YoloinOhio Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) I’m not a subscriber to the Houston chronicle but if you click on it you can read for a few seconds summarized here: Quote Texas and Oklahoma of the Big 12 have both reached out to the Southeastern Conference about potentially joining the powerful league, a high-ranking college official with knowledge of the situation told the Houston Chronicle on Wednesday," Zwerneman writes. "An announcement could come within a couple of weeks concerning the potential addition of UT and OU to the league, the person said, which would give the SEC 16 schools and make it the first of a national super-conference." Edited July 30, 2021 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Vader Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: WOW!!! Who is the Big 12 going to reach out to? Boise State? Houston? Memphis? Louisville? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: WOW!!! Who is the Big 12 going to reach out to? Boise State? Houston? Memphis? Louisville? They can take Missouri back for starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: They can take Missouri back for starters The Big 10 should just swoop in and take whatever is left. Or just grab Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State & Oklahoma State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: The Big 10 should just swoop in and take whatever is left. Or just grab Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State & Oklahoma State. I could see them wanting TCU for the Dallas market I would love Kansas for basketball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I could see them wanting TCU for the Dallas market I would love Kansas for basketball Texas Christian would make sense too. They should give Maryland back to the ACC in exchange for Pittsburgh. Imagine Penn State-Pitt as a conference game. Kansas would be huge for basketball. Texas A&M should really get over this. Don't they see that they can bring back "The Bonfire" game with Texas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buffaloaggie Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Think the unnamed SEC Source is wrong. It takes a 75% approval from the members in order to extend an invitation. *3.1.2 Granting of Membership. Membership may be granted by invitation of the Conference at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A vote of at least three-fourths of the members is required to extend an invitation for membership. [Revised: 5/30/91] [Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, buffaloaggie said: Think the unnamed SEC Source is wrong. It takes a 75% approval from the members in order to extend an invitation. *3.1.2 Granting of Membership. Membership may be granted by invitation of the Conference at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A vote of at least three-fourths of the members is required to extend an invitation for membership. [Revised: 5/30/91] [Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11] They just said 11/14 is considered majority vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They just said 11/14 is considered majority vote That's what the bylaw says. Majority must be a relative term to Kirk Bohls. Yes, I'm sure he restated in a later tweet. Mizzou and A&M are hard no's. Texas will blow it due to the Longhorn Network, which is the reason A&M, Mizzou, Colorado and Nebraska all left the Big 12. SEC is all about treating each institution equally when it comes to revenue sharing. Only way this goes through is if ESPN takes the money they're paying Texas for LHN, and adds it to the 2024 broadcast rights contract signed between ESPN and the SEC. If the SEC doesn't get a significant bump in TV revenue, it makes no sense to split revenue 16 ways instead of 14 ways, with little revenue increase. LHN should go the way of the dinosaur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 The Sooners will never see another CFP while in the SEC unless they expand it to 8. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: The Sooners will never see another CFP while in the SEC unless they expand it to 8. Not that they need it, but it could help their recruiting. SEC has the “reach” for the NIL angle, and playing all those games in Florida, Georgia, SC, Louisiana etc will expand the exposure of the program and brand to those athletes Taste teie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Its interesting, I wonder where the next dominoes will come from, whether it is the Big 10 making a play for a few teams, or if the Big 12 goes for American teams like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Boise, etc. I also wonder if this could be the thing that could possibly inspire UB to move up into the American or CUSA, depending on how the map looks. With that said, it would be likely CUSA and the American would be diminished into nearly mid-major status anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Its interesting, I wonder where the next dominoes will come from, whether it is the Big 10 making a play for a few teams, or if the Big 12 goes for American teams like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Boise, etc. I also wonder if this could be the thing that could possibly inspire UB to move up into the American or CUSA, depending on how the map looks. With that said, it would be likely CUSA and the American would be diminished into nearly mid-major status anyway. The insider board that I pay way too much money for is saying that Texas and OU originally approached the Big Ten, which really wanted Texas but not OU. They wanted to be a package deal only, so moved on to the SEC who is interested in both. USC, Colorado, Oregon and UCLA are all very interested in joining the Big Ten and there is mutual interest in all of those. They are all AAU members, fit the academic and athletic profiles the conference requires, and would fulfill former Commissoner Jim Delaney’s dream of a “coast to coast B1G football” Do I trust Kevin warren to get this done? Not even a little. But it sounds like more to come on the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 So I wonder if the Pac 12 lost those teams if it would go for Boise St, SD St, San Jose State, Nevada? Sounds like a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) As usual, closed caption turned on is a must: https://youtu.be/ntGICknpD3k "please follow the signs to claim your blow out loss to Alabama" 🤣 Edited July 23, 2021 by Cynical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cynical Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 21 hours ago, buffaloaggie said: That's what the bylaw says. Majority must be a relative term to Kirk Bohls. Yes, I'm sure he restated in a later tweet. Mizzou and A&M are hard no's. Texas will blow it due to the Longhorn Network, which is the reason A&M, Mizzou, Colorado and Nebraska all left the Big 12. SEC is all about treating each institution equally when it comes to revenue sharing. Only way this goes through is if ESPN takes the money they're paying Texas for LHN, and adds it to the 2024 broadcast rights contract signed between ESPN and the SEC. If the SEC doesn't get a significant bump in TV revenue, it makes no sense to split revenue 16 ways instead of 14 ways, with little revenue increase. LHN should go the way of the dinosaur. Or they could just scrap the LHN. ESPN had been losing money on the LHN. I doubt it has changed. I know at one point, the cable providers wanted nothing to do with LHN as it was a ratings disaster. This move is not just about TV money, its about CFB money. If the playoffs expand, the SEC would increase their chances of multiple teams being in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Love this guys opinion regarding this move and CFB overall: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, Cynical said: Or they could just scrap the LHN. ESPN had been losing money on the LHN. I doubt it has changed. I know at one point, the cable providers wanted nothing to do with LHN as it was a ratings disaster. This move is not just about TV money, its about CFB money. If the playoffs expand, the SEC would increase their chances of multiple teams being in. Without OU and Texas, you don't think the SEC could place multiple teams in? It is about TV revenue, and exposure. Oklahoma is untapped for the SEC. The State of Texas has A&M, but Texas has a major following. Yes, my last statement about LHN should go the way of the dinosaur does mean they should scrap LHN. Guess that wasn't clear. Money allocated to LHN will be added to the 2024 SEC-ESPN contract. The money will be split 16 ways now. You know, as well as me, that the SEC is always about equal distribution of revenue. I'm sure ESPN has been lobbying for the move of the two schools to the SEC, if, for nothing else, to get rid of the ratings disaster called LHN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Vader Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: The insider board that I pay way too much money for is saying that Texas and OU originally approached the Big Ten, which really wanted Texas but not OU. They wanted to be a package deal only, so moved on to the SEC who is interested in both. USC, Colorado, Oregon and UCLA are all very interested in joining the Big Ten and there is mutual interest in all of those. They are all AAU members, fit the academic and athletic profiles the conference requires, and would fulfill former Commissoner Jim Delaney’s dream of a “coast to coast B1G football” Do I trust Kevin warren to get this done? Not even a little. But it sounds like more to come on the near future. That is crazy! Are those schools displeased with the Pac-12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 32 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: That is crazy! Are those schools displeased with the Pac-12? I haven’t read through the whole thread yet to get that answer, but the Big 10 would provide them more money, exposure and better kick off times for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, buffaloaggie said: Without OU and Texas, you don't think the SEC could place multiple teams in? It is about TV revenue, and exposure. Oklahoma is untapped for the SEC. The State of Texas has A&M, but Texas has a major following. Yes, I have no doubt the SEC can put multiple teams in the CFP. But think about the overall impact on CFB, and the possible implosion of the Big 12. This move is just not about the immediate TV revenue gained by adding UT and OU. That's a given. I suggest listening/watching the Late Kick w/ Josh Pate I linked above. Quote Yes, my last statement about LHN should go the way of the dinosaur does mean they should scrap LHN. Guess that wasn't clear. Money allocated to LHN will be added to the 2024 SEC-ESPN contract. The money will be split 16 ways now. You know, as well as me, that the SEC is always about equal distribution of revenue. I'm sure ESPN has been lobbying for the move of the two schools to the SEC, if, for nothing else, to get rid of the ratings disaster called LHN. This is what I was trying to respond to. Since the LHN is a contract between UT and ESPN, ESPN is under no obligation to pay that money to the SEC overall. If the LHN is the only stumbling block that prevents UT from joining the SEC, scrapping it is the easiest solution. EDIT: I found this- https://www.dawgsports.com/2021/7/21/22587585/texas-oklahoma-sec-longhorn-network-contract "Sources close to the University of Texas have told Dawg Sports that Texas “would be willing to scrap it (LHN), and believe the move to the SEC would ultimately result in more money for the university.” In 2020, the SEC distributed 45.5 million to each of its 14 schools. The Big 12 distributed 34.5 million each to the 10 member institutions. The shuttering of the Longhorn Network would serve as a gesture of goodwill after Texas previously demanded unequal revenue sharing in the Big 12. ESPN lost 48 million on the Longhorn Network during the first five years of the deal, and it has long been speculated that the company would love to find a way out of the deal. The Longhorn Network could easily be folded into another ESPN property like the SEC Network." Edited July 23, 2021 by Cynical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Call me crazy, but the Big 12 would be a good landing spot for USC, UCLA, and/or Colorado (if they are hell bent on leaving the Pac 12). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Call me crazy, but the Big 12 would be a good landing spot for USC, UCLA, and/or Colorado (if they are hell bent on leaving the Pac 12). USC and UCLA would never get the TV revenue, and exposure, in the Big 12 as they would in the Big 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Time for Nebraska to go back to the big 12, while we’re at it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Are we in a full-on arms race now? If so, Kevin Warren is not a wartime commissioner. New B1G football czar Barry Alvarez might be, though. It used to be all about getting into new TV markets (hence Maryland and Rutgers), but now apparently there are so many streaming options and team/game specific packages available that the cable TV ratings aren't the most important factor anymore. Now it's all about building a high-profile brand with the media exposure needed to maximize the NIL revenue that can be brought in through star players at primetime schools, and (as Ryan Day said at his press conference today) figuring out how to distribute that money throughout the team. That's a tricky puzzle that will be easier to manage if there're plenty of money for everyone. My view is that Ohio State is in a great spot to sit back and see how this all plays out, and then decide how or where to proceed. The conference is in deep trouble though, and so is the NCAA generally, if it isn't an active player in this moment. I personally don't want to have to watch a bunch of OSU-Kansas football games just to gain a hoops powerhouse. USC on the other hand... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 6 hours ago, May Day 10 said: So I wonder if the Pac 12 lost those teams if it would go for Boise St, SD St, San Jose State, Nevada? Sounds like a mess. Does sound like a mess. You could also add Fresno State & Hawaii to that mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Texas: "if you can't beat em join em". This is their official announcement that they understand they will never be National Champs going forward, so they will settle for SEC money instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 This is getting even weirder. It’s basically going to be ESPN versus FOX to see who can hype up their conferences more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Willyville Guy said: This is getting even weirder. It’s basically going to be ESPN versus FOX to see who can hype up their conferences more. Yeah Fox wants the west coast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Hate it for for the conferences, but its business and i really dont care as long as there is good football. On 7/21/2021 at 9:15 PM, Mark Vader said: The Big 10 should just swoop in and take whatever is left. Or just grab Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State & Oklahoma State. then put the rest in pac 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) On 7/21/2021 at 9:49 PM, Mark Vader said: Texas Christian would make sense too. They should give Maryland back to the ACC in exchange for Pittsburgh. Imagine Penn State-Pitt as a conference game. Kansas would be huge for basketball. Texas A&M should really get over this. Don't they see that they can bring back "The Bonfire" game with Texas? Make 4 conferences Big 10 ACC SEC PAC12 Or get rid of the numbers and call them Big and Pac lol Or Pacific coast conference and Great Lakes conference. Edited July 25, 2021 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 10:38 AM, buffaloaggie said: Without OU and Texas, you don't think the SEC could place multiple teams in? It is about TV revenue, and exposure. Oklahoma is untapped for the SEC. The State of Texas has A&M, but Texas has a major following. Yes, my last statement about LHN should go the way of the dinosaur does mean they should scrap LHN. Guess that wasn't clear. Money allocated to LHN will be added to the 2024 SEC-ESPN contract. The money will be split 16 ways now. You know, as well as me, that the SEC is always about equal distribution of revenue. I'm sure ESPN has been lobbying for the move of the two schools to the SEC, if, for nothing else, to get rid of the ratings disaster called LHN. What is LHN ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) On 7/23/2021 at 9:23 AM, YoloinOhio said: The insider board that I pay way too much money for is saying that Texas and OU originally approached the Big Ten, which really wanted Texas but not OU. They wanted to be a package deal only, so moved on to the SEC who is interested in both. USC, Colorado, Oregon and UCLA are all very interested in joining the Big Ten and there is mutual interest in all of those. They are all AAU members, fit the academic and athletic profiles the conference requires, and would fulfill former Commissoner Jim Delaney’s dream of a “coast to coast B1G football” Do I trust Kevin warren to get this done? Not even a little. But it sounds like more to come on the near future. Why wouldn't they want Oklahoma?? They are a winning program , more so than Texas. Big 10 screwed this up. 3 hours ago, Willyville Guy said: This is getting even weirder. It’s basically going to be ESPN versus FOX to see who can hype up their conferences more. That's it !! just two conferences: ESPN Conference and FOX Conference 😋 The networks control everything anyway might as well give into our big business overlords. Edited July 25, 2021 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willyville Guy Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 16 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What is LHN ? Long Horn Network -- UT's own TV channel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 These conference jumps are all about money and survival. Jump to a new/better conference or get left behind. But I find it funny, it rarely results in on field/on court success. Look at Pitt/Syracuse, they have struggled to stay relevant in the ACC and they are certainly not the powerhouses they were when they were back in the Big east for hoops. Look at Maryland, for the most part they do not fit in to the big 10, their football team is a joke and their basketball team has taken more than a few steps back. Nebraska, my god where do I start, their football team is a joke, made even worst by Frost trying to back out of the OU game this year. It is funny, but these moves very rarely translate into on field success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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