two years of free preschool plus two years of free community college

[Tenhigh]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

That’s $300 per month….but I sell it.

Lol. You can’t live on $1000 per month. Everyone would still need to work. As automation reduces the labor needed in manufacturing and retail, there won’t be FT work for everyone. That’s over half of the adult jobs in this country.

 

You have to view it like stimulus, just like the 600/300 pandemic unemployment. That was the test case. You give people money so they spend it, otherwise the entire economy would’ve collapsed in April 2020 and everyone’s 401k would be gone today.

Lol, even Havard disagrees:

https://harvardpolitics.com/against-ubi-in-america/

 

[OrangeBills]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Our healthcare system isn’t failing. Our health INSURANCE and LEGAL system are both challenged. The ‘problem’ with our health care system is that we’ve advanced medicine to a point where our form of treatment and extension of life expectancy have likely advanced  beyond the limits of what any society can afford. But our health care is better than at any point in human history. 

 

This is the problem vis a vis COVID.  Just 5 human generations ago, like 1880, the human life expectancy (that I found on Google) was like 38 years old.

 

Now we're living until we're 78 and beyond.  The human immune system was designed, through Evolution, to protect you through childhood and adolescence, then through reproductive years and child-rearing, and that's about it.  5 Generations is not enough time for Evolutionary Biology to adapt to a doubling of life expectancy.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, Governor said:

The medicine I’m taking costs 30k per month. 
 

The problem is cost of services and cost of drugs.

So what does that tell you? It tells you that we have a COST problem, not a failing health care system problem. So…either the medication you’re taking is just not practical for the benefit it provides you, or someone along the supply chain is price gouging. I’m guessing you believe it’s the latter….but it might be the former.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, OrangeBills said:

 

This is the problem vis a vis COVID.  Just 5 human generations ago, like 1880, the human life expectancy (that I found on Google) was like 38 years old.

 

Now we're living until we're 78 and beyond.  The human immune system was designed, through Evolution, to protect you through childhood and adolescence, then through reproductive years and child-rearing, and that's about it.  5 Generations is not enough time for Evolutionary Biology to adapt to a doubling of life expectancy.

 

 

Bingo

You eventually get to a point of diminishing returns. This artificial extension of the human condition through medications and procedures is  VERY expensive. 

[B-Man]

 

 

DOUBLING DOWN ON STUPID: 

 

Preschool Funding in $3.5 Trillion Spending Bill Is Modeled After Failed Head Start Program. 

 

“Fraud, abuse, poor outcomes, and high costs.”

 

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/09/28/preschool-funding-in-3-5-trillion-spending-bill-is-modeled-after-failed-head-start-program/

 

 

[reddogblitz]

16 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Only a fool falls for the siren’s song of ‘fairness’, ‘victimhood’ and ‘collectivism’.  

 

Life is not fair.  This is something we used too all understand.  

16 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Hell the guy was a registered democrat at one point. 

 

So was Reagan.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

20 hours ago, Governor said:

The medicine I’m taking costs 30k per month. 
 

The problem is cost of services and cost of drugs.

The problem is people want broad, cradle to grave service, politicians use that to their advantage, and virtually no one is willing to pay for it. 
 

If the medicine is viagra, God bless ya man but take a knee once in a while.  

[Governor]

42 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The problem is people want broad, cradle to grave service, politicians use that to their advantage, and virtually no one is willing to pay for it. 
 

If the medicine is viagra, God bless ya man but take a knee once in a while.  

I keep growing extra nipples. I have 17 nipples. The meds make them dry up and fall off.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

I keep growing extra nipples. I have 17 nipples. The meds make them dry up and fall off.

Ah then def spend the money.  Fun fact- You can milk anything with a nipple. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The problem is people want broad, cradle to grave service, politicians use that to their advantage, and virtually no one is willing to pay for it. 

The root problem is "want" is infinite.  Resources are finite.

[Governor]

12 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

DOUBLING DOWN ON STUPID: 

 

Preschool Funding in $3.5 Trillion Spending Bill Is Modeled After Failed Head Start Program. 

 

“Fraud, abuse, poor outcomes, and high costs.”

 

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/09/28/preschool-funding-in-3-5-trillion-spending-bill-is-modeled-after-failed-head-start-program/

 

 

It’s not going to be in the final bill.

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The root problem is "want" is infinite.  Resources are finite.

And so far the country's resources are already $30,000,000,000,000.00 past finite...and counting! 

[The Frankish Reich]

Universal/free pre-K: follow the science!

 

This is a case where the Dems are the ones ignoring the science, or refusing to follow it. 

 

The latest meta-study is from Brookings, which is a reputable think tank that may be described as liberal, tending Democratic, or even centrist, but never as "right wing." And here's what they found:

 

Unabashed enthusiasts for increased investments in state pre-K need to confront the evidence that it does not enhance student achievement meaningfully, if at all. It may, of course, have positive impacts on other outcomes, although these have not yet been demonstrated. It is time for policymakers and advocates to consider and test potentially more powerful forms of investment in better futures for children.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/research/does-state-pre-k-improve-childrens-achievement/

 

Simply put: there is no persuasive evidence out there that pre-K has any significant effect on student performance. Any immediate effect (and there's even less evidence for that) washes out by the time the kids hit 3rd or 4th grade.

 

Now, I'll admit there's a policy case to be made for universal/free pre-K: it helps subsidize childbearing/childrearing, and maybe that's a good thing in and of itself. It frees up parents (historically overwhelmingly women) to reenter the workforce earlier. It may encourage people to have more children, which may have positive demographic ramifications 20 or 40 years from now. It may be a better/more targeted plan than simply providing money to parents in the form of so-called "refundable" tax credits or other forms of aid (think food stamps). But that's a different argument. It's an argument for free day care, not free "early childhood education." At this point we have seen enough studies to know that the politician's line that "We know early childhood education is the best way to ensure that our students are prepared to succeed academically and compete internationally" is nothing more than b.s. 

 

Follow the science. Both sides.

Edited September 30, 2021 by The Frankish Reich