actual Ukrainians are. You’re busy fear mongering online while they’re busy going to beaches, shops, and restaurants in a city that has has supposedly been “under siege”.

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4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Oh, we are only helping Ukraine because of defence contractors? That's stupid. You are not making a serious point. But, carry on 

You don't understand what you are talking about. You are just a bag of hot air. 

 

You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow 

Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about.  Thanks for setting me straight.  I finally understand that the US military industrial complex, or establishment, or deep state, or global empire if you please, is in reality an altruistic organization spreading good will and cheer across the globe asking nothing in return.  Now I see the light.  How could I possibly have thought they're a bunch of raging psychopaths intend on waging continuous war forever and have no regard for life or liberty?  And what a tremendous record of success!  Its just amazing how well its going for the Ukrainians compared to life before the Americans showed up on the scene in 2014.  I can't wait to see which lucky country we're going to "help" next.

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2 hours ago, gobills404 said:

You seem to be more worried about Putin than actual Ukrainians are. You’re busy fear mongering online while they’re busy going to beaches, shops, and restaurants in a city that has has supposedly been “under siege”.

What conclusion do you draw from people going to a beach? 

 

Do you not know that the Russians have been driven back from Kyiv? That's pretty common knowledge 

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about.  Thanks for setting me straight.  I finally understand that the US military industrial complex, or establishment, or deep state, or global empire if you please, is in reality an altruistic organization spreading good will and cheer across the globe asking nothing in return.  Now I see the light.  How could I possibly have thought they're a bunch of raging psychopaths intend on waging continuous war forever and have no regard for life or liberty?  And what a tremendous record of success!  Its just amazing how well its going for the Ukrainians compared to life before the Americans showed up on the scene in 2014.  I can't wait to see which lucky country we're going to "help" next.

Your point is just really stupid

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Top Russian security official questions whether Ukraine will 'exist on the map' in 2 years

Ukraine looks to secure oil to heat homes and power businesses ahead of the winter months

 

Ukrainian energy officials are rushing to secure natural gas supplies to heat homes and power businesses ahead of the autumn and winter months as Russia’s war continues to devastate the nation. 

 

Officials reportedly met with the Biden administration earlier this month in an attempt to secure funding for gas imports from top suppliers in the Middle East.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-security-official-questions-ukraine-existence

 

Putin has good timing to hurt the US and EU the most right after covid.

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Hmmmmmm.

 

Pope Francis says Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’

 

Pope Francis has said Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine was “perhaps somehow provoked” as he recalled a conversation in the run-up to the war in which he was warned Nato was “barking at the gates of Russia”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Your point is just really stupid

OK.  I give up!  You're lucid and ingenious response (that my point is really stupid) to what I incorrectly believed was a coherent argument has got the best of me.  In the face of your overwhelming brilliance how could  my argument citing the history and record of our government's propensity to engage in endless wars for almost 25 years with nothing tangible to show for it except mountains of debt, thousands of American soldiers dead, wounded, or disabled, and countless civilian deaths in almost a dozen countries have anything to do with the desire to get involved in yet another war!   

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2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

OK.  I give up!  You're lucid and ingenious response (that my point is really stupid) to what I incorrectly believed was a coherent argument has got the best of me.  In the face of your overwhelming brilliance how could  my argument citing the history and record of our government's propensity to engage in endless wars for almost 25 years with nothing tangible to show for it except mountains of debt, thousands of American soldiers dead, wounded, or disabled, and countless civilian deaths in almost a dozen countries have anything to do with the desire to get involved in yet another war!   

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Ukraine , Finland and Sweden are not NATO members no  threat to Russia . 

 Switzerland has historically maintained a neutral status; its army did not participate in either world war.  Switzerland's defence ministry is eyeing closer co-operation with Nato in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.May 17, 2022

Now Finland and Sweden want to join NATO due to Ukraine invasion

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8 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Ah, another 1 billion to Ukraine. I guess Biden is content to just continue writing them a blank check. I’m fine with selling them weapons. But giving them handouts has to stop sometime, right? 

Nope, keep the money coming. Putin in cheering on your efforts though 

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On 6/15/2022 at 12:49 PM, Tiberius said:

Nope, keep the money coming. Putin in cheering on your efforts though 

You personally should TOTALLY pay more in federal income tax to help Ukraine, Tibs!  That would FOR SURE show Putin that you mean business!

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2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

You personally should TOTALLY pay more in federal income tax to help Ukraine, Tibs!  That would FOR SURE show Putin that you mean business!

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Sure thing! 

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28 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Crippling sanctions!! 

 

 

The only things that this sad episode has proven is...........

 

Ukraine Bravery

 

Russian Stubbornness  

 

Biden Administration naivety.

 

 

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