Killed by police

[GregPersons]

Just now, Jaraxxus said:

 

Nah, I'm not concerned about white genocide on the least. What I'm concerned about is angry, intellectually stunted people like you inflicting mass punishment over individual crimes.  Also, if you think your judgement of me will silence me, well you're in for disappointment, buddy.

 

Oh believe me, it's very clear you're a disappointing person. That much is obvious. 

 

You're racist. So why is there such a fuss about just admitting it? That's the first step. You know how you can tell you're racist? It bugs you enough to respond like that when it's called out. But you know it's true. You just think you're better at hiding your real feelings than you are; even online you have no poker face. Just say you are racist, and say you don't care about non-white people. Why is that so hard for racists to admit what they obviously feel and demonstrate in their statements & actions? 

 

"Oh how could I be racist if xyz." Yeah sure whatever you need to tell yourself, but you've already said volumes so far. Don't let silly things like "reality" get in the way of you doing you, my disappointing rolly polly racist buddy.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Troll Toll said:

The black on black crime numbers seem to show that black lives matter to everyone but blacks.

Blaming the victims of racial injustice? 

[GregPersons]

Just now, Troll Toll said:

The black on black crime numbers seem to show that black lives matter to everyone but blacks.

 

This is a well-worn white supremacist argument. White people want desperately Blacks to be savages; inherently different and sub-human. It would be very convenient for them if that could just be true. 

 

If white people were genuinely concerned about black on black crime, they would do something more sympathetic than mock it.

[Troll Toll]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Blaming the victims of racial injustice? 

Blaming the perpetrators of black violence.

1 minute ago, GregPersons said:

 

This is a well-worn white supremacist argument. White people want desperately Blacks to be savages; inherently different and sub-human. It would be very convenient for them if that could just be true. 

 

If white people were genuinely concerned about black on black crime, they would do something more sympathetic than mock it.

Like support the defunding of law enforcement that keeps it from getting exponentially worse?

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Troll Toll said:

Blaming the perpetrators of black violence.

Blacks, yes I see you are blaming blacks. 

 

You don’t see government violence as a very different issue? State sanctioned violence 

[GregPersons]

6 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Look at you go. I'm so proud of you child. "Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist." This is my it's impossible to take you or anyone who thinks like you seriously.

 

Hahah. I should've written it down, I knew this was coming. You follow a script like a Teleprompter and you think it's your own thoughts. "Anyone who disagrees with me is racist." What were we disagreeing about, exactly? This came from nowhere, this label?

 

Nah, bud. You earned it. You have earned the racist badge. I just call it like I see it. Racists like yourself can eat my ***** and go ***** yourself. Keep replying to me with the next part of your attempt to weasel away feeling like you somehow "won" this exchange, you spineless little racist piggy boy. Gimme a little more bacon to fry for the morning coffee. Keep it coming.

8 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

Like support the defunding of law enforcement that keeps it from getting exponentially worse?

 

Sorry, are you suggesting that Cops are somehow a helpful presence for Black people, in Chicago or elsewhere? This is a real thing you truly actually think? Based on...? TV? Movies? Where is your idea of cops being helpful coming from, exactly?

Edited June 6, 2020 by GregPersons

[Tiberius]

https://apnews.com/cb4639c897d7fc6445ca4ceb9514b66d  

 

NFL says they were wrong 

[SoCal Deek]

Have any of you noticed that firemen always seem to be around when there are....wait for it....FIRES?  I remember reading in school that back in the Middle Ages they actually thought rats came from trash because wherever there were piles of trash, there were rats. Blaming police for the problem of inner city crime is nothing short of ludicrous! 

Edited June 6, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[Troll Toll]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Blacks, yes I see you are blaming blacks. 

 

You don’t see government violence as a very different issue? State sanctioned violence 

We see a couple cases (at most) of these unjustified police killings a year. There are more policemen that die in the line of duty by far. We see multiple shootings in just Chicago every day. Where are the priorities? 
 

Those communities need MORE police to get the bad actors off the streets so the many amazing blacks in those communities can thrive. 

[Big Blitz]

46 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Name the racist person?

 

I'll start with 90% of PPP. Mods should flush this ***** down the toilet.

 

 

It could be what you're reading is that there are some very smart people that know voting Democrat or for that "you ain't black" guy is not solving racism.  

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Mass responsibility for past grievances?

Happy Festivus! It’s time for the airing of the grievances.

[Troll Toll]

14 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

Sorry, are you suggesting that Cops are somehow a helpful presence for Black people, in Chicago or elsewhere? This is a real thing you truly actually think? Based on...? TV? Movies? Where is your idea of cops being helpful coming from, exactly?

Reality. You may see soon enough if these efforts to defund the police are successful.

[billsfan1959]

8 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

Let's start here:

 

New hires, mandatory four year degree dual major criminal justice and psychology

Mandatory de-escalation training every six months

Every interaction with the public, body cam not on, you are fired

Mandatory racism screen every year

Mandatory psych e v a l every year

Mandatory town halls in the community you patrol

Every use of force requires body cam any at least one other before initiation

Civilian oversight board

No qualified immunity

 

Thats the BEGINNING.

 

Why would anyone oppose?

 

 

 

- Law enforcement officers, on average, are more educated than they have ever been

- They are better trained than they have ever been

- They are more diversified than they have ever been

- I believe body cams should be standard.

- The is a standard for the use of deadly force that already exists. Trying to set completely objective standards is unreasonable given we are talking about human beings making, what are often, split-second decisions, based on various criteria and fluid dynamics.

- Almost every police killing is reviewed by outside agencies and every one should be. What I don't believe should happen is leaving the decision on the legitimacy of the actions of the officer in the hands of a civilian review board. I have no problems with such boards existing and working with departments; however, they should not have that authority.

 

I also think there isn't a group in this country that has tried harder to genuiinely reduce the effects of racism than the law enforcement community.

 

That doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist in law enforcement. The question is, does it exist to the level of systemic pervasive racism, being alleged, where, as a group, they have no qualms with killing a person, condoning the killing of that person, and actively protect the officer(s) who killed that person as long as that person is black? I personally do not believe that.

 

The history of racism in this country regarding blacks is all too real and much of it in the not too distant past. Black communities have been suffering for years and years with lack of opportunity, lack of resources, lack of hope, and violent crime spiraling out of control, while politicians on both sides refuse to do anything to actually help. Honestly, the people that are in those communites, every single day, trying to help the people who live there are law enforcement officers.  Anger and frustration is real and where is it easiest for that anger and frustration to manifest? In interactions within the communities with the only ones there who are from outside the community and an easy representative of everything that angers them: law enforcement.

 

The fact is, there are many reasons that black communities are disproportionately suffering and if you were to honestly list the reasons, law enforcemnent would be no where near the top of that list. Yet, they are the face of the problem. It isn't helped when you see what transpired with George Floyd and other similar disgusting, senseless, violent acts. However, hostilities in the black communities between residents and police go both ways and there is culpability on both sides. And, any aggressive violence on the part of police officers don't represent the entire force any more than aggressive violence on the part of black residents represent the whole community.

 

I wish this country could engage in real honest dialogue about this. There is enough culpability to go around. However, solutions to the problems cannot begin until there are honest and accurate definitions of those problems - and, unfortunately, nobody wants to look at themselves honestly on either side.

[dubs]

39 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

 

That's fine and dandy. Again, this seems hard for you to accept but... stay with me here.... this isn't about you. And if you don't intend to learn and you don't intend to help, then you really don't need to add your ignorant voice. Does that make sense? 

what are 5 actionable things you would do if you could do anything to fix the problem. Tangible things, not “have a conversation” or something.

 

I’s just curious if we can get the discussion moving along. 
 

 

[GregPersons]

3 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

Reality. You may see soon enough if these efforts to defund the police are successful.

 

Racists love to speak cryptically like this. Just say what you mean. "I hope to soon legally shoot black people." Why do you guys think your veiled threats are clever? Is it because you're all stupid as *****? 

Just now, dubs said:

what are 5 actionable things you would do if you could do anything to fix the problem. Tangible things, not “have a conversation” or something.

 

I’s just curious if we can get the discussion moving along. 

 

I would tell you to go jump off a bridge, number one. Lmao. I'm not here to educate you, you silly white moron. That's not my job and I could give a *****. There's plenty of resources available. Start here: google/bing/whatever conservative search engine tinfoil hats use -- read books by black people.  From different time periods. More than one. 

 

Did you need me to give you that idea? Were you so empty before? TRY HARDER, WHITE PEOPLE.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, dubs said:

what are 5 actionable things you would do if you could do anything to fix the problem. Tangible things, not “have a conversation” or something.

 

I’s just curious if we can get the discussion moving along. 
 

 

Not a chance! It’s way easier to sit in the middle of the street throwing a tantrum about a general topic that NOBODY disagrees with.

[GregPersons]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Not a chance! It’s way easier to sit in the middle of the street throwing a tantrum about a general topic that NOBODY disagrees with.

 

This post, though... This is the one that solves everything. You done did it! Snark on snark was the solution. Amazing we didn't arrive there sooner.

[Orlando Tim]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Blacks, yes I see you are blaming blacks. 

 

You don’t see government violence as a very different issue? State sanctioned violence 

Tibs this is where people think you are a troll- virtually no one says cops killing men is ok unless under extreme circumstances, but you are pretending that people say it is ok just for your argument.

[billsfan1959]

29 minutes ago, GregPersons said:

 

I appreciate the time you took with your research. There is one fatal flaw here, however. You're relying on statistics about police violence provided from the police, and assuming those are the complete truth. It's a biased source and isn't realistic to expect it to be fully transparent when we know for certain that police have various tactics for disguising numbers.

 

There is no fatal flaw. I didn't provide any research relating to motives or any other subjective information about police violence. I provided statistical facts about violent crime in general.

 

The actual statistics about people killed by police didn't even come from the police, it was research from the Washington Post, which could hardly be considered pro law enforcement. Even that information wasn't subjective. Those people actually died.

 

Everything I provided were statistical facts. Unless you are saying those murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, arrests didn't occur?

 

Please detail for me which statistics I provided that you think might have been manipulated.

[GregPersons]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

There is no fatal flaw. I didn't provide any research relating to motives or any other subjective information about police violence. I provided statistical facts about violent crime in general.

 

The actual statistics about people killed by police didn't even come from the police, it was research from the Washington Post, which could hardly be considered pro law enforcement. Even that information wasn't subjective. Those people actually died.

 

Everything I provided were statistical facts. Unless you are saying those murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, arrests didn't occur?

 

Please detail for me which statistics I provided that you think might have been manipulated.

 

Missing records, for one. How would you know they are missing? Misrepresented deaths, for another. How would you know they are misrepresented? 

 

Which is the crazier thought? That the numbers are inaccurate, or they are fully honest and accurate?