TSOL Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, ALF said: Belarus would use nuclear weapons in the event of ‘aggression,’ Lukashenko says He also warned that if provoked – especially by neighboring NATO countries like Poland, Lithuania and Latvia – Belarus would “immediately respond with everything we have,” including nuclear weapons. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/18/europe/lukashenko-belarus-nuclear-weapons-russia-crimea-intl-hnk/index.html Sounds like another Kim Jong Un , thanks Russia They are going to use one at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 hour ago, ALF said: Belarus would use nuclear weapons in the event of ‘aggression,’ Lukashenko says He also warned that if provoked – especially by neighboring NATO countries like Poland, Lithuania and Latvia – Belarus would “immediately respond with everything we have,” including nuclear weapons. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/18/europe/lukashenko-belarus-nuclear-weapons-russia-crimea-intl-hnk/index.html Sounds like another Kim Jong Un , thanks Russia Sad, sad grandstanding from Belarus. But since they're practically a Russian colony at this point, it makes sense that they yip whenever master tugs their leash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Why did we get involved inbetween these two scumbag nations https://www.businessinsider.com/videos-russia-touts-captured-western-weapons-ukraine-theme-park-2023-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Must be a "Putin stooge". Right ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Is the small incursion over yet? Asking for a close friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-missile-strike-ukraine-city-chernihiv-kills-people-zelenskiy-says-2023-08-19/ Russia is absolutely brutalizing them, Ukraine really stands no chance without foreign forces putting boots on the ground. Russia is too much bigger and has absolutely no regard for human life in this war. They will.kill every man woman and child if they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 20 minutes ago, TSOL said: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-missile-strike-ukraine-city-chernihiv-kills-people-zelenskiy-says-2023-08-19/ Russia is absolutely brutalizing them, Ukraine really stands no chance without foreign forces putting boots on the ground. Russia is too much bigger and has absolutely no regard for human life in this war. They will.kill every man woman and child if they have to. You said, 11 hours ago, that they're both scumbag countries. Why do you care what happens to one, or the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Coffeesforclosers said: You said, 11 hours ago, that they're both scumbag countries. Why do you care what happens to one, or the other? Ukraine is impossibly corrupt, russia is just much larger than them. It's a cat and mouse game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, TSOL said: Ukraine is impossibly corrupt, russia is just much larger than them. It's a cat and mouse game. Fair enough. Just wanted to know where you're coming from. Edited August 19, 2023 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Just now, Coffeesforclosers said: Fair enough. Ukraine stands no chance no matter how many weapons they are given. The only way they win is with numbers, of men. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: You said, 11 hours ago, that they're both scumbag countries. Why do you care what happens to one, or the other? Peace is good for the people that live in those two crap governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Fair enough. Just wanted to know where you're coming from. Where I'm coming from is that war is brutal should be avoided at all costs but when you have ignorant nations with no respect for human life you're basically screwed. I don't know that our role in this war is exactly noble either. We have our ulterior motives in this war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, TSOL said: Ukraine stands no chance no matter how many weapons they are given. The only way they win is with numbers, of men. Ok. I'm not going to debate the point that you're making if that's what you're looking for. But it is interesting to me to see why people think what they think. Just now, TSOL said: Where I'm coming from is that war is brutal should be avoided at all costs but when you have ignorant nations with no respect for human life you're basically screwed. I agree. Just now, TSOL said: I don't know that our role in this war is exactly noble either. We have our ulterior motives in this war Yup. But if you're looking for a morally pure country to live in... well nobody sells real estate in space. 6 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Peace is good for the people that live in those two crap governments. It absolutely is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 3 hours ago, TSOL said: Ukraine stands no chance no matter how many weapons they are given. The only way they win is with numbers, of men. They don't, unless they achieve air superiority, and there is no current path to that now. The F-16 is not going to provide that. It will take years for that to become a change maker. This thing is a body grinding stalemate. The oversold counter offensive isn't going that well, and it takes multiples more munitions to be offensive rather than defensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, sherpa said: They don't, unless they achieve air superiority, and there is no current path to that now. The F-16 is not going to provide that. It will take years for that to become a change maker. This thing is a body grinding stalemate. The oversold counter offensive isn't going that well, and it takes multiples more munitions to be offensive rather than defensive. That was my point, I just don't see what strategic end our government sees coming from the international welfare program we are running over there, that isn't going to cut it. Russia is just going to wait it out terrorizing that nation until the west either gives in or sends troops And if that was to happen Russia is just chomping at the bit to drop a nuke on that nation. Which is what they will do if NATO ever was to send troops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 3 hours ago, TSOL said: That was my point, I just don't see what strategic end our government sees coming from the international welfare program we are running over there, that isn't going to cut it. Russia is just going to wait it out terrorizing that nation until the west either gives in or sends troops And if that was to happen Russia is just chomping at the bit to drop a nuke on that nation. Which is what they will do if NATO ever was to send troops The stated strategic objective is to "do whatever it takes" to support democracy. Now that we've read the required public service announcement. Does it need to be anything more than a target of opportunity chance to mess with Russia and disrupt their objective to spread their influence in Europe, ME, Asia, and Africa? It's just not a real good plan from the folks in Washington from an execution perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The stated strategic objective is to "do whatever it takes" to support democracy. Now that we've read the required public service announcement. Does it need to be anything more than a target of opportunity chance to mess with Russia and disrupt their objective to spread their influence in Europe, ME, Asia, and Africa? It's just not a real good plan from the folks in Washington from an execution perspective. Europe does certainly need a buffer from Russia, but Europe may need to face the fact that we need to concede Ukraine or send NATO troops. Which in my opinion is a recipe for disaster Sh*ts getting real in that conflict. Russia is not going to pack up and go home because we sent 30 M1A1 Abrams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) War criminal Putin has to be stopped period. Appeasement did not work with Hitler it won't work with Putin. Edited August 21, 2023 by ALF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 6:32 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: The stated strategic objective is to "do whatever it takes" to support democracy. Now that we've read the required public service announcement. Does it need to be anything more than a target of opportunity chance to mess with Russia and disrupt their objective to spread their influence in Europe, ME, Asia, and Africa? It's just not a real good plan from the folks in Washington from an execution perspective. Target of opportunity? Ummm...how about a reaction against Russian aggression? You always make it seem like the free nations are to blame. Why is that? Comrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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