JaCrispy Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 And remember kids, pharmaceutical companies are not in the business of creating cures, they are in the business of creating customers... Just like the War On Terror, that can go on indefinitely, it is in the pharmaceutical company’s interest to have this pandemic go on indefinitely so profits keep flowing in... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: And remember kids, pharmaceutical companies are not in the business of creating cures, they are in the business of creating customers... Just like the War On Terror, that can go on indefinitely, it is in the pharmaceutical company’s interest to have this pandemic go on indefinitely so profits keep flowing in... They probably created the pandemic and are holding back the real cure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 37 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: And remember kids, pharmaceutical companies are not in the business of creating cures, they are in the business of creating customers... Just like the War On Terror, that can go on indefinitely, it is in the pharmaceutical company’s interest to have this pandemic go on indefinitely so profits keep flowing in... Big Pharma is going to have to battle Big Oil, who want us to drive more, Big Hollywood, who want us back in theaters, and Big Technology, who can't get supplies for computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Sundancer said: They probably created the pandemic and are holding back the real cure. Certainly a possibility based on the evidence...👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: Hmm so a new virus that has mutated may require another shot. No way. Instead of being grateful for mRNA technology that allows quick adaptation to a deadly and incredibly contagious virus, let’s keep up with anti vax defending and messaging. “It’s a conspiracy of something. I am smarter than doctors and scientists! Here’s a Twitter link. Science shmience.” So, you believe the Chief Medial officer of Sweden is a conspiracy theorist and does not trust science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 California: "You can't go to school without the shot that kids don't need." Finland and Sweden: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna COVID-19 vaccine Finland on Thursday paused the use of Moderna's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect, joining Sweden and Denmark in limiting its use. Mika Salminen, director of the Finnish health institute, said Finland would instead give Pfizer's vaccine to men born in 1991 and later. Finland offers shots to people aged 12 and over. Norwegian health officials reiterated on Wednesday that they recommended men under the age of 30 opt for Pfizer's vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ Can't wait to see what else we find out about both of them! But mandates folks....or you're fired....and can't go to school...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Would it be ok for your 16 year old to get the vaccine to protect 70 year olds who did take of themselves? No- those words are simply to point out at that the risk from Covid, besides age, is all unhealthy behaviors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: So, you believe the Chief Medial officer of Sweden is a conspiracy theorist and does not trust science? Sweden and a couple other Nordic countries have temporarily suspended use of the Moderna vaccine in the under 30 group due to a slight risk (several per million) in myocarditis in that population. What you fail to note is they are recommending the Pfizer vaccine for that group. As for the Swedish health minister, he chose to buck most of the world's public health individuals and go a different route on requiring masks, quarantines, and such when the pandemic started. But the infection and mortality rate in Sweden was much higher than neighboring countries, which then caused Sweden to tighten their policies. You can look it up, it's all out there. Or you can choose to cherrypick like you've done with the vaccine recommendation in the under 30 group and ignore the whoel story. Your choice. 46 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: No- those words are simply to point out at that the risk from Covid, besides age, is all unhealthy behaviors. How do you explain the deaths of those without unhealthy behaviors. They're out there, you know. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Sweden and a couple other Nordic countries have temporarily suspended use of the Moderna vaccine in the under 30 group due to a slight risk (several per million) in myocarditis in that population. What you fail to note is they are recommending the Pfizer vaccine for that group. As for the Swedish health minister, he chose to buck most of the world's public health individuals and go a different route on requiring masks, quarantines, and such when the pandemic started. But the infection and mortality rate in Sweden was much higher than neighboring countries, which then caused Sweden to tighten their policies. You can look it up, it's all out there. Or you can choose to cherrypick like you've done with the vaccine recommendation in the under 30 group and ignore the whoel story. Your choice. How do you explain the deaths of those without unhealthy behaviors. They're out there, you know. again, my discussion argument is not against the vaccines, (except if you have natural immunity) My argument in this thread has always been trying to explain why people would have aversions to taking the jab. People who blindly claim the science is settled when we have garbage information from our government, and we have differing opinions emanating from different governments...certainly points to the science not be settled. Would you blame a young person who has had Covid , not yet jabbed, saying " look, this Moderna thing been out there 11 months, they just finding out now it may pose a risk..whos to say in a few months Pfizer et al will not have side effects discovered too" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Sweden and a couple other Nordic countries have temporarily suspended use of the Moderna vaccine in the under 30 group due to a slight risk (several per million) in myocarditis in that population. What you fail to note is they are recommending the Pfizer vaccine for that group. As for the Swedish health minister, he chose to buck most of the world's public health individuals and go a different route on requiring masks, quarantines, and such when the pandemic started. But the infection and mortality rate in Sweden was much higher than neighboring countries, which then caused Sweden to tighten their policies. You can look it up, it's all out there. Or you can choose to cherrypick like you've done with the vaccine recommendation in the under 30 group and ignore the whoel story. Your choice. This topic always brings me back to the beginning. The under 30 crowd is generally at very low risk to begin with. A vaccine is developed, marketed at lightning speed, and the pitch is the vaccine(s) are safe, secure and no need to look further. Turns out for some, healthy as a horse to begin with, they roll the bones and end up at a Moderna-vax facility, take the jab, and it turns out to be a bad choice. Had they rolled the bones on a different day, or lived in a different city, they go to a Pfizer-vax facility and as of today, it appears safe(r). Of course—stay tuned. I get the very low risk angle, but why accept the risk at all? 17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: How do you explain the deaths of those without unhealthy behaviors. They're out there, you know. Aren’t they always out there, the deaths of those without unhealthy behavior? I think that’s already a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: This topic always brings me back to the beginning. The under 30 crowd is generally at very low risk to begin with. A vaccine is developed, marketed at lightning speed, and the pitch is the vaccine(s) are safe, secure and no need to look further. Turns out for some, healthy as a horse to begin with, they roll the bones and end up at a Moderna-vax facility, take the jab, and it turns out to be a bad choice. Had they rolled the bones on a different day, or lived in a different city, they go to a Pfizer-vax facility and as of today, it appears safe(r). Of course—stay tuned. I get the very low risk angle, but why accept the risk at all? Aren’t they always out there, the deaths of those without unhealthy behavior? I think that’s already a thing. Medicine is about benefit vs. risk. The math indicates that even ion younger people the risk of getting Covid far outweighs any risk with the vaccine. 48 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: again, my discussion argument is not against the vaccines, (except if you have natural immunity) My argument in this thread has always been trying to explain why people would have aversions to taking the jab. People who blindly claim the science is settled when we have garbage information from our government, and we have differing opinions emanating from different governments...certainly points to the science not be settled. Would you blame a young person who has had Covid , not yet jabbed, saying " look, this Moderna thing been out there 11 months, they just finding out now it may pose a risk..whos to say in a few months Pfizer et al will not have side effects discovered too" See my comment about benefit and risk; the risk of getting Covid are still much higher in the younger population than the risk associated with the vaccine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Sweden and a couple other Nordic countries have temporarily suspended use of the Moderna vaccine in the under 30 group due to a slight risk (several per million) in myocarditis in that population. What you fail to note is they are recommending the Pfizer vaccine for that group. As for the Swedish health minister, he chose to buck most of the world's public health individuals and go a different route on requiring masks, quarantines, and such when the pandemic started. But the infection and mortality rate in Sweden was much higher than neighboring countries, which then caused Sweden to tighten their policies. You can look it up, it's all out there. Or you can choose to cherrypick like you've done with the vaccine recommendation in the under 30 group and ignore the whoel story. Your choice. How do you explain the deaths of those without unhealthy behaviors. They're out there, you know. The number of deaths of younger than 40 who are healthy are extremely low. With any illness there is a chance of bad things happening. We would not be having this discussion if the rate of death was the healthy under 40 rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: So, you believe the Chief Medial officer of Sweden is a conspiracy theorist and does not trust science? This has already been addressed. Let me know when you read what Sweden is doing and how that relates to the vaccines, their effectiveness, the new recommendation in Sweden, and the actual risk of myocarditis and how myocarditis affects those under 30 folks. The myocarditis risks have been talked about for a long time. None of that data is new. 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Sweden and a couple other Nordic countries have temporarily suspended use of the Moderna vaccine in the under 30 group due to a slight risk (several per million) in myocarditis in that population. What you fail to note is they are recommending the Pfizer vaccine for that group. As for the Swedish health minister, he chose to buck most of the world's public health individuals and go a different route on requiring masks, quarantines, and such when the pandemic started. But the infection and mortality rate in Sweden was much higher than neighboring countries, which then caused Sweden to tighten their policies. You can look it up, it's all out there. Or you can choose to cherrypick like you've done with the vaccine recommendation in the under 30 group and ignore the whoel story. Your choice. The anti-vax defenders are exhausting. "I got the vaccine but let's attack the science of vaccines that we don't understand. BUT I HAVE A DATA POINT ON THIS!!!! A LINK!!!! A COUPLE STUDIES!!!!" Edited October 7, 2021 by Sundancer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The number of deaths of younger than 40 who are healthy are extremely low. With any illness there is a chance of bad things happening. We would not be having this discussion if the rate of death was the healthy under 40 rate. And the risks from the vaccine are way lower. That is the point. And you're ignoring the fact that to fight a global pandemic the more people of all ages vaccinated the lower the number of hosts for the virus to replicate. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Back to Trump land to get the hold outs on board with the vaccine!! Hopes that children will soon be eligible for Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine cheer parents, and Biden pushes vaccine requirements in Chicago https://on.mktw.net/3AorXqm Trump land USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: Then go get Covid and die if you’re willing to give your life. And when you’re gasping for breath and declare like many have when in their death bed that you should have gotten the vaccine, it will be too late. I would be 99% sure this anesthesiologist and the other guy got their childhood vaccines, got their yearly flu vaccines as that is required by many health care organizations. So enough about your freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 You guys can keep screaming at and past each other for weeks, months, and years on end. If you haven't figured it out by now....ALL of this is nothing more than a trial balloon for real government-enforced collectivism. They are desperate to set a precedent here. "We can and will destroy your life, if you don't comply." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You guys can keep screaming at and past each other for weeks, months, and years on end. If you haven't figured it out by now....ALL of this is nothing more than a trial balloon for real government-enforced collectivism. They are desperate to set a precedent here. "We can and will destroy your life, if you don't comply." No. It is about saving lives, always has been, always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: No. It is about saving lives, always has been, always will be. I don’t doubt that it is to you. It is NOT that to the people in charge. Sorry to have to burst your bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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