Defund the Police?

[Koko78]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

and ?


 

 

 

911: "9-1-1, what's your emergency?"

Victim: "I'm at 123 4th Street. There's an armed intruder in my home. I'm hiding in the closet. I think he's going to rape and murder me! Please help!"

911: "We will dispatch a social worker right away to discuss your feelings on the matter."

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The trick they're trying to pull with this media coverage is to make the majority opinion feel as if they're in the minority. 

 

Information warfare 101. 

 

 

And the liberal politicians are falling for it.  Keep it up libs.  It's a beautiful thing to watch.  

 

[B-Man]

 

 

If You Want To Know What Disbanding The Police Looks Like, Look At Mexico

[B-Man]

 

 

THESE ARE THE POLICIES OF A LUNATIC FRINGE: 

 

Basically nobody supports cutting funding for police. 

 

Just 16% of Democrats, 15% of Republicans, and 17% of Independents support funding cuts.

 

 

 

This is no doubt why people are rushing forward to tell us that “defunding” doesn’t mean funding cuts, and “abolishing the police” doesn’t mean getting rid of the police.

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

L.A. City Council President wants to DEFUND THE POLICE, just not the ones standing ’round-the-clock’ watch outside her home

[B-Man]

 

 

OH, BALTIMORE: 

 

Following Riots 5 Years Ago, One U.S. City Defunded Its Police Force in 2015; How Did That Turn Out?

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Could those who are talking about dismantling the police address the problem of violence against women?

 

 

[JetsFan20]

“Defund” means that Black & Brown communities are asking for the same budget priorities that White communities have already created for themselves: schooling > police,etc.

People asked in other ways, but were always told “No, how do you pay for it?”

So they found the line item.

[sabrecrazed]

2 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

“Defund” means that Black & Brown communities are asking for the same budget priorities that White communities have already created for themselves: schooling > police,etc.

People asked in other ways, but were always told “No, how do you pay for it?”

So they found the line item.

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GregPersons]

"Defund" is still too nice. This is just focused on budget. Cops don't realize we're letting them off easy right now, and they're pushing their luck. "Abolish" is also too nice. 

 

First of all, Defund just makes plain sense. Look at ANY POLICE BUDGET. They are ridiculous. This is taxpayer money for morons who don't have soldier training to pretend they're in Call of Duty on whoever they can get away with, specifically Black people. Often explicitly coded into the marching orders, and always implicitly. The conversation needs to start from 0 and work up from there to what is actually necessary.

 

We don't need to negotiate down from 300 gazillion. Basic negotiation tactic. And look at what they're offering. LA's mayor took out a 300 million or something but the budget is still near the trillions; whatever the numbers, look it up, it's preposterously inflated, everywhere. 

 

The other thing, is that -- again -- this conversation is only about budget. When we talk about removing police immunity, then it's time to start talking about "Imprison the police."

 

Because if held to the same laws, if held accountable as much as they've done to others — hooo boy.  Imagine suing a cop for assault and winning. That's half of reparations right there in those settlements.

[GregPersons]

On 6/8/2020 at 8:47 AM, SoCal Deek said:

If we defund the military will war go away?

 

If we defund NASA do the stars disappear?

 

If we defund social safety net programs will we solve poverty? 

 

Hey Deek. This is a post that several people celebrated! I just wanted to let you know why this is stupid, specifically.

 

Defunding the police will reduce crime, simply because -- there will be fewer arrests. Will there be more murders? More burglaries? Let's find out. Because when the NYPD went dark in protest a year ago, things were fine in NYC. Nobody noticed. Life went on. You got fewer tickets for an expired meter. 

 

Defunding the military actually would mean we would instigate a lot less. Do you have any idea the amount of fights the US military instigates? Like on a daily basis? How about throughout history? How often has it worked out for us? 

Overfunding the military hasn't worked out so well in stopping war, has it Deek? 

 

Do you think NASA invented the stars? What point are you making here? If you defund NASA, we will explore the stars less; we will know less about them. Elon Musk might go. Hopefully he remembers to send a text. 

 

Defunding social safety nets -- aka "tax cuts" -- is where we're at right now. Imagine swapping the funding between police and social safety net programs -- Universal Healthcare would be affordable just on the police budgets in major cities. Expand unemployment to simply be Universal Basic Income. Everybody gets 2000 a month, period. If you choose not to work to make additional money, that's fine. There would likely be an expansion of volunteer social programs to use skillsets on citizen-led social projects to address any number of things.

 

Imagine everybody being allowed to focus on their hobbies full-time. Some people would just be bored losers or partiers; that's fine and no different from now, anyway. But afforded the space to breathe — to not be in panic mode every month about "will I be able to feed my children?" — the most Prosperous Nation In History could some of that wealth to invest in the citizens and therefore invest in the future. That's how you think of it. This is an investment in people, not weapons. 

 

Even just on TSW you can see people demonstrate far more value than is probably being extracted from them by their employment. I wonder how many people on TSW would feel that they aren't being utilized as well as they could be by their employers. Automation can expand without concern and eliminate menial jobs, since they're no longer needed to simply support people's basic needs & health. From there, ingenuity would lead to ... who knows what. 

 

But I don't think it would lead to more fighting. Because people would be generally more content. There would be less anger. Every citizen would essentially become "middle class." If you have a job on top of the UBI, you can make it to upper middle class pretty easily. If you do very well, perhaps you make it to the upper class.

 

But there should be nothing beyond "upper class." There should be a ceiling. There should absolutely be a wealth cap. It's absurd that there are billionaires. Teddy Roosevelt would not have ***** stood for this. We need a bully pulpit instead of a bunker baby (I don't think Biden is that guy, so either way POTUS isnt going to be ***** here probably). Once you reach, idk, 100 million in today's world -- that's it. You've beat the game. Anything on top of that is directly poured into society and funding the programs.

 

This should be close to a libertarian's wet dream, what I am describing. It is essentially socialism + libertarianism. Americans would love it if they gave it a chance.

[GregPersons]

31 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

And why do you think the budgets are like that in white communities?

 

Because white communities have lower crime.

 

Because there's fewer police.

 

It's not a chicken and the egg problem. It is cause and effect.

 

Black Americans are criminalized, period. Do you know about the Broken Windows policy of policing? This is not dissimilar to the laws of Germany in the 20s and 30s toward Jews.

[GregPersons]

1 minute ago, Jaraxxus said:

Camden's numbers don't seem to bear that out, nor do Baltimore's. Guess we'll find out won't we?

 

Not sure what point you think you're making with either. As for finding out, yeah. Also I can't wait until qualified immunity is removed and every cop is open to being sued for assault.

 

Court TV's whole line up is right there

[GregPersons]

Just now, Jaraxxus said:

Point is both cities are still crime riddled shitholes, despite defunding and disbanding. 

 

Who has defunded? Who has disbanded? 

 

Where has this happened? Only one state has announced an intent to do so. Nothing has been done. Do you know anything you're talking about?

[GregPersons]

1 minute ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Camden and Baltimore have both defunded and gone to community policing already. Educate yourself 

 

So why is Baltimore still considering defunding as of right now? https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-disband-baltimore-police-20200609-7dwii2pbmzcfpjb4flcy3namlu-story.html 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, GregPersons said:

 

So why is Baltimore still considering defunding as of right now? https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-disband-baltimore-police-20200609-7dwii2pbmzcfpjb4flcy3namlu-story.html 

Because it's still run by Democrats?

[GregPersons]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Because it's still run by Democrats?

 

I was just told Baltimore already defunded their police, and were fully community policing. It appears that's not true. Was @Jaraxxus saying something untrue?? Our Jaraxxus??

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, GregPersons said:

 

I was just told Baltimore already defunded their police, and were fully community policing. It appears that's not true. Was @Jaraxxus saying something untrue?? Our Jaraxxus??

Beats me. I don't know much about Baltimore except that I like their aquarium and the harbor area with the sports stadiums. But would it really be surprising to see the same party that's been in power there continue trying the same fruitless strategies?

[GregPersons]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Beats me. I don't know much about Baltimore except that I like their aquarium and the harbor area with the sports stadiums. But would it really be surprising to see the same party that's been in power there continue trying the same fruitless strategies?

 

I don't know much about Baltimore either. But if they're considering defunding the police (something Jaraxxus told us already happened), then that would actually be very different from the same fruitless strategies.