FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Just for context Patrick Mahomes account for .1875 more TDs per game than Allen. That .625 number that you are trying to downplay is a chasm. This dude must own PFF stock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I pick Jorsh. In fact. I choo-choo choose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Its just a validation of the early conclusions on Allen: without his running, his not a viable starting QB. Mahomes has 76 passing TDs and 18 Ints in 31 games at a 303 ypg clip. We can get into how much sitting one year helped, Andy Reid, or his weapons, but he is in another galaxy from Allen as a passer. Mahomes first year as a starter he had a 1.79 TD factor over Allen. Why are we excluding it? We don’t exclude it when evaluating Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 If Allen was to keep up 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: This dude must own PFF stock. The conclusion I take away from Allen's first two years are he has to keep running to be viable, or the Bills may not score more than 20 ppg on his arm. That's the concern. How Diggs affects that? Hopefully an uptick of 6-7 more passing TDs because he can get clean separation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: This dude must own PFF stock. It’s honestly insane. There is so much twisting and contorting to fit a narrative. Now we are supposed to overlook his rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Why are we excluding it? We don’t exclude it when evaluating Lamar. If he can keep up 8-9 rushing TDs per year then by all means. Usually, as a career goes on the rushing starts to trail off, but maybe not with Allen. The Scouting Reports have been pretty accurate on Allen through two years. It's not slander or something. He is a 190 ypg passer 1 TD, 0.5 Int and 0.5 TD rushing. Hopefully he goes out and has 4,000 yards, 28 TDs and throws for 250 yards per game. He does that and all these hypothetical comparisons will go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: If he can keep up 8-9 rushing TDs per year then by all means. Usually, as a career goes on the rushing starts to trail off, but maybe not with Allen. The Scouting Reports have been pretty accurate on Allen through two years. It's not slander or something. He is a 190 ypg passer 1 TD, 0.5 Int and 0.5 TD rushing. A 3-1 TD:INT ratio is pretty good you know. So yeah, it’s not slander, it’s praise. I do enjoy the contortion act to get off the Trubisky v Allen topic. Wonderfully done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s honestly insane. There is so much twisting and contorting to fit a narrative. Now we are supposed to overlook his rushing. The Bills offense scored 19.6 ppg with Allen under center, a weak schedule, and a defense that allowed 16.2 ppg. So it's not insane to question whether Allen is a budding superstar. I get it, we all like that he works really hard, loves Buffalo, comes from a small school, is an underdog. But I am not convinced that the Bills will ever have a top flight offense with him under center because he's never shown that in college or so far in the pros. 2020 will be his best circumstances yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s honestly insane. There is so much twisting and contorting to fit a narrative. Now we are supposed to overlook his rushing. Even if that dude took away a third of Allen’s TD’s, he still said he’d take Allen over Mitch, but apparently it’s “close.” PFF wins by this even be addressed on this board. The Bears don’t even agree with Mitch > Allen today and they traded up for Mitch and took him #2 overall. The Bears didn’t even agree with Mitch over Chase Daniel for a few games last year lol. 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: The Bills offense scored 19.6 ppg with Allen under center, a weak schedule, and a defense that allowed 16.2 ppg. So it's not insane to question whether Allen is a budding superstar. I get it, we all like that he works really hard, loves Buffalo, comes from a small school, is an underdog. But I am not convinced that the Bills will ever have a top flight offense with him under center because he's never shown that in college or so far in the pros. 2020 will be his best circumstances yet. How many times does it need to be told to you that this is NOT the question being posed in this thread. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Even if that dude took away a third of Allen’s TD’s, he still said he’d take Allen over Mitch, but apparently it’s “close.” PFF wins by this even be addressed on this board. The Bears don’t even agree with Mitch > Allen today and they traded up for Mitch and took him #2 overall. The Bears didn’t even agree with Mitch over Chase Daniel for a few games last year lol. How many times does it need to be told to you that this is NOT the question being posed in this thread. FFS. The reason the Trubisky comparison is made on PFF is because of his development in Year 2. If Allen goes out and has Trubisky’s year 3, he’ll be facing camp competition in 2021. I already said outright I’d take Allen right now over Trubisky, but Bears fans thought they had something too before last year started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: The reason the Trubisky comparison is made on PFF is because of his development in Year 2. If Allen goes out and has Trubisky’s year 3, he’ll be facing camp competition in 2021. I already said outright I’d take Allen right now over Trubisky, but Bears fans thought they had something too before last year started. Exactly, that’s why the PFF topic is moronic. You aren’t convinced by Allen yet. That’s reasonable. You don’t think he’s proven to be consistent enough to hang in the NFL. That’s defensible. And still you’d take Allen over Mitch. If you wouldn’t take Mitch over Allen, WHO WOULD? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Just for context Patrick Mahomes account for .1875 more TDs per game than Allen. That .625 number that you are trying to downplay is a chasm. This td per game stat is cool but you don’t think it’s a little overplayed. A qb who runs a lot is going to do great in that stat. For instance, Aaron Rodgers has 26 passing tds and 1 rushing one. Aaron Jones had 16 running tds. He had 19 rushes inside the 10 and converted 11 of them into tds. Frank Gore had 18 rushes inside the 10 and converted 2. I believe you’re in NO and Brees loses tds to Murray, Kamara, and Hill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: What about Mother Dahmer? I hear she's a real hoot! i wouldn't kick her out for eatin' crackers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Why are we excluding it? We don’t exclude it when evaluating Lamar. Lamar still led the NFL in TD passes, and his RBs still scored. Many of Allen’s rushing TDs came at the expense of his backs as evidenced by the fact that they had a total of 4 on the season. In the Pittsburgh game, for example, Singletary had a long run to about the six inch line for first and goal. The next play was a QB draw where Allen walked in untouched. Nearly every other team hands that ball off for the TD. Allen had 9 rushing TDs 1 yard 1 yard 1 yard 1 yard 3 yards 6 yards 8 yards 10 yards 15 yards Lamar had 7 1 yard 1 yard 3 yards 8 yards 9 yards 21 yards 47 yards So of Allen’s 29 TDs, 4 of them were 1 yard runs (14%). Of Jackson’s 43 TDs, 2 of them were 1yard runs (5%). If you take their QB sneaks out of the equation, Jackson is still an MVP level QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 This thread is a who's who of terrible football takes ^^like the guy who wants to discount Allen's rushing TDs because 'nearly every other team hands that ball off for the TD' when comparing him to Lamar Jackson...who threw half of his touchdowns from inside the 5 yard line lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Billl said: So of Allen’s 29 TDs, 4 of them were 1 yard runs (14%). Of Jackson’s 43 TDs, 2 of them were 1yard runs (5%). If you take their QB sneaks out of the equation, Jackson is still an MVP level QB. If Allen can bolster his passing numbers by running or 8-9 TDs every year, then great. I just don't know if that is sustainable. If it's not, then the passing numbers have to improve or he's in the bottom 5 of the league. As long as the Bills offense scores more points, that's the most important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 46 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: The reason the Trubisky comparison is made on PFF is because of his development in Year 2. If Allen goes out and has Trubisky’s year 3, he’ll be facing camp competition in 2021. I already said outright I’d take Allen right now over Trubisky, but Bears fans thought they had something too before last year started. IF ALLEN GOES OUT AND HAS TRUBISKY'S YEAR 3 THEN WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION YOU SLEEPY POTATO 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: If Allen can bolster his passing numbers by running or 8-9 TDs every year, then great. I just don't know if that is sustainable. If it's not, then the passing numbers have to improve or he's in the bottom 5 of the league. As long as the Bills offense scores more points, that's the most important. If you look at the way the Bills use Josh in the RZ and the way Cam was used in the RZ, it’s probably sustainable he gets something like 5 to 8 rushing TD’s per year. Cam rushed about .46 TD’s per start over his career. Josh is at .62. Some years he may only have 4 and some years he may have double digits. I agree that expecting 9 RTD’s every year is unlikely to come to fruition. But with the addition of Diggs I could see 25 PTD’s and 5 RTD’s next year easy. 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: IF ALLEN GOES OUT AND HAS TRUBISKY'S YEAR 3 THEN WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION YOU SLEEPY POTATO Lol. It’s really quite simple. Saying Tom Brady or Russell Wilson was underdrafted is using the benefit of hindsight. Asking if you’d rather have Tom Brady or Russell Wilson next season as your QB is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: This thread is a who's who of terrible football takes ^^like the guy who wants to discount Allen's rushing TDs because 'nearly every other team hands that ball off for the TD' when comparing him to Lamar Jackson...who threw half of his touchdowns from inside the 5 yard line lmfao Your posts are great. Too bad they’re complete BS. Average length of TD pass by LJ: 17.83 yards Average length of TD pass by JA: 17.95 yards TD passes >40 yards LJ: 4 JA: 1 Percentage of TD passes from inside 5 yards LJ: 16.7% JA: 15% 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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