Niagara Bill Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: I can not think of a greater conspiracy in the history of the United States of America than the outgoing President, his Vice President, the heads of the CIA and FBI asking for the name of an American citizen who talked to the Russian Ambassador to the United States about future American policy towards Russia! This is bigger than Dick Chaney fabricating evidence to invade Iraq! Bigger than the NSA under George W. Bush recording every phone call of every American. This is bigger than Bill Clinton having sexual relations with an intern in the Oval Office. This is bigger than the Regan administration selling weapons to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. How Dare President Barrack HUSSEIN Obama think he has the right to know the identity of an American citizen practicing their God Given Right to negotiate foreign policy with the Russian Ambassador!?! And you are not a racist bigot? Seriously capitalize HUSSEIN. Any argument you present after that is mute. If it is a God given right then how do you separate church and state. Religion has no place in politics... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Niagara Bill said: And you are not a racist bigot? Seriously capitalize HUSSEIN. Any argument you present after that is mute. If it is a God given right then how do you separate church and state. Religion has no place in politics... You're not even bright enough to understand sarcasm when you read it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're not even bright enough to understand sarcasm when you read it. No *****. That was awesome. Their eating their own. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No *****. That was awesome. Their eating their own. They’re eating their own. Since we are talking about being bright enough! Edited May 20, 2020 by Q-baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Q-baby! said: They’re eating their own. Can you go back and edit it for me. Thaaaaanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Can you go back and edit it for me. Thaaaaanks. If you are going to reply to a comment about being bright enough, you should probably make sure you get it write!!!!! (Lol write) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Q-baby! said: If you are going to reply to a comment about being bright enough, you should probably make sure you get it write!!!!! (Lol write) If I go back and edit it the comment will be correct. You, on the other hand, will most always be wrong. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: If I go back and edit it the comment will be correct. You, on the other hand, will most always be wrong. Interesting, considering I continue to prove you wrong! Edit.....Sorry, I keep forgetting that you are kitchen help! My bad! Edited May 20, 2020 by Q-baby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I have yet to hear what Trump got right in the past 3.5 years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) I'm independent, but your first statement......"He's in the White House for a reason". Ok..... Clinton was a god awful candidate and Joe Biden will be next. Masses are A$$es. Trump won the election based on excellent marketing, branding of his name, and further dividing party lines. All the while being afforded the ability to say literally anything because nobody could ever pretend to fact check a human being that embellishes at the rate he does. While having the privileges almost no american receives he managed to fail at almost everything he has ever done outside of a TV show and branding his name. His name is so well branded with success it makes citizens think he has at some point in his life been successful in business, which is not true in any capacity. By any practical measure he is an utterly horrible business man. They actually had to make a fake set for the Apprentice because his actual office was so deplorable it wouldn't work. Moving along, he somehow wins votes from people who don't make a lot of money and are very pissed off about the income disparities in this country. That said, Trump would never help somebody or put measures in play that help people in a sub 75k income bracket. Why these people vote for him I don't know. He's rich and they also want to be rich? Break the status quo and turn it into the WWE? If you make 100k+ I get it. He helps your bottom-line and every candidate pretty much sucks, so if that's the case go with the one who benefits you most. At this point I would just settle for somebody that is presidential and doesn't spend half his life on Twitter. Edited May 20, 2020 by KzooMike 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I'm independent, but your first statement......"He's in the White House for a reason". Ok..... Clinton was a god awful candidate and Joe Biden will be next. Masses are A$$es. Trump won the election based on excellent marketing, branding of his name, and further dividing party lines. All the while being afforded the ability to say literally anything because nobody could ever pretend to fact check a human being that embellishes at the rate he does. While having the privileges almost no american receives he managed to fail at almost everything he has ever done outside of a TV show and branding his name. His name is so well branded with success it makes citizens think he has at some point in his life been successful in business, which is not true in any capacity. By any practical measure he is an utterly horrible business man. They actually had to make a fake set for the Apprentice because his actual office was so deplorable it wouldn't work. Moving along, he somehow wins votes from people who don't make a lot of money and are very pissed off about the income disparities in this country. That said, Trump would never help somebody or put measures in play that help people in a sub 75k income bracket. Why these people vote for him I don't know. He's rich and they also want to be rich? Break the status quo and turn it into the WWE? If you make 100k+ I get it. He helps your bottom-line and every candidate pretty much sucks, so if that's the case go with the one who benefits you most. At this point I would just settle for somebody that is presidential and doesn't spend half his life on Twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: I don't hate Trump. I even support right wing politics where religion, ( I distrust Pence), and guns are used as political tools. What I find difficult to understand is how so many people can ignore the Trump version of issues, it changes daily then tells YOU that he didn't say this or that. He is out if control. This is not leadership. Can you imagine Eisenhower, Reagan, Nixon telling the public this kind of crap. If I was an American I would be hugely conflicted. Vote for Biden....almost impossible especially if Nancy supports him, but Trump Pence is no option for my right side politics. 2 weeks ago he decided that 3M could not ship 500,000 masks to Canada...now he sends ventilators to Russia... Flip flop Flip flop...not that sending ventilators is wrong, but to tell Canada to foff. He has changed his position on China, EU, NATO so many times nobody knows what is what except Rhino. Before it starts, the agent known as Rhino will jump in and quote some CCP Political crap. Rhino...fu... Canada has worked behind our backs and secretly been a middleman in order to get Chinese steel into the U.S. without tariffs attached to it. Canada is only our friend when it suits them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, KzooMike said: Moving along, he somehow wins votes from people who don't make a lot of money and are very pissed off about the income disparities in this country. That's not what they're mad about. They're mad about: * Establishment politicians saying nice things to the camera while robbing Americans blind (tradition) * The rule of law being unequally applied * The attempted subversion of the republic and everything it stands for * The elite forcing of globalism on the people while lying about its true purpose -- which was never about making America stronger, only weaker These are real concerns and threats facing our country. People responded to Trump because he was a hand grenade lobbed by the very people who've been ignored and exploited for decades by the political class. It's why he'll win again, black swan or no. Edited May 20, 2020 by Deranged Rhino 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not what they're mad about. They're mad about: * Establishment politicians saying nice things to the camera while robbing Americans blind (tradition) * The rule of law being unequally applied * The attempted subversion of the republic and everything it stands for * The elite forcing of globalism on the people while lying about its true purpose -- which was never about making America stronger, only weaker These are real concerns and threats facing our country. People responded to Trump because he was a hand grenade lobbed by the very people who've been ignored and exploited for decades by the political class. It's why he'll win again, black swan or no. FFS ???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not what they're mad about. They're mad about: * Establishment politicians saying nice things to the camera while robbing Americans blind (tradition) * The rule of law being unequally applied * The attempted subversion of the republic and everything it stands for * The elite forcing of globalism on the people while lying about its true purpose -- which was never about making America stronger, only weaker These are real concerns and threats facing our country. People responded to Trump because he was a hand grenade lobbed by the very people who've been ignored and exploited for decades by the political class. It's why he'll win again, black swan or no. You tagged my on the last one and I will again concede. You speak much more eloquently than I at how he has won the votes of the disenfranchised. That said, aren't we all just pissed at this point? I mean, we don't know how to break the cycle. So much damn money is floating around it can't be broke. Our solution is basically dropping a second atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Who is the next one up? Is this going to go the way of celebrity presidents? I feel like the movie Idiocracy is playing out before our eyes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: Even most haters know answers to that, But BillZtime BillStime continues to plead ignorance. Still waiting Queen B... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I love these "draw out the morons" posts 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Still waiting Queen B... Your wait is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, KzooMike said: You tagged my on the last one and I will again concede. You speak much more eloquently than I at how he has won the votes of the disenfranchised. That said, aren't we all just pissed at this point? I mean, we don't know how to break the cycle. So much damn money is floating around it can't be broke. Our solution is basically dropping a second atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Who is the next one up? Is this going to go the way of celebrity presidents? I feel like the movie Idiocracy is playing out before our eyes. I do hear you, truly. I was you in 2016 (didn't vote Trump, couldn't vote Clinton, voted Obama twice). But once you really see the rot and intentions of the establishment political class (which is bi-partisan rot), the only thing that you know for sure won't break the cycle is to keep electing establishment politicians who got us into this mess. One of the more undeniable trends of the past four years is how former partisan enemies within the political class (think Bush v Obama, Bush v Clinton) immediately became allies in their universal denouncement that Trump was a threat. History proves the Bushes, Clintons, Obamas (and more) were the actual threat. They've been in power for over 30 years -- and in that time have done some horrific things like: launching endless wars for going on two decades while simultaneously gutting the military's ability to fight those wars, throwing away the Bill of Rights in the name of "the war on terror", off shored millions of jobs and our most vital supply chains, and subverted the rule of law to allow them (and their friends) to get away with crimes that would land the average American in jail for decades. That was the first tell for me. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" type logic. But that only got me so far. It wasn't until I really looked under the hood of what happened in 2016, and what was attempted in 2017-2019 that the actual stakes of the game we're playing right now came into focus. This isn't about Trump, or even Biden. It's about whether the people of this country would rather live in an free and democratic republic, or merely the illusion of one. And make no mistake, an actual free and democratic republic can get ugly. But I'd rather have it be ugly and free than the inverse. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy In Pants Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, fansince88 said: I love these "draw out the morons" posts Me too. Edited May 20, 2020 by The Guy In Pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, fansince88 said: I love these "draw out the morons" posts Why are you so hard on yourself? I know it must be hard to meet friends right now, but things will get back to normal and the library washrooms will reopen!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, KzooMike said: I'm independent, but your first statement......"He's in the White House for a reason". Ok..... Clinton was a god awful candidate and Joe Biden will be next. Masses are A$$es. Trump won the election based on excellent marketing, branding of his name, and further dividing party lines. All the while being afforded the ability to say literally anything because nobody could ever pretend to fact check a human being that embellishes at the rate he does. While having the privileges almost no american receives he managed to fail at almost everything he has ever done outside of a TV show and branding his name. His name is so well branded with success it makes citizens think he has at some point in his life been successful in business, which is not true in any capacity. By any practical measure he is an utterly horrible business man. They actually had to make a fake set for the Apprentice because his actual office was so deplorable it wouldn't work. Moving along, he somehow wins votes from people who don't make a lot of money and are very pissed off about the income disparities in this country. That said, Trump would never help somebody or put measures in play that help people in a sub 75k income bracket. Why these people vote for him I don't know. He's rich and they also want to be rich? Break the status quo and turn it into the WWE? If you make 100k+ I get it. He helps your bottom-line and every candidate pretty much sucks, so if that's the case go with the one who benefits you most. At this point I would just settle for somebody that is presidential and doesn't spend half his life on Twitter. I am in complete agreement with you. I heard that not only did they build a set for the reality TV show, some of the people on the reality tv show had make up applied by Hollywood types, there were some episodes where they did multiple takes, and sometimes the voices were dubbed in. I also heard some scenes were scripted, that maybe sometimes people were overly dramatic or aggressive purely for entertainment value,and that the car outside after someone got fired wasn’t there by chance. I also noticed no one ever used the bathroom, which is odd. You also hit on the branding of Team Trump. They out-hustled the competition, out marketed, out worked and were masters at digital marketing. Ironically, Joe Biden also specializes in digital penetration, though a different type. He appealed to an extremely broad segment of the public, from no collar to blue collar to white collar. Historically speaking, he rocked the world and should rightly be acknowledged for it. Let’s hope for 4 more years. But yeah, lots of people were fooled by The Apprentice experiment. Same thing happened with Leave It To Beaver (the original sit com, not the porn remake). People were furious when they found out everyone on the show was an actor. , Edited May 21, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 This ignore feature is priceless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: This ignore feature is priceless. Yes, the dweebs enjoy it for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I am in complete agreement with you. I heard that not only did they build a set for the reality TV show, some of the people on the reality tv show had make up applied by Hollywood types, there were some episodes where they did multiple takes, and sometimes the voices were dubbed in. I also heard some scenes were scripted, that maybe sometimes people were overly dramatic or aggressive purely for entertainment value,and that the car outside after someone got fired wasn’t there by chance. I also noticed no one ever used the bathroom, which is odd. You also hit on the branding of Team Trump. They out-hustled the competition, out marketed, out worked and were masters at digital marketing. He appealed to an extremely broad segment of the public, from no collar to blue collar to white collar. Historically speaking, he rocked the world and should rightly be congratulated for it. Let’s hope for 4 more years. But yeah, lots of people were fooled by The Apprentice experiment. Same thing happened with Leave It To Beaver (the original sit com, not the porn remake). People were furious when they found out everyone on the show was an actor. , Another irony is that I believe the CEO of CNN now was the producer for the Apprentice. Everything is contrived. It looks like Q-lazy posted something. I'll bet it was another proof of intelligent life. I guess I will have to go through the rest of my life not knowing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Another irony is that I believe the CEO of CNN now was the producer for the Apprentice. Everything is contrived. It looks like Q-lazy posted something. I'll bet it was another proof of intelligent life. I guess I will have to go through the rest of my life not knowing. Maybe if you weren’t such a princess, you could see what other people write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Reality Check said: This ignore feature is priceless. I find the feature equivalent to hanging up one of those sticky back two sided gnat strips. Just set it and forget it. Those gnats are still out there but every couple of days I can look at that sticky yellow paper and see 40 more of those annoying but harmless wretches, stuck to and dying on the vine. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I do hear you, truly. I was you in 2016 (didn't vote Trump, couldn't vote Clinton, voted Obama twice). But once you really see the rot and intentions of the establishment political class (which is bi-partisan rot), the only thing that you know for sure won't break the cycle is to keep electing establishment politicians who got us into this mess. One of the more undeniable trends of the past four years is how former partisan enemies within the political class (think Bush v Obama, Bush v Clinton) immediately became allies in their universal denouncement that Trump was a threat. History proves the Bushes, Clintons, Obamas (and more) were the actual threat. They've been in power for over 30 years -- and in that time have done some horrific things like: launching endless wars for going on two decades while simultaneously gutting the military's ability to fight those wars, throwing away the Bill of Rights in the name of "the war on terror", off shored millions of jobs and our most vital supply chains, and subverted the rule of law to allow them (and their friends) to get away with crimes that would land the average American in jail for decades. That was the first tell for me. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" type logic. But that only got me so far. It wasn't until I really looked under the hood of what happened in 2016, and what was attempted in 2017-2019 that the actual stakes of the game we're playing right now came into focus. This isn't about Trump, or even Biden. It's about whether the people of this country would rather live in an free and democratic republic, or merely the illusion of one. And make no mistake, an actual free and democratic republic can get ugly. But I'd rather have it be ugly and free than the inverse. Good post and yes, we sound like we have similar takes on some things. My two issues, primary issues, campaign finance reform as well as Wall Street reform (Repeal of Glass-Steagall) have led to horrific consequences to the systems overall balance. At one point I identified more with Democrats but still have some Republican views. In time they just both blended into a melting pot of the same BS. As I said, most of which you describe better than me. I have no earthly clue how the US stops this cycle. For me, it's not Democrat or Republican, it's the system. I am the voter you described in why Trump won. Like you, Obama twice, couldn't do Hillary nor Trump. I see similar attitudes playing out among people like ourselves throughout this next election. It's hard to evoke passion to vote based on dislike of the opposite party. I very well could sit this one out again, but it's possible my frustration over the complete mockery of the presidency is enough to cast a vote for somebody I really don't believe in just to prevent somebody who is even worse from winning. As you point out, that is just another vote towards establishment politics which I'm certainly not endorsing. I just hope this pattern of keep blowing it up doesn't land us in an even worse position. As this is occurring, these blow it up presidents are nominating Supreme court justices, creating policy, and lets face it, while not establishment politics, certainly advancing the agenda of income inequality. I love capitalism, but it's dangerous with the level of greed that can come with it and the ability of that greed to infiltrate all forms of the way decisions and policy are made. We have reached a point in which the scales are so deeply tipped, I don't know how we get back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Q-baby! said: Interesting, considering I continue to prove you wrong! Edit.....Sorry, I keep forgetting that you are kitchen help! My bad! Really?? Typos? That's all ya got? 1 hour ago, BillStime said: I have yet to hear what Trump got right in the past 3.5 years? Because it's subjective. He could cure cancer and you schmucks would find something wrong about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Really?? Typos? That's all ya got? Didn’t you admit that you were wrong last night as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Q-baby! said: Didn’t you admit that you were wrong last night as well? I certainly did. Rather to be occasionally wrong and admit it than come across as a petulant, vulgar, immature child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: I certainly did. Rather to be occasionally wrong and admit it than come across as a petulant, vulgar, immature child. Stop being wrong then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Q-baby! said: Stop being wrong then! Nah. Can't promise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Nah. Can't promise that. Fair enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Q-baby! said: Fair enough! Now can you stop being a vulgar, immature, petulant child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Now can you stop being a vulgar, immature, petulant child. Nah. Can’t promise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Q-baby! said: Nah. Can’t promise that. That's sad to admit that. But not surprising. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Now can you stop being a vulgar, immature, petulant child. I don't believe that is in his job description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Because it's subjective. He could cure cancer and you schmucks would find something wrong about it. Strike two - who’s next? What has Trump accomplished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: That's sad to admit that. But not surprising. Carry on. Thank you! I will continue to prove you wrong! 4 minutes ago, Reality Check said: I don't believe that is in his job description. $$$$ Edited May 21, 2020 by Q-baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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