leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, B-Man said: MORE Kessler. The Washington Post Fact Checker says: "So far, Trump’s rollback of regulations can’t be blamed for Ohio train wreck." Glenn Kessler investigated Trump's statement "I had nothing to do with it." We decided to examine every possible regulatory change made under Trump that could be related to the accident and assess whether it could have made an impact. A preliminary report by the National Transportation Safety Board, which is investigating the incident, said the Norfolk Southern crew received an alert about an overheated wheel bearing and was trying to slow the train before it came off the tracks. From our analysis, none of the regulatory changes made during the Trump administration at this point can be cited as contributing to the accident. https://althouse.blogspot.com/2023/02/the-washington-post-fact-checker-says.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/27/so-far-trumps-rollback-regulations-cant-be-blamed-ohio-train-wreck/ "SO FAR" I’m not certain if this is a coincidence or not. Actual intercepted Western Union telegraph: 27 February 2023: Brothers and Sisters of the Revolution<stop> The fight is yet upon us <stop> We are the only truth <stop> Règlement sur la liberté! <le stop> —CKA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/covid-lab-leak-what-matters/index.html This should not be real- no real scientists believe the virus was natural. No one believes it came from the market unless the bats came from the lab. The lab has had security issues throughout the years and it is insane to argue that the simplest explanation is not the lab. CNN is just lying to lie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) What is it gonna take to make millions of Americans to give up on this network and their favored candidate? On January 12, Ryan discussed with Rupert and Lachlan an article called “The Alternate Reality Machine” about how “the right-wing media ecosystem created an alternative reality for those who had come to rely on its outlets for news” and were the “enablers” of January 6. Ex.620, Ryan 331:18-334:4; Ex.666. Ryan believed that “some high percentage of Americans” thought the election was stolen “because they got a diet of information telling them the election was stolen from what they believe were credible sources.” Ex.620, Ryan 334:6-15. “Rupert responded to Ryan’s email: ‘Thanks Paul. Wake-up call for Hannity, who has been privately disgusted by Trump for weeks, but was scared to lose viewers,’” the filing added. “Ryan replied: ‘[T]he sooner we can put down the echoes of falsehoods from our side, the faster we can get onto principled loyal opposition. I truly hope our contributors, along with Tucker, Laura, and Sean get that and execute,’” the document added. From mediate and the recently released Dominion court docs Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 40 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/covid-lab-leak-what-matters/index.html This should not be real- no real scientists believe the virus was natural. No one believes it came from the market unless the bats came from the lab. The lab has had security issues throughout the years and it is insane to argue that the simplest explanation is not the lab. CNN is just lying to lie. @redtail hawk what do you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: @redtail hawk what do you disagree with? I think it's more than50/50 that the virus is natural. haven't looked at it in a while but RNA sequence was strongly felt to be from natural and not synthetic origin. read section 2.1 - early paper but too tired to look deeper right now. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7280997/ Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, redtail hawk said: I think it's more than50/50 that the virus is natural. haven't looked at it in a while but RNA sequence was strongly felt to be from natural and not synthetic origin. read section 2.1 - early paper but too tired to look deeper right now. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7280997/ @Docplease describe the funny information in the paper. The science was early in its evolution but the review was a good summary of it at the time. what has changed re the genomic analysis of the original wild type virus? this why "doing your own research" is ridiculous... Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 hours ago, redtail hawk said: I think it's more than50/50 that the virus is natural. haven't looked at it in a while but RNA sequence was strongly felt to be from natural and not synthetic origin. read section 2.1 - early paper but too tired to look deeper right now. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7280997/ You literally picked an article that was written when they had less than 3 million total cases, we were basing the science of minimal information. This is like using an article from 1960 about heart health 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: You literally picked an article that was written when they had less than 3 million total cases, we were basing the science of minimal information. This is like using an article from 1960 about heart health no it's not. genomic sequencing hasn't significantly changed in 2 years as far as I know. show me where the science of the pathogenesis of this virus has changed. spend a few hours combing this and give your opinion: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf and this (published July 2022) https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2022/20220726-andersen-covid.html. the 2 source papers are cited in the news piece Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Under Drudge huge headline FOX, What a Mess https://news.yahoo.com/murdoch-testified-fox-commentators-endorsed-222614792.html Murdoch believed the prez election results were real as soon as AZ was called by Fox. Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: no it's not. genomic sequencing hasn't significantly changed in 2 years as far as I know. show me where the science of the pathogenesis of this virus has changed. spend a few hours combing this and give your opinion: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf and this (published July 2022) https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2022/20220726-andersen-covid.html. the 2 source papers are cited in the news piece Both papers are making their analysis while acknowledging missing information. I am recognizing a large piece of information that should be primary: the Chinese government would have proven if COVID was not a lab creation, instead they bulldozed the market. We all agree that the lab was working on COVID, we all agree that the virus started in town, we all agree that as of this moment we can't find the path from animal to human. At this point I can't convince you because you trust the Chinese government, nothing I could show you will change your mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: @Docplease describe the funny information in the paper. The science was early in its evolution but the review was a good summary of it at the time. what has changed re the genomic analysis of the original wild type virus? this why "doing your own research" is ridiculous... What's so funny about it. Again you have a BSL-4 lab proven to have been doing gain of function on CoV, a government that was deceptive/secretive from the start, several Chinese scientist whistleblowers and no animal reservoir. Occam's razor should tell you what the most logical conclusion is. The fact that you're stuck on partisan politics because Trump said it was from the lab 3 years ago is what's sad, from a supposed clinician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Both papers are making their analysis while acknowledging missing information. I am recognizing a large piece of information that should be primary: the Chinese government would have proven if COVID was not a lab creation, instead they bulldozed the market. We all agree that the lab was working on COVID, we all agree that the virus started in town, we all agree that as of this moment we can't find the path from animal to human. At this point I can't convince you because you trust the Chinese government, nothing I could show you will change your mind. no, I trust the scientists who spent their adult lives studying virology and genomic sequencing. There appears to be no consensus altho the majority of intelligence agencies and their robust virology scientists still believe that the virus occurred naturally. All agree it wasn't a bioweapon and occurred in a part of the world ripe for its natural occurrence. Yes, China could answer the question but they won't. So we need to go on the scientific analyses we have. after searching for new source material (there is little) and posting what I found, I think this aptly describes the current knowledge base of the scientific community:: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/covid-lab-leak-what-matters/index.html “We don’t just take information or just take a feeling and turn it into analysis,” she said. “We’re actually doing a rigorous process and that’s why we don’t know yet. The evidence isn’t there.” Edited February 28, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 "While the intelligence community remains very much split on what led to the virus, they were completely aligned on three key points when they first issued a two-page unclassified report in 2021: The virus was not developed as a biological weapon. Most of the agencies believe the virus was not genetically engineered. (Two agencies did not think there was sufficient evidence to make an assessment either way.) Chinese officials did not have “foreknowledge of the virus” before the initial outbreak." CNN doing what it does. While we talk of a new WHO led world wide pandemic treaty. https://www.statnews.com/2023/01/20/new-pandemic-treaty-good-for-world-and-america/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: no, I trust the scientists who spent their adult lives studying virology and genomic sequencing. There appears to be no consensus altho the majority of intelligence agencies and their robust virology scientists still believe that the virus occurred naturally. All agree it wasn't a bioweapon and occurred in a part of the world ripe for its natural occurrence. Yes, China could answer the question but they won't. So we need to go on the scientific analyses we have. after searching for new source material (there is little) and posting what I found, I think this aptly describes the current knowledge base of the scientific community:: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/covid-lab-leak-what-matters/index.html “We don’t just take information or just take a feeling and turn it into analysis,” she said. “We’re actually doing a rigorous process and that’s why we don’t know yet. The evidence isn’t there.” From wear a folded handkerchief on your face to approving J&J, to claiming the vaccine stops covid dead in its tracks one thing we know for sure during the covid era is that the “experts” have been doing a rigorous process. Trust the science! smh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: From wear a folded handkerchief on your face to approving J&J, to claiming the vaccine stops covid dead in its tracks one thing we know for sure during the covid era is that the “experts” have been doing a rigorous process. Trust the science! smh if anything, the last few years have taught us those "expert voices" and their parrots were mostly wrong and have no integrity left. like the boy that cried wolf, over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Change the title of this thread to Fox news can't be trusted. They admitted they lied about the heart of our democracy in an attempt to subvert it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chris farley said: if anything, the last few years have taught us those "expert voices" and their parrots were mostly wrong and have no integrity left. like the boy that cried wolf, over and over again. sure, all the scientists who said such things are part of a conspiracy and wanted their friends and families to suffer lifestyle inconveniences because? 19 minutes ago, Chris farley said: CNN doing what it does. and yet you believe Fox even after its CEO admitted under oath that his hosts were lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: sure, all the scientists who said such things are part of a conspiracy and wanted their friends and families to suffer lifestyle inconveniences because? No integrity left. NONE. Power, lobbyist, used to work for the industry. MONEY. Lots of effing money. Power Without the pandemic mail in emergency election processes, 81 million? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: sure, all the scientists who said such things are part of a conspiracy and wanted their friends and families to suffer lifestyle inconveniences because? and yet you believe Fox even after its CEO admitted under oath that his hosts were lying. Exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: and yet you believe Fox even after its CEO admitted under oath that his hosts were lying. CNN, Fox, MSNBC, NYT, Wa-Po, all for profit media. Anything for clicks. its funny how you all forget about all the CNN and MSNBC lawsuits over them outright lying. its all the same. Edited February 28, 2023 by Chris farley 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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