The Big Gamble: Hydroxychloroquine

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

If a doctor and patient discuss the fact that the drug is not proven to be effective and they review the potential side effects and both agree to give it a try, go for it.

Who is disagreeing with that? If that's your stance this has been just a whole shitload of wasted time. Regardless, who is your candidate of choice this November?

[Wacka]

Scraps, the Bill Nye of PPP.

People can die from water. Remember that woman who died after drinking too much water for a game console.

[Scraps]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Who is disagreeing with that? If that's your stance this has been just a whole shitload of wasted time. Regardless, who is your candidate of choice this November?

Why don't you ask that of Doc, Chef Jim and everyone else who has taken me to task?  I don't consider myself to be on the left but I think that is the opinion of most people, even on the left.  The problem from my point of view is that if you aren't willing to cast all caution aside, you are simply against Trump.

[Scraps]

1 minute ago, Wacka said:

Scraps, the Bill Nye of PPP.

People can die from water. Remember that woman who died after drinking too much water for a game console.

Hold your pee for a Wii?  Yeah I remember that.

 

This is a bit different though isn't it?  People have over dosed and aquarium cleaner in large part because Trump downplays the risk.  It can lead to shortages of the drug for people with other conditions who could really benefit from the drug.  From what few, contradictory studies I've read, this might be effective for not seriously ill people but ineffective for seriously ill people.  I think that is part of why Fauci and Birx don't wholly endorse this drug.  And contrary to what Doc has said, it isn't the only potential treatment out there.  The people I'm arguing with seem to believe that if you don't cast all caution aside, you want people to die, to damage Trump;

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Why don't you ask that of Doc, Chef Jim and everyone else who has taken me to task?  I don't consider myself to be on the left but I think that is the opinion of most people, even on the left.  The problem from my point of view is that if you aren't willing to cast all caution aside, you are simply against Trump.

Now there you go again, misstating what everyone here has said. The HCQ approach should be thoroughly studied. In the meantime a covid-19 patient and their doctor should discuss its use and decide together whether to use it. Who here has disagreed with that? Who here is casting all caution aside? 

[Scraps]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Now there you go again, misstating what everyone here has said. The HCQ approach should be thoroughly studied. In the meantime a covid-19 patient and their doctor should discuss its use and decide together whether to use it. Who here has disagreed with that? Who here is casting all caution aside? 

Doc, Chef Jim to name a couple.

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

Hold your pee for a Wii?  Yeah I remember that.

 

This is a bit different though isn't it?  People have over dosed and aquarium cleaner in large part because Trump downplays the risk.  It can lead to shortages of the drug for people with other conditions who could really benefit from the drug.  From what few, contradictory studies I've read, this might be effective for not seriously ill people but ineffective for seriously ill people.  I think that is part of why Fauci and Birx don't wholly endorse this drug.  And contrary to what Doc has said, it isn't the only potential treatment out there.  The people I'm arguing with seem to believe that if you don't cast all caution aside, you want people to die, to damage Trump;

You're blaming Trump for a husband and wife taking a fish tank cleaner that was clearly marked not for human consumption? A ton of the drug has been ordered with also another ton already received.

 

Why do you keep returning to that?

[Scraps]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

You're blaming Trump for a husband and wife taking a fish tank cleaner that was clearly marked not for human consumption? A ton of the drug has been ordered with also another ton already received.

 

Why do you keep returning to that?

Keep returning to it?  Its the first time I've mentioned it in this thread.

[Koko78]

11 minutes ago, Scraps said:

This is a bit different though isn't it?  People have over dosed and aquarium cleaner in large part because Trump downplays the risk. 

 

No, they overdosed on aquarium cleaner because they're ***** morons.

[GG]

8 hours ago, Scraps said:

No.

 

Well since you don’t find a video of a direct quote by a prominent politician criticizing Trump’s position on the drug, I’ll ask you exactly what you found objectionable in what Trump said about the drug?

[Scraps]

Just now, Koko78 said:

 

No, they overdosed on aquarium cleaner because they're ***** morons.

I agree that they are morons.  That doesn't change the fact the Trump repeatedly downplays the negative side effects of the drug and that will influence people, particularly those who ignore the MSM.

Just now, GG said:

 

Well since you don’t find a video of a direct quote by a prominent politician criticizing Trump’s position on the drug, I’ll ask you exactly what you found objectionable in what Trump said about the drug?

I didn't see a video.  I read an article.  Nowhere did I see a prominent politician object to trials on this drug or compassionate use of this drug.  Please provide a direct quote.

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I agree that they are morons.  That doesn't change the fact the Trump repeatedly downplays the negative side effects of the drug and that will influence people, particularly those who ignore the MSM.

I didn't see a video.  I read an article.  Nowhere did I see a prominent politician object to trials on this drug or compassionate use of this drug.  Please provide a direct quote.

You are arguing just to argue now. Bye.

[Wacka]

Scraps just like Bill Nye. Both engineers. Scraps acts like an expert on medication and No s like an expert on climate. 

[Scraps]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

You are arguing just to argue now. Bye.

I'm not arguing just to argue.  You accused me of repeatedly bringing this up.  I brought this up one time in this thread.

 

GG doesn't bother to read links that he has posted  I simply asked him to back up his assertion in his own link.

 

Have a good nigjht.

Just now, Wacka said:

Scraps just like Bill Nye. Both engineers. Scraps acts like an expert on medication and No s like an expert on climate. 

Quite the contrary.  I'm not an expert on medication.  Nobody in this thread is.  

[GG]

8 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I agree that they are morons.  That doesn't change the fact the Trump repeatedly downplays the negative side effects of the drug and that will influence people, particularly those who ignore the MSM.

I didn't see a video.  I read an article.  Nowhere did I see a prominent politician object to trials on this drug or compassionate use of this drug.  Please provide a direct quote.

 

The article was accompanying the video of Harris on a news show.   You don’t characterize a Senator calling Trump a drug pusher, as way to object his recommendation for the drug’s use?  Really?

 

BTW, what exactly did Trump say about the treatment that’s so objectionable?

[Scraps]

Just now, GG said:

 

The article was accompanying the video of Harris on a news show.   You don’t characterize a Senator calling Trump a drug pusher, as way to object his recommendation for the drug’s use?  Really?

 

BTW, what exactly did Trump say about the treatment that’s so objectionable?

I called him a snake oil salesman so, no, I object to him repeatedly touting this drug and downplaying the side effects even when Doctors appearing with him won't support his assertions and offer cautions.

[GG]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I'm not arguing just to argue.  You accused me of repeatedly bringing this up.  I brought this up one time in this thread.

 

GG doesn't bother to read links that he has posted  I simply asked him to back up his assertion in his own link.

 

Have a good nigjht.

Quite the contrary.  I'm not an expert on medication.  Nobody in this thread is.  

 

This is the tack you’re taking after 10 pages of arguments, that a news article describing a TV appearance isn’t sufficient.  Here you go Sue, video footage.   Next you’ll probably say that it’s not Harris on that clip.

Just now, Scraps said:

I called him a snake oil salesman so, no, I object to him repeatedly touting this drug and downplaying the side effects even when Doctors appearing with him won't support his assertions and offer cautions.

 

I’ll repeat.

 

What exactly did he say that is so objectionable?

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, Scraps said:

I agree that they are morons.  That doesn't change the fact the Trump repeatedly downplays the negative side effects of the drug and that will influence people, particularly those who ignore the MSM.

 

Trump says to talk to your DOCTOR you flaming idiot!!!!  That’s no different than any other drug commercial on TV.  Turn off CNN once in your life and you might find out what’s really going on. 

[Scraps]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This is the tack you’re taking after 10 pages of arguments, that a news article describing a TV appearance isn’t sufficient.  Here you go Sue, video footage.   Next you’ll probably say that it’s not Harris on that clip.

Thanks for the link.  Having viewed the video, I have less problem with what Harris said than what I read.  A common complaint is that this drug is not proven effective on Covid-19 and Trump's touts create hoarding by people who don't need these drugs and shortages for those who need it for Lupus or arthritis. Sorry you were to lazy to understand the last 10 pages.

[Doc]

Like I said, ignorant.