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1 hour ago, FFadpecr said:

This is unbelievable.

 

People would rather Beane, who has shown to not be good at evaluating Defense, to draft Defense at 30 just because it appears to be a bigger need. And then thinking that basically a 2nd round pick in a terrible Defensive draft class made by Brandon Beane will suddenly transform this defense into an elite unit. That sounds good on paper and sounds cute in theory. 

 

How about no. Get the sure thing on Offense. It's a "sure thing" because Josh will make sure of it. You give Josh an offensive weapon at 30, Josh will make sure that guy makes an impact. An offensive weapon at RB or WR there at 30 has a much much much much higher floor than any defensive player you draft. Don't whiff on this pick.

Who were these “terrible” defensive draft picks?  I think he has done pretty well there - for sure not terrible.

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Any player that isn't a CB or RB.   Go back and look at the last 5 drafts.  DEs past the top 10 are a crapshoot.  About the same rate of success as any other round.    Every other

I don't want them to draft ANYONE at 30. I'd like them to trade down. I'd then like to see them use the accrued picks to trade around and back up a time or two, ultimately winding up with 4-5 pic

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13 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

agreed.  There are still some ring chasers available at CB like Sherman and Edge Rusher like Houston and Ingram whom I’m sure Beane has talked to.  Those guys would’ve already signed with rebuilding teams if they were chasing money.  Sherman just gave an interview that the teams he’s looking at are waiting until after they see who they draft.  

I also don’t chirp the narrative that the Bills have “done nothing” with their DL. The DL itself will not be the same. They return Star in the middle which will allow Oliver to play 3tech, that’s huge in itself. They added Obada who had 5.5 sacks last year, already played for the DL coach so has a less of a learning curve than some FA adds would. This DE is a young, fast and explosive physical freak who had more sacks last year, in a rotation, than any of our DL. Then you factor in development of epenesa who has had a full offseason in the program and will actually have, it looks like , in person OTAs and a normal TC and he was really breaking out down the stretch last year. I anticipate at least one more addition in the draft or FA as it is only early April. 

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52 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Didn’t read through all of the pages but I’ll comment on the ‘we need to beat the Chiefs’ chatter. Having rewatched the AFC Championship game it was obvious the problem was the offensive line. They couldn’t block for the running game and couldn’t stop the pass rush. Let’s hope they’ve done something to change that up. But with that said, losing one playoff game to KC doesn’t even come close to meaning we’re gonna face them every year. Each new season brings its own story. 

 

36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was bored and watching the Chargers game yesterday and the analysts were raving about the DL and secondary and how they had been playing the 2nd half of the season. The team knows they need to get better to win the SB and have expressed this but the whole team played poorly in both chiefs games last year, they didn’t execute when they needed to. and there are some reasons for that (injuries are one) but overreacting to one game isn’t a healthy way to approach the offseason imo. They need (and have I’m sure) self-scouted the entire season not just one game. There are also FA signings that can take place after the draft once the dust settles and they see where they are at each position group. Every team starts over this year, including KC. They lost both OTs and mahomes is coming off of foot surgery. 

Fully agree with both of you and I wrote it couple of times here already. No need to overreact to AFCCG and try to reshape things just to beat Chiefs. We were 15-4 team overall so no need to panic. Just add some more pieces in FA and draft BPA. I for one hope for one speed guy in offense (WR or RB), one OL (you need to draft OL in top 3 rounds at least every other year) and either DE or CB with our first three picks. Then some big guy as DT in fifth.

 

And I think it is apparent that our FO sees it same way (no need to panic part).

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5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah.

 

Allen needs to keep improving. He needs to keep getting better at working with Diggs.

 

The intended starting OL didn't play together for a single snap. They need to do a lot better than that, and with Ford and Feliciano as the guards, they need to take advantage of that beef and aggression and improve the running game, and last year's RB rookie and 2nd year guys need to keep developing.

 

Were you thrilled with how the defense performed against the Chiefs? I'd argue they have to improve a lot more than the offense.


I said our defense needs to improve.  The d was laughable in the AFCCG. I thought that the bills game plan on D (and O) was the biggest issue though.  
 

hopefully having the intended starting OL intact will help the run game, but if we need to keep all 5 starting OL together in order to run the ball, than we’re doing something wrong.  It’s rare for any team to have their starting OL healthy all year.

 

I just don’t like the thought process that says “our Wr unit is our strongest unit, drafting a WR would be dumb.”  No, it would be dumb if that player turns out to be a key cog in winning the super bowl.  There are many ways to skin a cat.

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1 minute ago, NewEra said:


I said our defense needs to improve.  The d was laughable in the AFCCG. I thought that the bills game plan on D (and O) was the biggest issue though.  
 

hopefully having the intended starting OL intact will help the run game, but if we need to keep all 5 starting OL together in order to run the ball, than we’re doing something wrong.  It’s rare for any team to have their starting OL healthy all year.

 

I just don’t like the thought process that says “our Wr unit is our strongest unit, drafting a WR would be dumb.”  No, it would be dumb if that player turns out to be a key cog in winning the super bowl.  There are many ways to skin a cat.

Maybe, but it was reported after the SB that the Bucs used the same game plan as the Bills. I didn’t study the all-22s but that was discussed.  It really came down to execution of that plan. Tre white said the same in his interview this week. 

 

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19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe, but it was reported after the SB that the Bucs used the same game plan as the Bills. I didn’t study the all-22s but that was discussed.  It really came down to execution of that plan. Tre white said the same in his interview this week. 

 

The Bucs were also playing against a completely different OL that had never played a game together.  Losing Fisher in the AFCCG was a huge blow that they couldn’t overcome. Lots of credit to the bucs.  Their D is more stacked than ours.
 

I just don’t think that “not blitzing” isn’t really the same as running the same scheme.  I’d have to look more in detail.  
 

I’m not saying that out D is fine.  It’s not.  I’m saying that our O isn’t fine and has a lot of room for improvement . 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This.


What did you expect him to say?  


Players will almost always put the blame on the players.

 

Coaches will almost always put the blame on the coaches. 
 

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49 minutes ago, NewEra said:


What did you expect him to say?  


Players will almost always put the blame on the players.

 

Coaches will almost always put the blame on the players 

Leslie did nothing of the sort. The main idea is that (if I could find a link I would) it was reported/discussed after the SB that the Bucs used the same defensive game plan as the Bills vs the Chiefs. I can’t validate that on my own I didn’t compare the all 22s. But someone did, so just pointing it out. Tre mentioned specific plays that were there that weren’t made. The Bills simply played a bad game all around and pointing the finger at any one unit is fruitless. In the nfl It’s not who you play, it’s how you play. The bills would have lost to a lot of teams that night imho. 

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1 hour ago, NewEra said:


What did you expect him to say?  


Players will almost always put the blame on the players.

 

Coaches will almost always put the blame on the players 

 

I am not on about what Tre said. But I have watched that game back 3 times. Were there mistakes on coaching? Sure. But there were more in execution by the players on the field. Including some of our best players - Tre White not excluded. 

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 In the nfl It’s not who you play, it’s how you play. The bills would have lost to a lot of teams that night imho. 

 

100%. So many mistakes.

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21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not on about what Tre said. But I have watched that game back 3 times. Were there mistakes on coaching? Sure. But there were more in execution by the players on the field. Including some of our best players - Tre White not excluded. 

 

100%. So many mistakes.


there were mistakes all around.  The players sucked.  The coaching sucked. 

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Leslie did nothing of the sort. The main idea is that (if I could find a link I would) it was reported/discussed after the SB that the Bucs used the same defensive game plan as the Bills vs the Chiefs. I can’t validate that on my own I didn’t compare the all 22s. But someone did, so just pointing it out. Tre mentioned specific plays that were there that weren’t made. The Bills simply played a bad game all around and pointing the finger at any one unit is fruitless. In the nfl It’s not who you play, it’s how you play. The bills would have lost to a lot of teams that night imho. 

Lol....I meant to say the coaches will almost always put blame on the coaches 

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not on about what Tre said. But I have watched that game back 3 times. Were there mistakes on coaching? Sure. But there were more in execution by the players on the field. Including some of our best players - Tre White not excluded. 

 

100%. So many mistakes.

Meant to say coaches will always put blame on the coaches 

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I won’t say that I don’t want the Bills to draft him if they believe it is a good pick, but other than workout numbers, I don’t see why Jayson Oweh is considered a potential 1st round pick.  I watched all his snaps against Ohio State, Michigan and Nebraska from 2020 and I hardly saw him flash that outstanding athleticism and he wasn’t often generating much pass rush (that was evident to me).

 

I saw some of his field drills from his pro day and he either has improved since the end of his season or that ability doesn’t (yet) translate.  I know that he is inexperienced in football having first played as a HS Jr.  

 

For those that understand more of watching the film than I do, what am I missing?  It seems to me that a team that drafts him will be betting that they can coach him up considerably and to my untrained eyes, he didn’t look like he would see the field much this season.

 

 

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I’ll say Tyler Shelvin. Not because he’s not talented, I just think 1T is highly replaceable and almost impossible to differentiate yourself in. 
 

A 3rd on Shelvin feels like a waste when you can get a similar player in the 5th or 6th with a guy like Jones, Tonga or Slaton 

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On 4/5/2021 at 11:23 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Rousseau is an unusual prospect.........I don't know if I would use the Cam Jordan comp, Jordan is a real powerful player..........what I think Rousseau did at a highly unusual level is tackle people that almost nobody else could have gotten their hands on.

 

With that length and those 11" hands he doesn't have to be in very good position to get his hands on a ball carrier and when he does it's hard to get free from those mitts.    What are "arm tackles" for some were "hand tackles" for Rousseau. 

 

I'm a Hurricane's fan and I've liked Rousseau more as a pro prospect than the more agile Phillips.

 

I think Rousseau has a chance to be a stat monster and the Bills really need that kinda' guy who gets a lot of TFL and "coverage" sacks that aren't just the occasional vulture sack.    His ability to snare QB's as they try to escape forward in the pocket is impressive........we really aren't used to seeing it done the way that he does it.

 

I've seen the Pierre Paul comps but Rousseau is not that athletic...........and of course HIS hands are a huge plus to his game while JPP has one hand that's barely functional.

 

 

 

I get what you're saying, and as a Canes fan as well. My comparison to him is more play style than statistics/career mirror. My view on him is he'd succeed at LE but not overly well as a RE. He was good on the edge vs the run which is something Cam Jordan excels at, and he can rush the passer. Rosseau is a guy that if he's there at 30 you are beyond excited because you can have him learn under Addison and Hughes for a year before it's Epenesa and Rousseau and Oliver. Plus he adds a dimension of knocked down passes.

 

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