leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This could be interesting Ok Tibs, this seems like a good time to ask. Andrew Rainbow sends out a tweet referencing a film crew purported to have evidence that makes Watergate look like jaywalking. Wouldn't that particular stunning development that proves criminality on the part of DJT have been shared with the DOJ, FBI etc? Wouldn't they act on that? Why all the cloak and dagger here? The VCR film screening, the dramatic build up? It sounds like more 1/6 flat earth truther material, no? Or, are is the thinking that the film crew is actually part of the cabal? Are they in on it, and the DOJ couldn't break them, so they put Schiffty on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Ok Tibs, this seems like a good time to ask. Andrew Rainbow sends out a tweet referencing a film crew purported to have evidence that makes Watergate look like jaywalking. Wouldn't that particular stunning development that proves criminality on the part of DJT have been shared with the DOJ, FBI etc? Wouldn't they act on that? Why all the cloak and dagger here? The VCR film screening, the dramatic build up? It sounds like more 1/6 flat earth truther material, no? Or, are is the thinking that the film crew is actually part of the cabal? Are they in on it, and the DOJ couldn't break them, so they put Schiffty on it? Something to keep in mind is that DoJ investigations are generally fairly slow. Remember that Durham was appointed by Barr to investigate the origins of the Russia probe in May 2019 but didn't indict Sussman until September 2021, more than two years later. Given the sheer size of the January 6th inquiry and the difficulties with potential prosecutions of members of the Executive Branch, a lack of indictments at this time does not necessarily imply that there were no crimes by higher ups, even as high as Trump. We're mainly in "wait and see" mode to see where it leads. That's why I find the hearings helpful because, unlike before, we are getting actual sworn testimony now. It's not just people talking to the media where they can lie as much as they want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Something to keep in mind is that DoJ investigations are generally fairly slow. Remember that Durham was appointed by Barr to investigate the origins of the Russia probe in May 2019 but didn't indict Sussman until September 2021, more than two years later. Given the sheer size of the January 6th inquiry and the difficulties with potential prosecutions of members of the Executive Branch, a lack of indictments at this time does not necessarily imply that there were no crimes by higher ups, even as high as Trump. We're mainly in "wait and see" mode to see where it leads. That's why I find the hearings helpful because, unlike before, we are getting actual sworn testimony now. It's not just people talking to the media where they can lie as much as they want. Yes, I understand that and have factored that into my analysis. I'd invite you, if you were so inclined (I believe you are not)to find any place in my posts where I declared DJT or anyone else innocent of anything. How the heck would I know? What I can state emphatically and with purpose, is that the lack of criminal charges does not suggest that Trump is guilty of anything. I can also state, emphatically and with purpose, that simply because there is a political hearing of this nature it does not mean that criminal charges are imminent or pending. Still, when Tibsy is screaming in my ear that I stood with the Crown in 1776 among many other purported transgressions, and lobs accusations without source documents, I feel I am the aggrieved party. Edited June 22, 2022 by leh-nerd skin-erd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Yes, I understand that and have factored that into my analysis. I'd invite you, if you were so inclined (I believe you are not)to find any place in my posts where I declared DJT or anyone else innocent of anything. How the heck would I know? What I can state emphatically and with purpose, is that the lack of criminal charges does not suggest that Trump is guilty of anything. I can also state, emphatically and with purpose, that simply because there is a political hearing of this nature that criminal charges are imminent or pending. Still, when Tibsy is screaming in my ear that I stood with the Crown in 1776 among many other purported transgressions, and lobs accusations without source documents, I feel I am the aggrieved party. Oh, for sure, I was not claiming you made such a statement about Trump's innocence. Just wanted to provide clarity on why we may not have seen more serious indictments yet. A lack of charges at this stage obviously does not imply that Trump is guilty, but it also does not ensure that he isn't, given the length of these type of investigations. I do not think the DoJ would rely on a congressional committee on whether or not to investigate or charge someone. They may find that the testimony provides color to what they already have, but by no means are they waiting for the committee to tell them who to indict. They have even rejected some of the committee's requests for prosecution. The way that I look at it is that the DoJ has an investigation but it is generally under wraps because it is a law enforcement agency so even leaking that they are investigating someone is harmful to that person's reputation even if charges are not ultimately filed. The Jan 6th hearings can give us some insight into what the DoJ *might* be considering since they should have similar evidence (though they do not have as many teeth to get cooperation that the DoJ does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Oh, for sure, I was not claiming you made such a statement about Trump's innocence. Just wanted to provide clarity on why we may not have seen more serious indictments yet. Cool. 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: A lack of charges at this stage obviously does not imply that Trump is guilty, but it also does not ensure that he isn't, given the length of these type of investigations. I'd suggest you can stop at "A lack of charges at this time obviously does not imply that Trump is guilty.". Beyond that is speculation, and why bother? 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I do not think the DoJ would rely on a congressional committee on whether or not to investigate or charge someone. They may find that the testimony provides color to what they already have, but by no means are they waiting for the committee to tell them who to indict. They have even rejected some of the committee's requests for prosecution. I have faith in leadership in the DOJ only to a point. I believe that political prosecution can be the byproduct of life in Washington, that power can corrupt, and that even well-intentioned prosecutors may act irresponsibly if they are convinced their actions are for the greater good. Having said that, I'm happy to cross that bridge if it ever comes to it, but at this point, there ain't a body of water in sight. 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: The way that I look at it is that the DoJ has an investigation but it is generally under wraps because it is a law enforcement agency so even leaking that they are investigating someone is harmful to that person's reputation even if charges are not ultimately filed. The Jan 6th hearings can give us some insight into what the DoJ *might* be considering since they should have similar evidence (though they do not have as many teeth to get cooperation that the DoJ does). I think having faith that the DoJ would not manipulate, leak, strong-arm, communicate with the press, misrepresent evidence and destroy a reputation is admirable, but defies conventional wisdom and logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 So the committee will do an entire hearing on connection between Trump admin and Proud Boys. Wow 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Ok Tibs, this seems like a good time to ask. Andrew Rainbow sends out a tweet referencing a film crew purported to have evidence that makes Watergate look like jaywalking. Wouldn't that particular stunning development that proves criminality on the part of DJT have been shared with the DOJ, FBI etc? Wouldn't they act on that? Why all the cloak and dagger here? The VCR film screening, the dramatic build up? It sounds like more 1/6 flat earth truther material, no? Or, are is the thinking that the film crew is actually part of the cabal? Are they in on it, and the DOJ couldn't break them, so they put Schiffty on it? Oh, you are saying that if there was a crime DOJ would prosecute? Investigations take time and we are in the public grand jury faze now. You are obviously not convinced and totally unconvincable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: So the committee will do an entire hearing on connection between Trump admin and Proud Boys. Wow Oh, you are saying that if there was a crime DOJ would prosecute? Investigations take time and we are in the public grand jury faze now. You are obviously not convinced and totally unconvincable. I’m not convinced 100% convinced there is such a thing as a “public grand jury faze”. I am 100% convinced you made that up. Be that as it may, why not just answer honestly? I have come to expect these absurd shenanigans from BillSy, but what do you gain from this silliness? You asked me questions. I asked for additional clarification, respected the process when you declined to do so, and answered to your follow up question. There is no trickery involved in my question. Do you think the DOJ has this previously unknown secret documentary evidence that reveals in explicit detail the criminality of DJT? If so why haven’t we seen it? Do you feel the DOJ was waiting for the committee to do the screening before acting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’m not convinced 100% convinced there is such a thing as a “public grand jury faze”. I am 100% convinced you made that up. Be that as it may, why not just answer honestly? I have come to expect these absurd shenanigans from BillSy, but what do you gain from this silliness? You asked me questions. I asked for additional clarification, respected the process when you declined to do so, and answered to your follow up question. There is no trickery involved in my question. Do you think the DOJ has this previously unknown secret documentary evidence that reveals in explicit detail the criminality of DJT? If so why haven’t we seen it? Do you feel the DOJ was waiting for the committee to do the screening before acting? Let me answer for them: "the DOJ is scared/incompetent/not as powerful as a committee of Senators..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Let me answer for them: "the DOJ is scared/incompetent/not as powerful as a committee of Senators..." Unlike a Congressional committee, the DoJ has the ability to deprive us of life, liberty, and/or property. They have VERY different standards, and they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, BillStime said: This just keep getting better and better. Also, dumber and dumber. These people need to be held accountable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 The most corrupt administration in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 9:42 AM, Tiberius said: Thanks to the committee’s work, for example, we discovered: The president and assistant attorney general Jeffrey Clark schemed to involve the Justice Department in a plot to invalidate the election; An executive order was drafted to allow the federal government to seize voting machines; Seven states put forth fake slates of electors; Former president Donald Trump was reportedly in contact with a team led by Rudolph W. Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn and Stephen K. Bannon, who set up a post at the Willard hotel working to delay certification of electoral votes; and Republican members of Congress sent texts to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows concerning the plan to engage the Justice Department or to prevent Congress from counting the electoral votes. Witch hunt? Trump tried overturning an election he lost. Are you an American? Whose side are you on? Seriously, do you believe in our system of government? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 "there would not have been a transition" What did Barr know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 "You may not follow the internet the way I do." Ha ha ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiGoose Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: "You may not follow the internet the way I do." Ha ha ha! I do not miss having a president who was suffering from severe Very Online Brain syndrome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Either: A. Trump is mentally impaired and unable to discern fact from fiction leading him to do illegal actions. B. Dozens of Republicans in states and in the Trump administration are lying under oath and conspiring to frame Trump. or C. Trump knew what he was doing was illegal and conspired with others to attempt to overturn the results of the election. Take your choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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