Doc Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Agreed 100%. Meatball's campaign is just totally forced. The "fundraising" is just from corporate fat cats betting on him in hopes their bribes will pay off, which is similar to what happened as you mentioned with Jeb Bush. At the end of the day the people are the ones who vote and regardless of how many bribes Meatball takes from billionaires, voters aren't wowed by that Right, that's why the left is freaking out over DeSantis. They're even calling him worse than Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNY_amherst Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Right, that's why the left is freaking out over DeSantis. They're even calling him worse than Trump. No one is worse than trump. That POS is a disgrace. Meatball is better than him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 16 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: At the end of the day the people are the ones who vote and regardless of how many bribes Meatball takes from billionaires, voters aren't wowed by that truth as seen by corporate bidens run getting 81 million votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 What a DeSaster. Genghis Ron couldn’t even get “don’t say gay” right. They’re flocking to Florida! Next thing you know black people will be showing up despite all the dangers the NAACP has warned about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNY_amherst Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Steve Bannon: “DeSantis is a little bit on the spectrum” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 19 hours ago, Pokebball said: You don't think the door is closing on Trump then? I think Trump is vulnerable. I also don't think DeSantis is going to be the candidate to overtake him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said: Steve Bannon: “DeSantis is a little bit on the spectrum” I hate to give the source any credit, but ... he may have a point here. Even if not "on the spectrum," we're probably dealing with an introvert. Which is not at all a bad thing. But that introvert needs to get past not one, but two of the biggest loudmouth extroverts on the planet in Trump and then Biden ... Edited June 2 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 47 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I hate to give the source any credit, but ... he may have a point here. Even if not "on the spectrum," we're probably dealing with an introvert. Which is not at all a bad thing. But that introvert needs to get past not one, but two of the biggest loudmouth extroverts on the planet in Trump and then Biden ... Introverts don't seek public office. Much less the Presidency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNY_amherst Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Introverts don't seek public office. Much less the Presidency. that is not true. For some its the family business and they dont know anything else (JFK, Jeb Bush), for others they aren't super successful at anything in the private sector so they run for office (DeSantis, Obama, Hillary Clinton) Edited June 2 by SUNY_amherst 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said: that is not true. For some its the family business and they dont know anything else (JFK, Jeb Bush), for others they aren't super successful at anything in the public sector so they run for office (DeSantis, Hillary Clinton) I know several here have knocked you for reading comprehension. I guess that’s on SUNY-Amherst. Are you actually trying to claim the people you list as introverts? As your leader would say, c’mon man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNY_amherst Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: I know several here have knocked you for reading comprehension. I guess that’s on SUNY-Amherst. Are you actually trying to claim the people you list as introverts? As your leader would say, c’mon man! Oh absolutely. Jeb Bush, DeSantis, & Hillary are all strong introverts. JFK was a little before my time but I watched an interview with Richard Nixon later in his life and he said JFK was a big time introvert, unlike his brothers, and people got him all wrong.** -- **Also made me realize how shittty politicians are today. Nixon is widely seen as the most corrupt douche ever and yet he was a respectful, eloquent dude in that interview Edited June 2 by SUNY_amherst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, SUNY_amherst said: Oh absolutely. Jeb Bush, DeSantis, & Hillary are all strong introverts. JFK was a little before my time but I watched an interview with Richard Nixon later in his life and he said JFK was a big time introvert, unlike his brothers SUNY owes you a refund. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Doc said: Introverts don't seek public office. Much less the Presidency. Jeb Bush, Mike Dukakis, Barack Obama (a more complicated case, but read up on him; he was always much more of an introvert), Hillary Clinton, Al Gore ... just some over the past decades who immediately come to mind. I would guess that introverts actually dominate politics. They are the policy wonks who start off as legislative aides and try to work their way up into their boss's offices. They learn skills for dealing with people that emulate the natural, glad-handing extroverts. For every true extrovert like Biden in the Senate there are probably a dozen Michael Bennets. I will agree that presidential elections greatly favor extroverts, particularly in modern times. I'm not sure this is a good thing. 13 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Oh absolutely. Jeb Bush, DeSantis, & Hillary are all strong introverts. JFK was a little before my time but I watched an interview with Richard Nixon later in his life and he said JFK was a big time introvert, unlike his brothers, and people got him all wrong.** -- **Also made me realize how shittty politicians are today. Nixon is widely seen as the most corrupt douche ever and yet he was a respectful, eloquent dude in that interview You beat me to it. Nixon of course is a prime example of an introvert who made it to the top office. JFK? Umm, that strikes me more as one of those extroverts who likes to pretend that he enjoys quiet time with a book if the woman he was trying to seduce at the moment thought that made him more attractive ... Edited June 2 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNY_amherst Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 34 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Jeb Bush, Mike Dukakis, Barack Obama (a more complicated case, but read up on him; he was always much more of an introvert), Hillary Clinton, Al Gore ... just some over the past decades who immediately come to mind. I would guess that introverts actually dominate politics. They are the policy wonks who start off as legislative aides and try to work their way up into their boss's offices. They learn skills for dealing with people that emulate the natural, glad-handing extroverts. For every true extrovert like Biden in the Senate there are probably a dozen Michael Bennets. I will agree that presidential elections greatly favor extroverts, particularly in modern times. I'm not sure this is a good thing. You beat me to it. Nixon of course is a prime example of an introvert who made it to the top office. JFK? Umm, that strikes me more as one of those extroverts who likes to pretend that he enjoys quiet time with a book if the woman he was trying to seduce at the moment thought that made him more attractive ... Frank Reich owes you a refund! I'm kidding, yeah it was an interesting interview with Nixon where he made those introvert claims, respectfully, about JFK. not sure how or why I came across it but here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MacmN1EtIPQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 While it’s easy to say an individual is either an extrovert, introvert or ambivert based on personality assessments, in reality, the multi-faceted nature of all behavior and the underlying contributors make such an assessment something of a broad-brush approach. The human brain remains the most complex structure in the known universe. With 100 billion neurons, ever-fluctuating neurochemical levels alongside inheritable and learned components of behavior and not to mention dynamic stimuli as we move through life, our characteristics are much more complex than the binary or ternary intro/extro/ambivert distinction suggests. Introvert vs Extrovert: A Look at the Spectrum and Psychology (positivepsychology.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 6 minutes ago, Chris farley said: While it’s easy to say an individual is either an extrovert, introvert or ambivert based on personality assessments, in reality, the multi-faceted nature of all behavior and the underlying contributors make such an assessment something of a broad-brush approach. On this much we agree. It is a spectrum, a sliding scale, whatever you want to call it. Working hypothesis: extremes on the Introvert-Extrovert scale don't make for successful presidencies. (exception that proves the rule: Clinton, an extreme extrovert, who I think had a generally successful presidency) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 23 hours ago, Doc said: Right, that's why the left is freaking out over DeSantis. They're even calling him worse than Trump. Freaking out? You’re the one defending Al Gore 2.0 non stop. DeSaster’s six week abortion ban already ended his candidacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: On this much we agree. It is a spectrum, a sliding scale, whatever you want to call it. Working hypothesis: extremes on the Introvert-Extrovert scale don't make for successful presidencies. (exception that proves the rule: Clinton, an extreme extrovert, who I think had a generally successful presidency) Extremes, maybe. I would agree with the folks above that anyone running for high office is an extrovert. probably extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Chris farley said: Extremes, maybe. I would agree with the folks above that anyone running for high office is an extrovert. probably extreme. Maybe a topic for another discussion (it’s a good one), but I’d have to disagree. Introverts don’t dislike people, and they’re not necessarily poor public speakers - in fact many (Obama) are superb at that. They just don’t necessarily feel the need to be around a lot of other people, and for politicians this sometimes means they have to force themselves to do the glad-handing, working the crowd thing. I’ve always thought that successful politicians are typically either good speech makers or good work the crowd types. Rarely do you find both in the same politician. Maybe Reagan fit that description? In my voting life: - Carter: good with his crowds, boring/weak public speaker - Reagan: had a gift for both - Bush 41: had a gift for neither - Clinton: superb “I feel your pain” work the crowd guy. Cure for insomnia as a public speaker - Bush 43: see Carter - Obama: excellent inspirational speaker, for better at working the crowd but never quite there Trump: great at working the crowd, never translated well to formal speeches Biden: the gladhander to end all gladhanders. Cringeworthy as a speech maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: But that introvert needs to get past not one, but two of the biggest loudmouth extroverts on the planet in Trump and then Biden ... 3 if Chris Christie runs as he is threatening to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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