All_Pro_Bills Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: How about Putin? Do you consider him a terrorist? And explain please how your question is relevant in any way to my comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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L Ron Burgundy Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Well, I can't think of a better way to bring someone around to my point of view. I should start all negotiations or trainings by calling my audience "clueless ***** morons". You know, since "Deplorables" is already taken. Dude, covid utterly broke this man. He's probably holding back a bit on this forum too. His brain is probably straight out of sci fi. I wouldn't be shocked if he believes the global elites are lizard people. Don't even try here there's nothing reasonable only insanity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What's your point? These groups are prevalent there because Russia has been trying to overrun them one way or another since they existed. It was a BS excuse to invade. I'd bet that after seeing so many different parts of the world help, and fight alongside them, they'll change a bit and not be so racist once the war ends. It's an example on how nationalism can turn into racism. These groups started simply having pride for their country and it morphed into something negative for some. Ukraine is not a great place. They are trying to get away from Russian influence and become more western. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: What's your point? These groups are prevalent there because Russia has been trying to overrun them one way or another since they existed. It was a BS excuse to invade. I'd bet that after seeing so many different parts of the world help, and fight alongside them, they'll change a bit and not be so racist once the war ends. It's an example on how nationalism can turn into racism. These groups started simply having pride for their country and it morphed into something negative for some. Ukraine is not a great place. They are trying to get away from Russian influence and become more western. I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now take a step back and ask yourself if it looks too good to be true. The scandals will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, aristocrat said: I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now take a step back and ask yourself if it looks too good to be true. The scandals will come. Scandals about what? Helping them while they had this minority of idiots? General corruption? We have skinheads/extremists too. And ours can get high power weapons much, much easier. Personally I think Ukraine is a shi*hole country but we're doing the right thing. They want to be part of Europe and not another Chechnya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Oh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 Interesting story of the resistance https://dnyuz.com/2022/12/25/how-citizen-spies-foiled-putins-grand-plan-for-one-ukrainian-city/ Guided by contacts in the Ukrainian security services, an assembly of ordinary citizens formed themselves into a grass-roots resistance movement. In dozens of interviews, residents and Ukrainian officials described how retirees like Mr. Yermolenko — along with students, mechanics, grandmothers, and even a wealthy couple who were fixing up their yacht and got trapped in the city for the better part of a year — became spirited partisans for the Kherson underground. It was almost like something out of a spy movie. They took clandestine videos of Russian troops and sent them to Ukrainian forces along with map coordinates. They used code names and passwords to circulate guns and explosives right under the Russians’ noses. Some even formed small attack teams that picked off Russian soldiers at night, making the fear and paranoia that settled over the city two-sided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 6 hours ago, aristocrat said: What's her source for those numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: What's her source for those numbers? Trying to remember my history but the French went into some debt to loan us money and we paid back a settlement of I believe half but at some point France wanted the rest as well and we almost went to war over it. why not have Ukraine pay us back? Some or all would shut a lot of people up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 7 hours ago, aristocrat said: Russia invaded for resources, namely natural gas plus shipping routes. Could we have something in place to later get some or all of our money back? I legitimately don't know. I hope we do. Normally you would think there's no way they could pay but they have considerable untapped resources. Apologies if that was discussed previously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 7 hours ago, aristocrat said: Trying to remember my history but the French went into some debt to loan us money and we paid back a settlement of I believe half but at some point France wanted the rest as well and we almost went to war over it. why not have Ukraine pay us back? Some or all would shut a lot of people up. I’ve often wondered this. Something similar to the lend-lease act of WW2 seems to be quite fair. It’s not going to stop them from buying the weapons. And if they lose, they pay nothing back anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Milestones: 1784–1800 - Office of the Historian (state.gov) https://history.state.gov/milestones/1784-1800/loans According to that it was paid off in 1795. at least the French debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Milestones: 1784–1800 - Office of the Historian (state.gov) https://history.state.gov/milestones/1784-1800/loans According to that it was paid off in 1795. at least the French debt. Paid off? Not really. It was refinanced As if that has anything at all to do with today... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Paid off? Not really. It was refinanced As if that has anything at all to do with today... not according to the article. In 1795, the United States was finally able to settle its debts with the French Government with the help of James Swan, an American banker who privately assumed French debts at a slightly higher interest rate. Swan then resold these debts at a profit on domestic U.S. markets. The United States no longer owed money to foreign governments, although it continued to owe money to private investors both in the United States and in Europe. but maybe I could find something on that amazing DNYUZ site. LOL "DNyuz is an Armenian website that plagiarizes content word for word from major news sources. They literally copy and paste entire articles and embed their advertising code for profit. As one can imagine, a source like this completely lacks transparency as there is zero information to be found about authors, owners, location, or mission." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/dnyuz/#:~:text=DNyuz is an Armenian website that plagiarizes content,be found about authors%2C owners%2C location%2C or mission. And is in line with the latest post on this thread. Edited December 26, 2022 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) So many mysterious Russian falls leading to death… authorities should dig up Ivana and really investigate what happened to her…. Edited December 26, 2022 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, BillStime said: So many mysterious Russian falls leading to death… authorities should dig up Ivana at really investigate what happened to her…. MAGA wants Trump to be able to do that to any Americans that dare complain about his criminality 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: MAGA wants Trump to be able to do that to any Americans that dare complain about his criminality A trick previously perfected by the Clintons. The difference is you conjure up some fantasy attacking a political movement without evidence of any kind to make a preposterous claim while the Clintons legacy is littered with a documented trail of bodies from Arkansas to Washington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: A trick previously perfected by the Clintons. The difference is you conjure up some fantasy attacking a political movement without evidence of any kind to make a preposterous claim while the Clintons legacy is littered with a documented trail of bodies from Arkansas to Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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