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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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4 minutes ago, Westside said:

You and Putin are guilty of the same kind of propaganda. He wants to eliminate by any way possible Ukrainians. 
You want to eliminate anyone who disagrees with you. Even fellow democrats. You both share the same ideology. 
Are you a war criminal?

 

Finally a reasonable voice. 

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20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bombarding civilian areas for terror is a war crime, imo.  

You don't think Putin is a war criminal? 

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

You use the terms "civilian areas," and "for terror."

Who gets to make those judgements, because in the last two decades or so, I've seen that "opinion" thrown around in just about every conflict.

 

Regarding Putin, he has already murdered and attempted to murder dissidents.

He is pretty much guilty of everything.

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3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

You use the terms "civilian areas," and "for terror."

Who gets to make those judgements, because in the last two decades or so, I've seen that "opinion" thrown around in just about every conflict.

 

Regarding Putin, he has already murdered and attempted to murder dissidents.

He is pretty much guilty of everything.

Well, I'm making the judgement. He is bombarding civilian areas to terrorize the people. He's allowing "cease fires" and then shelling the places. Bombing schools, hospitals and residential areas, especially in a war of imperial conquest, is a war crime. The whole war is really a crime, but the wasting of civilians is another level. 

 

Who will judge him on a larger level? Probably no one. He will hide behind his nukes. 

 

I realize that Nuremberg was ex post facto law, but I don't care. Not many people do. 

 

Chemical warfare against helpless civilians will simply make it impossible for leaders not to label him a war criminal 

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22 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

If Trump were POTUS - Ukraine would not exist today.

 

 

If he was president Putin wouldn't have invaded because the US would have been producing & selling more oil to our EU allies rather than asking all the other communist countries to sell us their oil plus Trump has balls & knows how to be a stronger leader than what is in there now .

 

This bumbling idiot doesn't have a clue & Putin along with China watched as he totally screwed up the with drawl from Afghanistan not to mention how his people screwed up the submarine deal .

 

Then they will still be watching how he handles our now energy crisis which he has created he doesn't have brains enough to just go back to what was being done before he took office this num nuts thinks electric is the solution & when hep all the regulations back on drilling & fracking he totally screwed th eAmerican people which has been proven by watching gas prices increase ever since he took office .

 

Which intern has weakened the US economy world wide but you will never see or admit these stupid actions of this administration & like them will try to blame it all on Putin because you can't see the forest for the tree's but it was set in motion a little over a year ago Putin is going to help push it even higher with his actions .

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2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Olivia Dalton.  And every Psaki presser.  The Left is using this accusation (disinformation) ad nauseam since Covid and its by design.   

 

 

 

 

Speaking of Covid.  If I believe our government deliberately lied about Covid for 2 years (everyone but President DeSantis) then I pretty much no longer trust anything they say.  

 

In its moment when the leaders of the free world (and this includes Trump who I believe was boxed in and knew this was being used to defeat him) had their moment to actually stand up for freedom and liberty, it cowered and hid - deliberately or out of fear.  Both are disgusting.  

No one was speaking of Covid. Holy conflation.

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

If he was president Putin wouldn't have invaded because the US would have been producing & selling more oil to our EU allies rather than asking all the other communist countries to sell us their oil plus Trump has balls & knows how to be a stronger leader than what is in there now .

 

This bumbling idiot doesn't have a clue & Putin along with China watched as he totally screwed up the with drawl from Afghanistan not to mention how his people screwed up the submarine deal .

 

Then they will still be watching how he handles our now energy crisis which he has created he doesn't have brains enough to just go back to what was being done before he took office this num nuts thinks electric is the solution & when hep all the regulations back on drilling & fracking he totally screwed th eAmerican people which has been proven by watching gas prices increase ever since he took office .

 

Which intern has weakened the US economy world wide but you will never see or admit these stupid actions of this administration & like them will try to blame it all on Putin because you can't see the forest for the tree's but it was set in motion a little over a year ago Putin is going to help push it even higher with his actions .

Yeah, all those LNG exports to europe would mean the EU wouldnt need russian gas somehow preventing a war to make sure Russia doesnt have the EU and NATO at their doorstep....

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6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Sheesh…I’m sure they have one but we certainly haven’t seen it in action. Have you? 

 

Well, what are you looking for as proof?

 

The war was supposed to be over in 96 hours, we're on day 16 and the Russians have lost over a thousand vehicles alone.  They still haven't taken any major cities.  That's pretty strong evidence that "organized" resistance is happening.

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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Sheesh…I’m sure they have one but we certainly haven’t seen it in action. Have you? 

Do you think civilian militias are operating drones, flying jets, and launching counter attacks against the Russian convoys?  Yeah, I've seen it.

 

When faced with a force 10x your size you aren't going to roll out your tanks to face the enemy head on unless you have Putin level military acumen.  Ukrainian military is ambushing the Russians at every turn.

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9 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Do you think Lavrovs claims about US biowarfare in Ukraine are credible?

 

Yes, but he's throwing stones from a glass house. Every country in the world is playing with this crap, and that's why you'll never get a straight answer on the origins of Covid.

 

 

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2 hours ago, 716er said:


Do you think Lavrovs claims about biowarfare are credible? I think that was the question.

 

Havent seen a dodge like that since Eddie Robinson whiffed on Pennington.

 

Lavrov is Baghadad Bob.

 

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised that that at least half from what you are hearing from the Ukrainians is untrue as well.  Let's not forget that Ukrainians are cut from the same cloth as the Russians.  

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30 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Do you think civilian militias are operating drones, flying jets, and launching counter attacks against the Russian convoys?  Yeah, I've seen it.

 

When faced with a force 10x your size you aren't going to roll out your tanks to face the enemy head on unless you have Putin level military acumen.  Ukrainian military is ambushing the Russians at every turn.

 

By the numbers Ukraine's active duty military is about the same number as the Russian invading force, about 200k. Then they have 100k reservists, and 100k veterans. Add to that the people's militia aka territorial defense force, and they outnumber Russia 4 to 1.

 

The Russian advantage is in the number of tanks, planes, artillery and missles. Which is why they are using  ambush tactics. 

 

I think we have to remember that Ukraine landmass is the size of Texas with 15 million more people. I can't imagine how an invading force of 200k could possibly take the state of Texas. Because like in Ukraine, we know the entire state would fight. 

 

So the 200k Russian force is up against 400k Ukrainians soldiers, a militia, and the 40 million citizens that haven't fled.

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3 hours ago, 716er said:


Do you think Lavrovs claims about biowarfare are credible? I think that was the question.

 

Havent seen a dodge like that since Eddie Robinson whiffed on Pennington.

 

She didn't say biowarfare.  She said bio activities.

 

Yes they're credible because we just admitted (after media/democrat denial all last week and more *shocker* "that's disinformation" charges for saying we do and we're falling for Russian propaganda) that indeed there are bio weapons labs in Ukraine we are somehow involved in.

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Lavrov is Baghadad Bob.

 

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised that that at least half from what you are hearing from the Ukrainians is untrue as well.  Let's not forget that Ukrainians are cut from the same cloth as the Russians.  

Not half. We can see the bombs falling and their country being ruined right on CNN. They are being massacred pure and simple 

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3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

She didn't say biowarfare.  She said bio activities.

 

Yes they're credible because we just admitted (after media/democrat denial all last week and more *shocker* "that's disinformation" charges) that indeed there are bio weapons labs in Ukraine we are somehow involved in.

 

 

 

Who is creditable? 

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2 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Keep digging. You'll tie this into your Fauci conspiracy eventually.

 

 

Keep dodging and being a dupe.  

 

I answered your question.  You cower like you see germs everywhere.

 

It's a simple question.  Do we have a bio lab there yes or no

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