BillStime Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Totally normal, right Lennnnny? Trump to DOJ: "just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R Congressmen" Idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Do you believe the President is above the law or that trying to steal an election is just something everyone does? Or something else I think a president (senator, congressperson etc) is afforded protection under rules and guidelines that are different than those that apply to regular folks like you and me. Some of those protections are the result of the laws on the books, some are due to political affiliation and the power structure in Washington (or any state in the Union) at given point in time. I do not think that "trying to steal an election" is done by everyone. I've never attempted to steal an election. To my knowledge, @B-Man has never tried to steal an election. I don't believe you have attempted to steal an election, Tibsy. I could go on but while I don't know everyone, I know more than a few somebodies. Edited June 22, 2022 by leh-nerd skin-erd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think a president (senator, congressperson etc) is afforded protection under rules and guidelines that are different than those that apply to regular folks like you and me. Some of those protections are the result of the laws on the books, some are due to political affiliation and the power structure in Washington (or any state in the Union) at given point in time. I do not think that "trying to steal an election" is done by everyone. I've never attempted to steal an election. To my knowledge, @B-Man has never tried to steal an election. I don't believe you have attempted to steal an election, Tibsy. I could go on but while I don't know everyone, I know more than a few somebodies. But you're ok with Conald stealing an election... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 27 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think a president (senator, congressperson etc) is afforded protection under rules and guidelines that are different than those that apply to regular folks like you and me. Some of those protections are the result of the laws on the books, some are due to political affiliation and the power structure in Washington (or any state in the Union) at given point in time. I do not think that "trying to steal an election" is done by everyone. I've never attempted to steal an election. To my knowledge, @B-Man has never tried to steal an election. I don't believe you have attempted to steal an election, Tibsy. I could go on but while I don't know everyone, I know more than a few somebodies. They are afforded extra leeway under the speech and debate clause, but that's really only applicable in the course of legislative debate. I haven't finished watching yesterday's hearing (didn't get a chance to start until 9pm), but what I saw is testimony that directly ties Trump to the fake electors scheme. That potentially could constitute fraud or other crimes. But I agree that the political structure (not the law) is what protects Trump here. 5 minutes ago, BillStime said: But you're ok with Conald stealing an election... "Conald" is a bit juvenile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: They are afforded extra leeway under the speech and debate clause, but that's really only applicable in the course of legislative debate. I haven't finished watching yesterday's hearing (didn't get a chance to start until 9pm), but what I saw is testimony that directly ties Trump to the fake electors scheme. That potentially could constitute fraud or other crimes. But I agree that the political structure (not the law) is what protects Trump here. "Conald" is a bit juvenile. Thanks Karen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: They are afforded extra leeway under the speech and debate clause, but that's really only applicable in the course of legislative debate. I haven't finished watching yesterday's hearing (didn't get a chance to start until 9pm), but what I saw is testimony that directly ties Trump to the fake electors scheme. That potentially could constitute fraud or other crimes. But I agree that the political structure (not the law) is what protects Trump here. When charges are brought under the more (hopefully) rigorous standards associated with our criminal justice system, I'm happy to revisit these and any other alleged activities. In the interim, I have precious little interest in watching political politicians politicking politically under the rules and guidelines of congressional committees. You've mentioned along the way that there are difference aspects to these committee hearings, including one that's looking at the lack of security that day. That was pretty clearly a problem (though Colbert's puppet team people Mission Impossibled the %$#@ out it too) imo, but it seems to me that to get to the bottom of that, the last thing I would want to see is a bunch of amateurs long on wind and short on experience trying to figure anything out at all. I realize it's done, it just seems silly to me. 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: "Conald" is a bit juvenile. Just add it to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think a president (senator, congressperson etc) is afforded protection under rules and guidelines that are different than those that apply to regular folks like you and me. Some of those protections are the result of the laws on the books, some are due to political affiliation and the power structure in Washington (or any state in the Union) at given point in time. I do not think that "trying to steal an election" is done by everyone. I've never attempted to steal an election. To my knowledge, @B-Man has never tried to steal an election. I don't believe you have attempted to steal an election, Tibsy. I could go on but while I don't know everyone, I know more than a few somebodies. You are not claiming that Trump didn't try and steal an election are you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: When charges are brought under the more (hopefully) rigorous standards associated with our criminal justice system, I'm happy to revisit these and any other alleged activities. In the interim, I have precious little interest in watching political politicians politicking politically under the rules and guidelines of congressional committees. You've mentioned along the way that there are difference aspects to these committee hearings, including one that's looking at the lack of security that day. That was pretty clearly a problem (though Colbert's puppet team people Mission Impossibled the %$#@ out it too) imo, but it seems to me that to get to the bottom of that, the last thing I would want to see is a bunch of amateurs long on wind and short on experience trying to figure anything out at all. I realize it's done, it just seems silly to me. They've honestly been pretty good about keeping the chatter from the committee members to a minimum. The first 10-15 minutes are meh. but the rest is very tightly focused on the witnesses. Each session starts with statements from Thompson, Cheney, and whoever is leading the questioning that day. After that, it's almost entirely testimony from the witnesses, video from recorded testimony from other witnesses, with just a bit of context added by staffers. Though in yesterday's session, Schiff was leading the questioning so I just zoned out during the opening statements and played Civ IV until the questioning actually started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are not claiming that Trump didn't try and steal an election are you??? I can not be any more clear than I have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I can not be any more clear than I have been. Man, you have a very deep well of patience! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: They've honestly been pretty good about keeping the chatter from the committee members to a minimum. The first 10-15 minutes are meh. but the rest is very tightly focused on the witnesses. Each session starts with statements from Thompson, Cheney, and whoever is leading the questioning that day. After that, it's almost entirely testimony from the witnesses, video from recorded testimony from other witnesses, with just a bit of context added by staffers. Though in yesterday's session, Schiff was leading the questioning so I just zoned out during the opening statements and played Civ IV until the questioning actually started. I would rather sit through a marathon lecture by Professor @Tiberius held down at the local VFW post entitled "Trump-A Conspiracy Too Far Question Mark" that combined hard-hitting socio-political commentary with an opportunity to learn safe driving habits and save me 10% on my insurance than watch those pudniks rattle on. Some folks love the wonkiness of all that stuff. I'm just not one of those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 27 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I would rather sit through a marathon lecture by Professor @Tiberius held down at the local VFW post entitled "Trump-A Conspiracy Too Far Question Mark" that combined hard-hitting socio-political commentary with an opportunity to learn safe driving habits and save me 10% on my insurance than watch those pudniks rattle on. Some folks love the wonkiness of all that stuff. I'm just not one of those people. Just because he is a Republican you could care less what criminal actions he takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Some folks love the wonkiness of all that stuff. I'm just not one of those people. Fair enough, it's not for everyone. Personally, I love the wonkiness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just because he is a Republican you could care less what criminal actions he takes. I could care less—this is true. These are important issues, but your allegations without substantiation do not move the needle for me one way or the other. Don’t keep me in suspense though….where have the criminal charges been filed? I see no evidence of this type of activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I could care less—this is true. These are important issues, but your allegations without substantiation do not move the needle for me one way or the other. Don’t keep me in suspense though….where have the criminal charges been filed? I see no evidence of this type of activity. You can care less if the president of your country is fighting to overturn the will of the people illegally? So if you were around in 1776 you would be like, "God save the king!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You can care less if the president of your country is fighting to overturn the will of the people illegally? So if you were around in 1776 you would be like, "God save the king!" Oh he would care if the shoe were on the other foot… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 This could be interesting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You can care less if the president of your country is fighting to overturn the will of the people illegally? So if you were around in 1776 you would be like, "God save the king!" Again, Tibsy, you're confusing your characterization of events and actions with mine. I already indicated I didn't think there was any criminal behavior. I asked you for specifics, you don't have any. None at all. You're an empty vessel of nothingness adrift on an ocean of beige in this regard. So, I couldn't care more if a president was actually fighting to overturn the will of the people, it would be a major source of concern for me! All I am asking of you is to point me in the direction of anything beyond you stating something is clear when it obviously is not. Why don't you care that there are no charges filed? It's been nearly 2 years. Just to be clear--I was not around in 1776, but I was rooting for Mel Gibson against that limey %$#@ in The Patriot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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