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3 hours ago, ngbills said:

The game was very close. Yes, 19-3 looked like this was going to be a blowout. Even without the Fumble the 19-10 still would have looked like Chiefs were dominating.

 

2nd half was a different story even before Mahomes was hurt. Browns drive down 70 yards and score a TD to make it 19-10. Then hold KC to FG, 4th straight drive with a FG or nothing. Mahomes now gets hurt and its 22-10. CLE drives 70 yards again and scores so its 22-17 (Mahomes does not play D). CLE then gets the INT and it is looking like could win the game. KC is able to hold on with Henne and some luck on their side. But CLE had all the momentum for a big part of this game and almost stole it. 

Yep.... how it evolved into "the Browns couldn't even beat Chad Henne" is beyond ridiculous. 

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The Chiefs entered the off season after getting man handled in the Super Bowl because their O-line had fallen apart.  They blew up their O-line and decided to rebuild.  On paper at least, they look to

The Browns came in 3rd in their own division last year.  (I know they were only one game behind the Steelers)   I think you are underestimating the advantage of having Josh Allen at the helm

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1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Yep.... how it evolved into "the Browns couldn't even beat Chad Henne" is beyond ridiculous. 

They were getting dominated everywhere except the scoreboard before Mahomes went down. Nobody watching the first 40 minutes of that game thought the Browns had a chance.

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7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

They were getting dominated everywhere except the scoreboard before Mahomes went down. Nobody watching the first 40 minutes of that game thought the Browns had a chance.

They had a bad break with the reversed TD for a TB and then got a boost with a TD after halftime... and then really got momentum when Mahomes went out. 

 

I agree though, I never thought the Browns had a chance until Mahomes went out.... then I did.... but some are acting like the Browns suck because Chad Henne "beat them". That's ridiculous. Henne made one big play to win the game for them.... a full game with Chad Henne and the outcome is much different. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Games aren't played on paper, they are played on the field. Adding a bunch of pieces doesn't do a lot if they don't fit properly.
 

 

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18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

When Cleveland didn't have the run game going, Mayfield wasn't good enough to carry them. It's why they lost to the Jets. It was the same in most losses they had.


I don’t think the Jets loss is a fair case.  I believe that was the game when most of the Brownies WR were out on Covid list, so the Brownies couldn’t run because the Jets just clamped down on the run and said “I dare ya”

 

Point valid that Mayfield had some other games the press would have shreddified Allen for

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1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

They had a bad break with the reversed TD for a TB and then got a boost with a TD after halftime... and then really got momentum when Mahomes went out. 

 

I agree though, I never thought the Browns had a chance until Mahomes went out.... then I did. 

 

Yeh. IIRC Njoku singlehandedly kept them in the game with some once in a lifetime catches.

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I think the Browns are definitely being overvalued, it took them barely beating backups to get into the playoffs an then made the most of it when they got in. I think the Steelers are still the team to beat with Big Ben coming back, he is obviously in decline but get a cast of healthy players back in the lineup. To me it's the Chiefs/Bills/Steelers imo.

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21 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Games aren't played on paper, they are played on the field. Adding a bunch of pieces doesn't do a lot if they don't fit properly. And we have yet to see what that fit will look like. We already know how the Bills pieces fit. They went 13-3 against one of the toughest schedules in the NFL.

 

When Cleveland didn't have the run game going, Mayfield wasn't good enough to carry them. It's why they lost to the Jets. It was the same in most losses they had.

I certainly hope you're right. I just think Mayfield is better than average and is gradually evolving into the type of player who'll put up an elite season or two over the course of his career. His ceiling is Drew Brees and his floor is Andy Dalton (who has had a better career than many realize: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00.htm). Where he ends up will be interesting to watch. Anyway, we shall see. 

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18 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

I think the Browns are definitely being overvalued, it took them barely beating backups to get into the playoffs an then made the most of it when they got in. I think the Steelers are still the team to beat with Big Ben coming back, he is obviously in decline but get a cast of healthy players back in the lineup. To me it's the Chiefs/Bills/Steelers imo.

Let’s not forget to “quote the Ravens”

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1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

49 negative emojis, Congratulations! You’re the new leader in Most Ridiculous Thread category!

 

The leader in the Most Ridiculous Thread category?    I will wear it as a Badge of Honor!

 

You do realize my "ridiculous" opinion is that I think the Browns have edged the Bills, and the Browns are now #2 in the AFC and the Bills are #3.  That the Browns have added enough to their defensive roster this off season to mitigate the talent difference between Allen and Mayfield.  

 

Sure, I did state why I felt that way in a measured manner and didn't just throw that opinion out there without any explanation, but still, to say that the Cleveland Browns could have gotten better than the Bills on TBD....?   The gall!  The nerve!  The audacity!  The horror!   What the hell did I eat for breakfast yesterday???

 

People can launch all the vomiting emojis they want.   I stand by my OP.  

 

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6 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

The leader in the Most Ridiculous Thread category?    I will wear it as a Badge of Honor!

 

You do realize my "ridiculous" opinion is that I think the Browns have edged the Bills, and the Browns are now #2 in the AFC and the Bills are #3.  That the Browns have added enough to their roster this off season to mitigate the talent difference between Allen and Mayfield. 

 

Sure, I did state why I felt that way in a measured manner and didn't just throw that opinion out there without any explanation, but still, to say that the Cleveland Browns could have gotten better than the Bills on TBD....?   The gall!  The nerve!  The audacity!  The horror!   What the hell did I eat for breakfast yesterday???

 

People can launch all the vomiting emojis they want.   I stand by my OP.  

 

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As a long-time Bills fan like yourself, I am sure you know that winning free agency and putting together a talented roster is only part of the equation.  That is how the Bills spent 4 years "in the hunt" for a wild card berth.  

 

Your point is plausible but much like with the Bills prior to last year many of us fall in the we will believe it when we see it camp.

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With everyday looking like they are going to let full capacity at the stadiums i think home field advantage is going to be huge this year.  Hopefully the road thru the super bowl for the AFC this year runs thru Orchard Park.  With the rosters comparable on a talent level, I will take us over the Browns.  I just think Allen is so much better than Baker.

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5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

As a long-time Bills fan like yourself, I am sure you know that winning free agency and putting together a talented roster is only part of the equation.  That is how the Bills spent 4 years "in the hunt" for a wild card berth.  

 

Your point is plausible but much like with the Bills prior to last year many of us fall in the we will believe it when we see it camp.

Put it this way: on Bovada right now I can get Bills +600 to win AFC and Browns +750. For reference the Broncos are +900. Which roughly says the oddsmakers put the idea that the Browns will be better than the Bills as just as likely as the Broncos being better than the Browns.

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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Put it this way: on Bovada right now I can get Bills +600 to win AFC and Browns +750. For reference the Broncos are +900. Which roughly says the oddsmakers put the idea that the Browns will be better than the Bills as just as likely as the Broncos being better than the Browns.

 

 

There's a regular poster on TBD who won $4K two years ago betting the over when Vegas said the Over/Under for Bills' wins that year was 6.  The Bills won 10.

 

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9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Put it this way: on Bovada right now I can get Bills +600 to win AFC and Browns +750. For reference the Broncos are +900. Which roughly says the oddsmakers put the idea that the Browns will be better than the Bills as just as likely as the Broncos being better than the Browns.

On my station casino app in LV, the bills are +1000.  When last season ended and they released their odd, I bet the Bills @ +900 on the same app. According to Vegas, the odds of us winning has gone down since the offseason started 

 

the browns are currently +1200

the Broncos are +2200

 

 

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1 minute ago, NewEra said:

On my station casino app in LV, the bills are +1000.  When last season ended and they released their odd, I bet the Bills @ +900 on the same app.

 

the browns are currently +1200

the Broncos are +2200

 

 

Then you should know the Bills are historically undervalued and the Browns the opposite

 

I like them to miss the playoffs more than overtake the Bills this season

2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

There's a regular poster on TBD who won $4K two years ago betting the over when Vegas said the Over/Under for Bills' wins that year was 6.  The Bills won 10.

 

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30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Then you should know the Bills are historically undervalued and the Browns the opposite

 

I like them to miss the playoffs more than overtake the Bills this season

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The browns are overvalued historically?  BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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The Browns had a great offseason. 

 

Secondary was their clear weakness last season. Now, they will Delpit back from injury, Greedy Williams back from injury, Newsome comes in, and Denzel Ward at Cornerback. 

 

They kept Harrison as well, and Johnson and Hill. 

 

Linebacker was the other soft spot, and they signed Anthony Walker and drafted JOK.

 

They are young and deep at almost every position.  

 

 

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I think there is some merit and this is more well thought out compared to some takes.

 

BUT... I really feel these takes come from a place based off the Browns barely losing to the Chiefs vs. the Bills losing a less competitive game. The Browns absolutely have made strides which is nice to see as we came from a similar place. They also have yet to win a playoff game, division crown, and their QB doesn't rate as highly as others in the AFC.

 

I believe the Browns are the class of the AFC North this year, but I also want to see how they handle the pressure of being that team and going the distance. The Bills mindset is literally at this point SB or bust. They could go 11-5-1 and Cleveland 13-4 and I do not think they would bat an eye considering their main goal is the SB. Cleveland in my opinion is not there, they are where the Bills were last season.

 

Also the Bills remind me a bit of the Colts in the mid 2000s where the Patriots were the immovable force they had to vanquish if they wanted their ring. It gets to a point where tunnel vision kicks in and everything else doesn't matter. KC is at that point and I think the Bills learned it last year. Cleveland seems step away, but another contender if they learn it.

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28 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I think there is some merit and this is more well thought out compared to some takes.

 

BUT... I really feel these takes come from a place based off the Browns barely losing to the Chiefs vs. the Bills losing a less competitive game. The Browns absolutely have made strides which is nice to see as we came from a similar place. They also have yet to win a playoff game, division crown, and their QB doesn't rate as highly as others in the AFC.

 

I believe the Browns are the class of the AFC North this year, but I also want to see how they handle the pressure of being that team and going the distance. The Bills mindset is literally at this point SB or bust. They could go 11-5-1 and Cleveland 13-4 and I do not think they would bat an eye considering their main goal is the SB. Cleveland in my opinion is not there, they are where the Bills were last season.

 

Also the Bills remind me a bit of the Colts in the mid 2000s where the Patriots were the immovable force they had to vanquish if they wanted their ring. It gets to a point where tunnel vision kicks in and everything else doesn't matter. KC is at that point and I think the Bills learned it last year. Cleveland seems step away, but another contender if they learn it.

The Browns won a playoff this past season after the Steelers went out and spotted them a 21 point lead.  

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