New Jets WR Corey Davis insinuates that Sam Darnold will be the Jets' starting QB in 2021

[mannc]

16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They were overdrafted and under-delivered.  And none of their teams already had a 1st round QB on his rookie contract on the roster.

Let me ask again: Do you have any specific insights into Zack Wilson that make you think he will not succeed as an NFL QB? Or are you just projecting based on the fact that some other first round quarterbacks didn’t pan out recently?

Edited March 24, 2021 by mannc

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Let me ask again: Do you have any specific  insights into Zack Wilson that makes you think he will not succeed as an NFL QB? Or are you just projecting based on the fact that some other first round quarterbacks didn’t pan out recently?

 

The logic that a team that everyone here knows sucked--it's roster sucked and it's coaching staff sucked--did not negatively affect the performance of it's rookie QB, but a new coaching staff and a new rookie QB will fare better on the same roster escapes me.  You might make more sense if we were talking about Lawrence. 

[TBBills]

The Jets will be looking for a new HC soon.

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The logic that a team that everyone here knows sucked--it's roster sucked and it's coaching staff sucked--did not negatively affect the performance of it's rookie QB, but a new coaching staff and a new rookie QB will fare better on the same roster escapes me.  You might make more sense if we were talking about Lawrence. 

Not the same roster and not the same coach.  The Jets will look very different this year, especially if they draft Wilson and ditch Darnold.  If you think Darnold wasn’t part of the problem, then you haven’t watched the last four years of his career.  He blows.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Not the same roster and not the same coach.  The Jets will look very different this year, especially if they draft Wilson and ditch Darnold.  If you think Darnold wasn’t part of the problem, then you haven’t watched the last four years of his career.  He blows.

 

He was part of the problem.  The main problem is gone.  Why do you think Wilson will be an immediate improvement?

[Greg S]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

The Jets will be looking for a new HC soon.

 

Saleh was a good DC with SF. His players ran thru a wall for him. He had a very good year last year considering all the players they lost on that side of the ball. Can he make the transition to being "the guy" in charge of everything. We shall see but it's hard to see him not being a major improvement over Gase. I hope he fails but I think he will get a real chance (3 years) to turn around the Jets.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He was part of the problem.  The main problem is gone.  Why do you think Wilson will be an immediate improvement?

Nope, not going to let you move the goalposts, which you absolutely love to do.  You started this by saying that the Jets would be foolish to draft Wilson.  You supported your argument by pointing to several recent first round QB busts, while conveniently ignoring guys like Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.  

 

The issue isn't whether Wilson provides an immediate upgrade over Darnold, who sucked for three years, although I certainly think there's a good chance he will.  The question is whether the Jets should take Wilson at 2 because he'll be a better pro than Darnold.  I don't pretend to watch a ton of tape on college QBs, although I've seen Wilson play a couple times.  But NFL analysts I trust, especially Chris Simms, believe Wilson is going to be a great NFL QB and will have an immediate impact.  If Wilson is anything close to what we're hearing about him, then the Jets would be idiots not to take him at 2 and, to answer your new argument as well, it would be hard for him NOT to be an immediate upgrade from Darnold.  Because Darnold blows, and has since his last year at USC.  

[dave mcbride]

37 minutes ago, mannc said:

Nope, not going to let you move the goalposts, which you absolutely love to do.  You started this by saying that the Jets would be foolish to draft Wilson.  You supported your argument by pointing to several recent first round QB busts, while conveniently ignoring guys like Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.  

 

The issue isn't whether Wilson provides an immediate upgrade over Darnold, who sucked for three years, although I certainly think there's a good chance he will.  The question is whether the Jets should take Wilson at 2 because he'll be a better pro than Darnold.  I don't pretend to watch a ton of tape on college QBs, although I've seen Wilson play a couple times.  But NFL analysts I trust, especially Chris Simms, believe Wilson is going to be a great NFL QB and will have an immediate impact.  If Wilson is anything close to what we're hearing about him, then the Jets would be idiots not to take him at 2 and, to answer your new argument as well, it would be hard for him NOT to be an immediate upgrade from Darnold.  Because Darnold blows, and has since his last year at USC.  

He didn't "blow" in his final year at USC. He had a moderately decent second NFL season too. To be sure, the numbers/production overall aren't great so far. But he's only 23. I'd reserve judgment. He has real talent.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Nope, not going to let you move the goalposts, which you absolutely love to do.  You started this by saying that the Jets would be foolish to draft Wilson.  You supported your argument by pointing to several recent first round QB busts, while conveniently ignoring guys like Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.  

 

The issue isn't whether Wilson provides an immediate upgrade over Darnold, who sucked for three years, although I certainly think there's a good chance he will.  The question is whether the Jets should take Wilson at 2 because he'll be a better pro than Darnold.  I don't pretend to watch a ton of tape on college QBs, although I've seen Wilson play a couple times.  But NFL analysts I trust, especially Chris Simms, believe Wilson is going to be a great NFL QB and will have an immediate impact.  If Wilson is anything close to what we're hearing about him, then the Jets would be idiots not to take him at 2 and, to answer your new argument as well, it would be hard for him NOT to be an immediate upgrade from Darnold.  Because Darnold blows, and has since his last year at USC.  

 

 

I stand by that.  Then you challenged my position by asking if I've been watching a lot of Wilson's game film.  Now you say you say you have formed your conclusion of Wilson's future superiority over Darnold as a Jets starting QB by watching hardly any film at all.

 

We get it, you think Darnold blows.

 

 

As for Burrow (and to some extent, Mahomes), it wasn't hard to conclude he was going to be a star in the NFL.  We saw it every week of his LSU season on TV.

 

 

 

 

[mannc]

41 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He didn't "blow" in his final year at USC. He had a moderately decent second NFL season too. To be sure, the numbers/production overall aren't great so far. But he's only 23. I'd reserve judgment. He has real talent.

This is where we disagree.  I don't believe Darnold has a single elite NFL QB trait, which is the same reason I don't think Tua is ever going to pan out.  He's got an average (at best) NFL arm, average size, average mobility, below average intangibles, and below average ball security.  I know he's still young, but I just don't see the upside with Darnold.  And for the record, he stunk his last year at USC; he was a turnover factory on a team with plenty of talent, and he's continued to turn the ball over too much the NFL.

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I stand by that.  Then you challenged my position by asking if I've been watching a lot of Wilson's game film.  Now you say you say you have formed your conclusion of Wilson's future superiority over Darnold as a Jets starting QB by watching hardly any film at all.

 

We get it, you think Darnold blows.

 

 

As for Burrow (and to some extent, Mahomes), it wasn't hard to conclude he was going to be a star in the NFL.  We saw it every week of his LSU season on TV.

 

 

 

 

So what's your basis for believing Wilson won't be any good?  You've still not answered that question.

[dave mcbride]

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

This is where we disagree.  I don't believe Darnold has a single elite NFL QB trait, which is the same reason I don't think Tua is ever going to pan out.  He's got an average (at best) NFL arm, average size, average mobility, below average intangibles, and below average ball security.  I know he's still young, but I just don't see the upside with Darnold.  And for the record, he stunk his last year at USC; he was a turnover factory on a team with plenty of talent, and he's continued to turn the ball over too much the NFL.

So what's your basis for believing Wilson won't be any good?  You've still not answered that question.

We shall see. I am in agreement with you about Tua, although I think the most serious problem for him is the hip injury, which clearly impacted his play last year (as film analysis showed). I have no idea whether it'll be 100 percent again. 

[Mr. WEO]

18 minutes ago, mannc said:

This is where we disagree.  I don't believe Darnold has a single elite NFL QB trait, which is the same reason I don't think Tua is ever going to pan out.  He's got an average (at best) NFL arm, average size, average mobility, below average intangibles, and below average ball security.  I know he's still young, but I just don't see the upside with Darnold.  And for the record, he stunk his last year at USC; he was a turnover factory on a team with plenty of talent, and he's continued to turn the ball over too much the NFL.

So what's your basis for believing Wilson won't be any good?  You've still not answered that question.

 

I already did.   I don't see any of the QBs coming out except maybe Lawrence (a guy who has played against solid competition in college on national TV for 3 years as starter)  who could step in and immediately have more success than the guy who has been there a few years but has been hampered by bad coaching and lack of playmakers.  Pretty simple.

 

Because of Burrow (and maybe even Josh), now every one year wonder will be the next Joe or Josh.  This kid was on no one's radar last year as top 25 QB.  His team just  beat up on Navy, Troy, Louisiana Tech, North Alabama, Western Kentucky, Texas State....as they aren't in any conference. 

 

I may be wrong (I'm not  as passionate about Darnold as you seem to be).

 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[Greg S]

 

[mannc]

37 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

We shall see. I am in agreement with you about Tua, although I think the most serious problem for him is the hip injury, which clearly impacted his play last year (as film analysis showed). I have no idea whether it'll be 100 percent again. 

I'm not sure we will see about Darnold.  I doubt he gets an opportunity to start anywhere in 2021.  As for Tua, I bet he doesn't finish the year as the Dolphins' starter.

[mannc]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I already did.   I don't see any of the QBs coming out except maybe Lawrence (a guy who has played against solid competition in college on national TV for 3 years as starter)  who could step in and immediately have more success than the guy who has been there a few years but has been hampered by bad coaching and lack of playmakers.  Pretty simple.

 

Because of Burrow (and maybe even Josh), now every one year wonder will be the next Joe or Josh.  This kid was on no one's radar last year as top 25 QB.  His team just  beat up on Navy, Troy, Louisiana Tech, North Alabama, Western Kentucky, Texas State....as they aren't in any conference. 

 

I may be wrong (I'm not  as passionate about Darnold as you seem to be).

 

If I'm not mistaken, Wilson is at three-year starter at BYU and played well all three years, including as a true freshman.  And I don't think the level of competition is much of a concern because (1) he wasn't exactly surrounded by a bunch or 4 and 5-star guys himself, and (2) BYU at least played a decent Division 1 schedule and they weren't just destroying teams with their superior personnel, like Clemson, Alabama and to some extent, Ohio State.  Mahomes and Josh Allen certainly didn't play against awesome competition, either.

 

And while Trevor Lawrence played at a high level for three years, I'd be a little concerned about the evaluation because Clemson was just so far superior to most of the teams they've played the past three years, although I definitely think he will be a good NFL QB. 

 

I agree with you about Fields; I would not take him in the first round.

[Doc]

The Jets should absolutely move on from Darnold and Wilson looks like a good prospect. 

[Locomark]

If the Jets stand by Darnold and don’t draft a QB in round 1 then we are big winners !! 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

If I'm not mistaken, Wilson is at three-year starter at BYU and played well all three years, including as a true freshman.  And I don't think the level of competition is much of a concern because (1) he wasn't exactly surrounded by a bunch or 4 and 5-star guys himself, and (2) BYU at least played a decent Division 1 schedule and they weren't just destroying teams with their superior personnel, like Clemson, Alabama and to some extent, Ohio State.  Mahomes and Josh Allen certainly didn't play against awesome competition, either.

 

And while Trevor Lawrence played at a high level for three years, I'd be a little concerned about the evaluation because Clemson was just so far superior to most of the teams they've played the past three years, although I definitely think he will be a good NFL QB. 

 

I agree with you about Fields; I would not take him in the first round.

 

 

Like I said, now everyone will think there's one in every draft.  BYU played mostly nobodies.  Those scores say it all.  As an example, they beat "UNA" 66-14 on 16 passes (4 TDs).

 

Wilson did nothing of note in his career until this past year.  Previous 2 he was 11, 12 TDs with no passing over 2400.   TheRinger described him as a "draft afterthought" when the season started.  

 

Lawrence folded in big games.

 

Fields will be an OSU legend for that 1 game.  

[mannc]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Like I said, now everyone will think there's one in every draft.  BYU played mostly nobodies.  Those scores say it all.  As an example, they beat "UNA" 66-14 on 16 passes (4 TDs).

 

Wilson did nothing of note in his career until this past year.  Previous 2 he was 11, 12 TDs with no passing over 2400.   TheRinger described him as a "draft afterthought" when the season started.  

 

Lawrence folded in big games.

 

Fields will be an OSU legend for that 1 game.  

So your negative evaluation of Wilson is based on BYU's strength of schedule and the fact that he wasn't awesome his first two seasons, including as a true Freshman.  Did you see any of BYU's games?  Was BYU physically superior to nearly everyone they played, like Clemson and Alabama were?  I doubt it.  Which QBs have you liked coming out of college the past three years?  Any of them?

[BillsShredder83]

20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

My bold draft prediction is the Jets draft Trey Lance and keep Darnold for the year to let Lance develop behind him.

I think this option buys you another year as hc/gm then theyd get if they started him. Evaluate talent for the year, get a chance to let the rookie soak stuff up without being overwhelmed. Pick in the top 10 again next year, and treat next year like year one. I think its a ball-less move, but probably a smart one if it was my livlihood on the line.

 

They already need several years to put a competent team on the field, if youre going to blow it up, im doing it 100%, not 90, not 95. Got alot of weeding out to do, and im making damn sure, anyone carrying a drop of that previous culture over, is goneeee. 

 

Flip side is i dont care. I hope they stink for eternity lol

Edited March 24, 2021 by BillsShredder83