Boatdrinks Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: I don’t think anyone thinks they’re innocent Yet most libs feel Rittenhouse is guilty. Just shows the lack of critical thinking on the left vs the common sense of conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I don't expect a hung jury here. Based on the evidence I'd expect them to be found guilty. A self-defense argument doesn't hold any merit in this case. Citizens are generally not empowered to detain a person that poses no immediate threat and in addition has taken no observable action to break any law along with clearly attempting disengaging themselves from any type of confrontation. I'd expect a competent attorney would have advised his clients to accept or initiate some sort of plea arrangement rather than go to trial. But juries can be unpredictable. The circumstances here are much like the Zimmerman trial in the killing of Treyvon Martin in Florida. I thought Zimmerman was guilty there based on police instructions to not engage Martin in any way which Zimmerman ignored to initiate a confrontation. I don't believe self-defense is a valid argument when you are the instigator. For me the jury got it wrong here. From what I have heard these guys are guilty of flat out murder, maybe legally manslaughter. The Zimmerman case was completely different, Zimmerman was simply following him but Trayvon initiated the confrontation and made it physical. Zimmerman was not standing his ground but at that point it became self defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: From what I have heard these guys are guilty of flat out murder, maybe legally manslaughter. The Zimmerman case was completely different, Zimmerman was simply following him but Trayvon initiated the confrontation and made it physical. Zimmerman was not standing his ground but at that point it became self defense. He followed with his gun. Zimmerman is a complete POS, as his actions since have demonstrated. He initiated the situation by stalking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yet most libs feel Rittenhouse is guilty. Just shows the lack of critical thinking on the left vs the common sense of conservatives. Being a lifelong democrat, I can’t help but notice the slide into corruption the Democratic Party has turned into. This isn’t the party I grew up in, nor is it the party I support anymore. I just can’t find myself backing the Republican Party, they are just as corrupted without the slime ball pedo supporters who have taken over the Democratic Party. 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He followed with his gun. Zimmerman is a complete POS, as his actions since have demonstrated. He initiated the situation by stalking him. So, then you agree that the two scumbags who chased and hunted down a 17 year old kid are guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Westside said: Being a lifelong democrat, I can’t help but notice the slide into corruption the Democratic Party has turned into. This isn’t the party I grew up in, nor is it the party I support anymore. I just can’t find myself backing the Republican Party, they are just as corrupted without the slime ball pedo supporters who have taken over the Democratic Party. So, then you agree that the two scumbags who chased and hunted down a 17 year old kid are guilty? You mean the kid with the assault rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Just now, Tiberius said: You mean the kid with the assault rifle? The kid running for his life. Keep protecting women beaters and child rapists. You keep being you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Westside said: The kid running for his life. Keep protecting women beaters and child rapists. You keep being you. The kid who shot three people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The kid who shot three people? The kid who defended himself legally. You can B word and moan all you want, but you’ve been proven wrong once again. You ever get tired of losing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Westside said: The kid who defended himself legally. You can B word and moan all you want, but you’ve been proven wrong once again. You ever get tired of losing? Losing? I didn't lose. You are the one (LOL!!!) who ran off this board when your cult leader was beaten by Biden. You are a sore loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You mean the kid with the assault rifle? Maybe they should have thought about chasing someone with an assault rifle. Seems like a bad idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, snafu said: Maybe they should have thought about chasing someone with an assault rifle. Seems like a bad idea. Sure turned out that way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Losing? I didn't lose. You are the one (LOL!!!) who ran off this board when your cult leader was beaten by Biden. You are a sore loser. Lol, I’ve been here, under a different name. Something you’re very familiar with. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: He followed with his gun. Zimmerman is a complete POS, as his actions since have demonstrated. He initiated the situation by stalking him. What kind of person was Trayvon? Why was he in Orlando? Unless that is a relevant question than Zimmermans other behavior is not relevant. Both parties that night were stupid and the physical confrontation was started by Trayvon, therefore self defense comes into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Westside said: The kid running for his life. Keep protecting women beaters and child rapists. You keep being you. Please. This is where common sense takes over. If one takes a very narrow view of the relevant law with respect to justification, then Rittenhouse is not guilty. That’s the verdict, and that’s the way it is. We all have to respect that. If, however, one takes a broader, more practical view of the law, then his case is much more difficult. Was it a good idea for a kid to take an assault rifle to a messy scene like Kenosha? Definitely not. And, did his presence and activity with that rifle make him the initial aggressor? Different issue. Maybe so. Not what the jury concluded, but a conclusion that many a reasonable mind could reach. No matter how one views the outcome of this case, we seem—as a society—to have checked our heads at the door if we somehow think it’s a good idea to have a heavily armed child, or any heavily armed person who is not on-duty law enforcement, roaming the scene of what was fairly characterizable as a riot. The result, which was totally unnecessary and could have been avoided if this kid, who had no business being there in the first place, had simply stayed home and kept to himself. 2 hours ago, Westside said: Being a lifelong democrat, I can’t help but notice the slide into corruption the Democratic Party has turned into. This isn’t the party I grew up in, nor is it the party I support anymore. I just can’t find myself backing the Republican Party, they are just as corrupted without the slime ball pedo supporters who have taken over the Democratic Party. Matt Gaetz is a Republican. FYI. So is the Don who, last I checked, hung with Epstein. Edited November 23, 2021 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Please. This is where common sense takes over. If one takes a very narrow view of the relevant law with respect to justification, then Rittenhouse is not guilty. That’s the verdict, and that’s the way it is. We all have to respect that. If, however, one takes a broader, more practical view of the law, then his case is much more difficult. Was it a good idea for a kid to take an assault rifle to a messy scene like Kenosha? Definitely not. And, did his presence and activity with that rifle make him the initial aggressor? Different issue. Maybe so. Not what the jury concluded, but a conclusion that many a reasonable mind could reach. No matter how one views the outcome of this case, we seem—as a society—to have checked our heads at the door if we somehow think it’s a good idea to have a heavily armed child, or any heavily armed person who is not on-duty law enforcement authority, roaming the scene of what was fairly characterizable as a riot. The result, which was totally unnecessary and could have been avoided if this kid, who had no business being there in the first place, had simply stayed home and kept to himself. I actually agree with you. I don’t think he should have been there. I would never allow my 17 year old son to do what he did. It was dangerous and stupid. But, he still had a right to defend himself. Being a democrat all of my life, I for the life of me understand why they protect child molesters and scumbags. Those three who attacked him had no business being there either. I’m still waiting for the convicted felon who pointed his illegal gun and got his arm shot off to be arrested for having an illegal gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: From what I have heard these guys are guilty of flat out murder, maybe legally manslaughter. The Zimmerman case was completely different, Zimmerman was simply following him but Trayvon initiated the confrontation and made it physical. Zimmerman was not standing his ground but at that point it became self defense. Being followed by some unknown person for some unknown reason can be easily interpreted as threatening or a potential danger. Why is this guy following me? I'm not doing anything. What does he want? Is he going to jump me or something? This guy is acting "suspicious". That's likely what Martin was thinking. What was Zimmerman's motive for following Martin? Simply because he thought he looked or acted "suspicious"? Zimmerman was a private citizen, not an officer of the law. He has no legal right to question or detain anyone on a public street that is not actively involved in a crime. To me this is consistent with the scenario with the defendants in Georgia. I remember being followed when driving one night, by a police patrol. This is how I experienced and felt about being "followed". My wife and I had just left a family gathering at around 11 PM across town. About 3/4 mile away from the party I'm sitting at a red light and a local cop pulls behind me. Long story short, he's glued to my bumper for about 6 miles through 7 or 8 left and right turns. And follows me right down my street and as I turn into my driveway and patrol car passes by. As I was doing nothing illegal, exhibited no signs of erratic driving or speeding, and the worst thing on my driving record is an expired inspection sticker, I viewed this as plain and simple harassment. My conclusion was the cop was a dick weed that was trying to panic me into doing something stupid to give him an excuse to pull me over. But I wasn't going to let it happen. My initial urge was to get on the phone and file a citizens complaint with the township's chief of police but I reconsidered because I concluded I'd get no redress doing that and it would lead to further acts of harassment. Edited November 23, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Zimmerman was qt least 7-8 years ago, possibly longer( remember I heard the verdict when I lived in CA). Hang it up, libs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 8 hours ago, BillStime said: Clearly self defense, Tibs I have a feeling this will age poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Being followed by some unknown person for some unknown reason can be easily interpreted as threatening or a potential danger. Why is this guy following me? I'm not doing anything. What does he want? Is he going to jump me or something? This guy is acting "suspicious". That's likely what Martin was thinking. What was Zimmerman's motive for following Martin? Simply because he thought he looked or acted "suspicious"? Zimmerman was a private citizen, not an officer of the law. He has no legal right to question or detain anyone on a public street that is not actively involved in a crime. To me this is consistent with the scenario with the defendants in Georgia. I remember being followed when driving one night, by a police patrol. This is how I experienced and felt about being "followed". My wife and I had just left a family gathering at around 11 PM across town. About 3/4 mile away from the party I'm sitting at a red light and a local cop pulls behind me. Long story short, he's glued to my bumper for about 6 miles through 7 or 8 left and right turns. And follows me right down my street and as I turn into my driveway and patrol car passes by. As I was doing nothing illegal, exhibited no signs of erratic driving or speeding, and the worst thing on my driving record is an expired inspection sticker, I viewed this as plain and simple harassment. My conclusion was the cop was a dick weed that was trying to panic me into doing something stupid to give him an excuse to pull me over. But I wasn't going to let it happen. My initial urge was to get on the phone and file a citizens complaint with the township's chief of police but I reconsidered because I concluded I'd get no redress doing that and it would lead to further acts of harassment. I am assuming you did not follow the case closely- Trayvon was not walking directly from the store to the house he was staying in- he was wondering through people's yards, and Zimmerman at no point tried to detain him he simply followed him through his neighbors yards, until Trayvon attacked him. As for your cop, I agree with you, he was being a douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Please. This is where common sense takes over. If one takes a very narrow view of the relevant law with respect to justification, then Rittenhouse is not guilty. That’s the verdict, and that’s the way it is. We all have to respect that. If, however, one takes a broader, more practical view of the law, then his case is much more difficult. Was it a good idea for a kid to take an assault rifle to a messy scene like Kenosha? Definitely not. And, did his presence and activity with that rifle make him the initial aggressor? Different issue. Maybe so. Not what the jury concluded, but a conclusion that many a reasonable mind could reach. No matter how one views the outcome of this case, we seem—as a society—to have checked our heads at the door if we somehow think it’s a good idea to have a heavily armed child, or any heavily armed person who is not on-duty law enforcement, roaming the scene of what was fairly characterizable as a riot. The result, which was totally unnecessary and could have been avoided if this kid, who had no business being there in the first place, had simply stayed home and kept to himself. Matt Gaetz is a Republican. FYI. So is the Don who, last I checked, hung with Epstein. I think we, as a society, have checked our heads at the door when we whistle past the question "Why were the good people of Kenosha abandoned and victimized by lawless rioters intent on harming people and property?". The result, clearly, was that bad sh%t happens when bad people are allowed to rage unabated, and sometimes, the bad guys lose. If everyone stays home, none of this happens. Edited November 23, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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