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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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8 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

young people cannot buy a house. they will never pay back their student debt which is scheduled to start again very soon. they are being told that they must buy the most expensive vehicles if they wish to continue to have free transit. prices so you can't go out. small buisness can't survive.  anyone that was working scraping together week to week BEFORE all this is completely bankrupt now and your asked if you believe this? 

 

yes....... i believe what's right in front of me.

And some people are making a killing selling their homes. Two sides to things 

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27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You criticized UNICEF earlier. I am am getting ready to send in a donation to help out. Was your criticism legit or were you just emotionally acting out? 

 

If they are bad, I'll donate somewhere else 

Wow 

 

I'm not sure what their efficiency is in this new tragedy, but this link points out direct ways to donate regarding the issue:

 

https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/9-highly-rated-charities-donate-safely-to-help-ukraine

 

 

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8 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

young people cannot buy a house. they will never pay back their student debt which is scheduled to start again very soon. they are being told that they must buy the most expensive vehicles if they wish to continue to have free transit. prices so you can't go out. small buisness can't survive.  anyone that was working scraping together week to week BEFORE all this is completely bankrupt now and your asked if you believe this? 

 

yes....... i believe what's right in front of me.

 

Define young. 

 

I bought my first (and so far only) house at age 27. Pretty average for my friend group. No one helped me with the down payment and it needed a lot of work that in the first round of repairs over 5 years, we did ourselves or with help from some friends who we paid back helping them. 

 

In my experience, most young people today want a new maintenance free home and those cost about 2x to 3x what an older "starter home" might cost. Yes inflation sucks but so do expectations. 

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On 3/12/2022 at 7:10 AM, Motorin' said:

 

I agree that no one is invading Texas anytime soon. Would be stupid as hell. 

 

But I think you're a seriously underestimating the Ukrainians. They've been at war with Russia for the last 8 years. 

 

 

The Battle of Kyiv is starting soon:

https://kyivindependent.com/national/russia-concentrates-military-power-for-kyiv-assault/

Yeah, you are probably right.  I have no idea of their capabilities or strategy, I just know you don't mess with Texas.

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Mass graves return in war-torn cities

Heavy Russian bombardments have forced residents of some Ukrainian towns and cities to bury dead civilians in makeshift mass graves - and many victims have not been identified.

"We can't bury [the victims] in private graves, as those are outside the city and the perimeter is controlled by Russian troops," Mariupol's deputy mayor Serhiy Orlov told the BBC.

For nearly two weeks Mariupol, a strategic port city, has been battered daily by Russian rockets and shells. The thousands of residents, short of food and water, are hiding in cellars.

In Bucha, a suburb of Kyiv captured by the Russians, 67 bodies were buried in a trench, a local MP told the BBC. A doctor posted video of the burial on Facebook.

And besieged Chernihiv in the north is also using a temporary cemetery, as the fighting has made the main one inaccessible.

The unceremonious burials are shocking for Ukrainians who expect Christian rites, and who have bitter memories of World War Two massacres.

Read further details on this story in full here.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60717902

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky early Monday warned that it's "only a matter of time" before Russian missiles strike a NATO country, amid reports that Russia's invading forces had escalated airstrikes on western Ukraine over Sunday night.

 

https://www.axios.com/russia-intensifieswestern-ukraine-attacks-0304ffe0-da64-4fdf-b6cc-cd4154cb20cc.html

 

 

Ok.

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5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Yep.  Global freaking distraction that is getting innocent people killed

 

 

 

 

 

Here's three options: 1. The war in Ukraine was globally planned by the US government in cahoots with their globalist overlords to distract from x, y and Covid 19...

 

2. Putin alone is responsible for the decision to invade Ukraine because he thought no one would standup to him and Ukraine would just roll over. 

 

3. Neither of these articulate the truth, the truth is: ________________________.

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On 3/13/2022 at 8:08 PM, Big Blitz said:

When Mitt Romney is accusing ... anyone of treason.....you know your entire U.S. government is compromised.  

 

Your *leaders* are not in control. 

 

 


i guess ol Mitt needs to go after Nuland too, who testified to Congress there are us funded biolabs in Ukraine … like Tulsi said. 🤔 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Here's three options: 1. The war in Ukraine was globally planned by the US government in cahoots with their globalist overlords to distract from x, y and Covid 19...

 

2. Putin alone is responsible for the decision to invade Ukraine because he thought no one would standup to him and Ukraine would just roll over. 

 

3. Neither of these articulate the truth, the truth is: ________________________.

3- impossible to know, everyone has their corrupt lairs backstopped by their respective propaganda machines. 
 

Putin is a savage, not so sure they all aren’t though. 

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On 2/22/2022 at 3:19 PM, sherpa said:

 

 I flew hundreds of sorties off the USS Kitty Hawk, and most of that in the South China Sea, which you mentioned earlier as Biden's "new" bold deployment.

Over three hundred landings on carriers.

 

 

The last detail for the mighty Kitty Hawk. The DE I was on had escort duty with her off the coast of Nam.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/asia/aircraft-carrier-kitty-hawk-scrapping-history-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

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14 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Here's three options: 1. The war in Ukraine was globally planned by the US government in cahoots with their globalist overlords to distract from x, y and Covid 19...

 

2. Putin alone is responsible for the decision to invade Ukraine because he thought no one would standup to him and Ukraine would just roll over. 

 

3. Neither of these articulate the truth, the truth is: ________________________.

 

Let me fill in the line. "The truth is whatever Twitter tells me it is, because I do my own research consisting of people I agree with on Twitter".

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Washington, DC (CNN)Russia has asked China for military support, including drones, as well as economic assistance for its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, according to conversations CNN had with two US officials.

The requests came after the invasion, one of the officials said. That official declined to detail the Chinese reaction but indicated that the Chinese had responded. Both the Chinese and Russian governments publicly denied that the request happened.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/jake-sullivan-meeting-chinese-counterpart-ukraine/index.html

 

Drones. Jake Sullivan had a seven hour meeting yesterday. I hope we are sending in our drones, blast the Russian army! 

 

 

 

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Leaders from three European countries will travel to Kyiv to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmyhal on Tuesday, according to the Polish government.

In a statement Tuesday, the Polish Prime Minister's office said Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, deputy Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczyński, Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala and Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Janša would visit the Ukrainian capital as representatives of the European Council.

“The visit is organized in consultation with the President of the European Council Charles Michel and the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen,” the statement said.
“The purpose of the visit is to confirm the unequivocal support of the entire European Union for the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine. The aim of this visit is also to present a broad package of support for Ukraine and Ukrainians."

 

Nice move! 

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3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Washington, DC (CNN)Russia has asked China for military support, including drones, as well as economic assistance for its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, according to conversations CNN had with two US officials.

The requests came after the invasion, one of the officials said. That official declined to detail the Chinese reaction but indicated that the Chinese had responded. Both the Chinese and Russian governments publicly denied that the request happened.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/jake-sullivan-meeting-chinese-counterpart-ukraine/index.html

 

Drones. Jake Sullivan had a seven hour meeting yesterday. I hope we are sending in our drones, blast the Russian army! 

China has called the US accusations baseless and stated "Some forces have kept smearing China on the Ukraine issue… and fabricated all sorts of disinformation".

 

So somebody is lying. 

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I heard a military pundit on the radio here in SoCal yesterday and he made a ton of sense. His assessment was that Putin saw an opening and he took it. He’s approaching 70 years old and he wants a legacy of putting Mother Russia back together before he leaves the stage. He’s not immortal. He watched the US exit Afghanistan and figured, rightly so, that we had no appetite for another foreign conflict. So…he went for it. Sure seems like an accurate take to me.

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5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

China has called the US accusations baseless and stated "Some forces have kept smearing China on the Ukraine issue… and fabricated all sorts of disinformation".

 

So somebody is lying. 

Well, someone wants to attack Taiwan and is watching this situation closely 

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