Republicans Dumping On Lynne Cheney For Telling The Truth

[Unforgiven]

3 hours ago, TH3 said:

Boy that Liz sure has set up shop in your brain😂LOL

ROFL

You dimwits come up with nothing on your own. You steal other peoples ideas.

[Doc]

On 5/13/2021 at 8:19 PM, B-Man said:

Liz Cheney Goes on Fox News, Loses Her Ever-Loving Mind

 

 

 

Apparently, Liz Cheney’s ouster from leadership has taught her nothing.

 

She went on Fox News this evening with Bret Baier. Instead of trying to reconcile with voters or show that she’s focused on moving forward and combating Joe Biden, the Wyoming congresswoman lost her ever-loving mind, ranting about “The Big Lie” and refusing to hold Democrats accountable for anything. She even managed to attack Fox News directly, which is an odd thing to do when you are being interviewed by someone as straight and level as Baier.

 

 

Cheney’s arrogance seethes through these clips, which is ironic given that would be one of her chief criticisms of Trump. Baier is dead-on in pressing her about where her priorities are. Why would any Republican dedicate their life to stopping a former Republican president? Where was this fire when it came to opposing Democrats, who are ostensibly Cheney’s opposition?

 

 

But there was one final clip that should really get your blood pumping. Baier asked her about spreading a false story about Russian bounties which was propagated extensively to attack Trump during the 2020 election. I’ve written extensively on that so click here and here for background.

 

This was her answer.

 

 

 

She has no regrets? The story was false, so how exactly does that confirm any of her priors? This just shows that Cheney has no principles and is guided by nothing but a blind thirst for power. This is a woman who went from the backbench to leadership in just four years. That was almost certainly due to her family’s name and not her qualifications (as her floundering performance would later show). Instead of showing some humility and just admitting she was wrong here, she doubles down, once again perpetuating a lie that has been used to prolong the war in Afghanistan. How war-hungry can one person be?

 

What Cheney did in this interview is validate every criticism recently leveled against her. Forget about Trump. This is not a woman who needs to be anywhere near Republican leadership. Heck, I’m pretty sure she has no business being in the party at all at this point. She is obviously pushing this martyrdom act to raise her profile, recognizing that Trump has derailed her previous path to power (no doubt, she wanted to be Speaker one day).

 

If she cared one iota about the truth, she’d correct her lies on Russian bounties, focus on Joe Biden, and help Republicans win in 2022. Instead, she’s operating as a pawn for left-wing media and trashing every bastion of conservatism along the way.

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/05/13/liz-cheney-goes-on-fox-news-loses-her-ever-loving-mind-n379938

 

Circling back to this...this is why she needs to be gone not just from leadership but from the Repub party.  She solely relied on "feelz" WRT Trump and Russia.  And then when called on it/proven to be wrong, lied even more.

 

[SoCal Deek]

I’ve stayed out of this entire thread because I honestly don’t understand why anyone thinks this is a story. If these two political parties would spend more time crafting legislation that improves the country and the lives of its citizens and less time on their internal infighting, committee appointments, lunches with lobbyists, photo op tours of distant lands, and campaign fund raising we would all be better off. So in short, who cares about Liz Cheney other than Liz and her new found fans on CNN? 

[Governor]

34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve stayed out of this entire thread because I honestly don’t understand why anyone thinks this is a story. If these two political parties would spend more time crafting legislation that improves the country and the lives of its citizens and less time on their internal infighting, committee appointments, lunches with lobbyists, photo op tours of distant lands, and campaign fund raising we would all be better off. So in short, who cares about Liz Cheney other than Liz and her new found fans on CNN? 

The Senate has been meeting daily on the infrastructure package that’s getting ready to pass.

 

I have no idea what Republicans in the House are doing. Some sort of weird cult cleansing process.

[B-Man]

 

 

THIS.............this is why I post here TH3,

 

to illustrate how crazy the Left is over this Cheney silliness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JUST THINK OF THE MEDIA AS DEMOCRATIC PARTY OPERATIVES WITH BYLINES, AND IT ALL MAKES SENSE: 

 

America Declines, Media Obsess Over GOP Squabbles.

 

This is how you know the “news” today is whatever narrative the Biden-coddling “mainstream” media decide to adopt. They’re never going to sound like Ted Cruz, who says “Biden policies are failing across the board: economically, domestically and abroad.” They’re going to sound like humanoid robots programmed by Jen Psaki.

It’s not even entertaining to imagine how the media would cover these developments if Donald Trump were president. Trump would be blamed for all this, but it’s also safe to assume they would be doing a large chunk of what they’re doing now: obsessing over the dangerous Republican party, championing the protests of Liz Cheney, wallowing in “new” footage of the dreadful January 6 riot.

The media pretend that they exist to moderate our democracy and hold public servants accountable and explain complicated policy matters. Instead, they focus on food fights and clickbait and exacerbating the nastiness of social media.

Curtis Houck of the Media Research Center studied CNN coverage for 12 hours on May 12 and found they spent 151 minutes obsessing over Liz Cheney’s impending ouster and only 55 minutes and change on multiple economic problems mounting in the country. That’s almost a three-to-one disparity.

 

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2021/05/14/column-america-declines-media-obsess-over-gop-squabbles

[B-Man]

 

 

The Truth Behind The Cheney Story

by Erick Erikson

 

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/erickson-the-truth-behind-the-cheney-story

 

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 5/14/2021 at 2:23 PM, SCBills said:

Liz Cheney is a war mongering hawk.  Stop pretending you like her.  
 

Meanwhile, you have over a dozen Congressional Dems criticizing Biden over his support for Israel.   Not a peep from the national media about the very real fissure in the Democratic Party over the Palestine/Israel escalation.  

 

I no longer believe they are “pretending” to like warmongering Liz Cheney. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are two sides to the same coin. They defended Obama’s military interventionism, they defended Hillary Clinton’s, and they will be defending Biden’s. The Democrats are firmly a party of American imperialism now. The party that “opposed” Bush’s Iraq War died in 2009.

 

That fissure you mention within the Democratic Party has more to do with the voting constituents than with the elected national politicians. And the Palestine/Israel escalation issue is simply a furthering of an already large fissure that had been growing since December. The public policy straw that may have broken the progressive camel’s (donkey’s?) back was the $15 minimum wage rejection in the Senate.

 

Corporate media can run all the interference they want for Joe Biden in 2021, but reality has a delightfully forceful way of making herself known! Can the centrist Democrats corral enough progressives back into the party and avoid losing both the House and the Senate next November? In my opinion, based on the current sentiment among the far-left that I’m seeing and the already razor-thin margins, that would be an emphatic “no.” The Democrats will need to conjure up another specter similar to The Great Orange Menace, unless they feel that particular well has not yet run dry.

[B-Man]

Elise Stefanik Shows Why She's a Leader as Liz Cheney Still Yells at Clouds

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/05/17/elise-stefanik-shows-why-shes-a-leader-as-liz-cheney-still-yells-at-clouds-n381622

 

 

[TH3]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Elise Stefanik Shows Why She's a Leader follower as Liz Cheney Still Yells at Clouds

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/05/17/elise-stefanik-shows-why-shes-a-leader-as-liz-cheney-still-yells-at-clouds-n381622

 

 

FIFY

[Doc]

It guess the left is gonna be on this for awhile.  The other news is terrible...

Edited May 17, 2021 by Doc

[BillStime]

HAHAHAHA

 

 

[Unforgiven]

Liz should just join the the cult of the mask party.

[TH3]

On 5/15/2021 at 8:50 AM, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve stayed out of this entire thread because I honestly don’t understand why anyone thinks this is a story. If these two political parties would spend more time crafting legislation that improves the country and the lives of its citizens and less time on their internal infighting, committee appointments, lunches with lobbyists, photo op tours of distant lands, and campaign fund raising we would all be better off. So in short, who cares about Liz Cheney other than Liz and her new found fans on CNN? 

That's the point of the LC story....instead of focusing on policy...the GOP spends its time purging non Trump/Big Lie people...instead of working for the people.

 

20 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

The Truth.....according to a hack....behind The Cheney Story

by Erick Erikson

 

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/erickson-the-truth-behind-the-cheney-story

 

FIFY

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

On 5/13/2021 at 7:41 AM, Governor said:

Millennial voters are now at the age where they become reliable voters

 

On 5/13/2021 at 12:28 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Thing with Millennials is they are now getting to the point where they have houses and families.  They are going to become jaded now that they have assets at all the helicopter money and how it erodes their savings.

 

"Geriatric Millennials":

 

https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/millennials-outraged-over-ageist-new-label-geriatric/

 

[Tiberius]

On 5/16/2021 at 8:49 PM, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

I no longer believe they are “pretending” to like warmongering Liz Cheney. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are two sides to the same coin. They defended Obama’s military interventionism, they defended Hillary Clinton’s, and they will be defending Biden’s. The Democrats are firmly a party of American imperialism now. The party that “opposed” Bush’s Iraq War died in 2009.

 

That fissure you mention within the Democratic Party has more to do with the voting constituents than with the elected national politicians. And the Palestine/Israel escalation issue is simply a furthering of an already large fissure that had been growing since December. The public policy straw that may have broken the progressive camel’s (donkey’s?) back was the $15 minimum wage rejection in the Senate.

 

Corporate media can run all the interference they want for Joe Biden in 2021, but reality has a delightfully forceful way of making herself known! Can the centrist Democrats corral enough progressives back into the party and avoid losing both the House and the Senate next November? In my opinion, based on the current sentiment among the far-left that I’m seeing and the already razor-thin margins, that would be an emphatic “no.” The Democrats will need to conjure up another specter similar to The Great Orange Menace, unless they feel that particular well has not yet run dry.

What are you an isolationist or something? Democracy abroad is important to democracy at home. Though the isolationist have tried to pull us out of the field so Russia has some breathing space to push authoritarianism democracy has had a great run under our leadership. Good 

[BillStime]

LMAO

 

 

[B-Man]

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 5/18/2021 at 4:12 PM, Tiberius said:

What are you an isolationist or something? Democracy abroad is important to democracy at home. Though the isolationist have tried to pull us out of the field so Russia has some breathing space to push authoritarianism democracy has had a great run under our leadership. Good 

 

“Isolationist” is a pejorative term, Tibsy. That was hurtful. I prefer “non-interventionist.” I generally believe in the Golden Rule when it comes to foreign policy. There are other ways of promoting democracy that don’t involve coups, hard sanctions, and regime change wars against countries that did not invade others.

 

To be crystal clear, the United States does not intervene in the name of democracy and/or human rights. It selectively does so on the basis of profit maximization and natural resource extraction. There are about 200 countries in the world. About half of them can be considered authoritarian, and many of those 100 or so others that are called democracies can be considered highly flawed ones at that. Why not intervene in all of them? We seem to pick on ones in the Middle East and avoid others in, say, Africa. It’s not always about crusading against authoritarianism, either. We also seem to pick on Latin American countries whenever they willingly veer toward democratic socialism.

 

Let’s think about the efficacy of military interventionism for a moment. How well has it gone since World War 2? Let’s focus specifically on Obama’s military interventionism: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. How well did all of those go? Would we do them over again if we had that choice? What do human rights watch groups think of those 7 situations? How much of the total U.S. national debt has gone toward these activities? Did they help deter Putin from annexing Crimea in 2014? Maybe they instead motivated him to do that?

 

Furthermore, the Russia hysteria is way overblown. This is twentieth century fearmongering propaganda from the corporate oligarchs who own the United States government. From the Democratic side, they use Russia. From the Republican side, they use China. And given the fearmongering choice between the two, the Russian one is laughable. Their GDP is less than 10% of ours despite having over 30% of our population size. Because their economy is so over-the-top in its dependence on the fossil fuel industry, they are extremely easy to subdue using only peaceful tactics and strategies. Sure, Russia still has a lot of nukes and that makes them a player to be taken seriously on the international stage. But we already have that effectively countered with our nuclear triad. A U.S. policy of regime change is an entirely disproportionate response to the specific ways that Russia is pushing authoritarianism. And Putin’s foreign policy maneuvers are for economic leverage, first and foremost. The promotion of authoritarianism is subsidiary. I’m also not buying the unified Slavic ethnostate idea one bit because Putin is smart and must know it’s not remotely practical.

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

“Isolationist” is a pejorative term, Tibsy. That was hurtful. I prefer “non-interventionist.” I generally believe in the Golden Rule when it comes to foreign policy. There are other ways of promoting democracy that don’t involve coups, hard sanctions, and regime change wars against countries that did not invade others.

 

 

Let’s think about the efficacy of military interventionism for a moment. How well has it gone since World War 2? Let’s focus specifically on Obama’s military interventionism: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. How well did all of those go? Would we do them over again if we had that choice? What do human rights watch groups think of those 7 situations? How much of the total U.S. national debt has gone toward these activities? Did they help deter Putin from annexing Crimea in 2014? Maybe they instead motivated him to do that?

 

Since WW2? How do you leave the fall of the Berlin Wall out of that and the FREEING of Eastern Europe? Ya, real failed foreign policy! 

 

South America is hardly perfect but way better than they were in the past. South Africa is finally turning the corner and we are trying in the rest of Africa. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

51 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Since WW2? How do you leave the fall of the Berlin Wall out of that and the FREEING of Eastern Europe? Ya, real failed foreign policy! 

 

South America is hardly perfect but way better than they were in the past. South Africa is finally turning the corner and we are trying in the rest of Africa. 

 

The Soviet Union collapsed because its implemented economic system doesn’t work and its bureaucracy became unmanageable. The efficacy of the various Cold War proxy wars is completely overblown by war hawk propagandists. The most involved one, of course, was the Vietnam War which didn’t turn out so well for us.

 

I will reiterate: there are other ways to promote democracy that don’t involve regime change wars and coups. Carefully crafted multilateral trade deals are one such way.

 

I’m not even going to attempt to properly break down U.S.-Latin America and U.S.-Africa foreign policy history this morning. Suffice to say, words like “blowback” and phrases like “human rights violations” would be used frequently.

 

I noticed that you didn’t address Obama’s 7 military interventions. How come? Do you still defend them in terms of ethics, budgetary cost, military strategy, and international diplomacy?