The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[TBBills]

24 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Oooooh. Chinese bank accounts. 
I had a Chinese bank account for years. 
probably means I’m Hitler, too. 
Meanwhile your hero, non-POTUS-Elect Biden, has been large scale grifting with China for years with his son as the point man. 

flashdrive?

[Big Blitz]

22 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well that's straight up wrong, but I really don't expect you to come armed with facts, so carry on.

 

 

 

K.  If the findings were the opposite it would be wall to wall on your fake news feed

 

 

 

I also have you know....evidence....On August 12 Illinois mandated masks in public.

 

Here you go....what happened?  

[Big Blitz]

Sham.  Complete hoax and sham.

 

This middle pic was Jan 30 in the NY Times with caption "body of man lie dead presumably from Covid."

 

The NY Times:

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

K.  If the findings were the opposite it would be wall to wall on your fake news feed

 

 

 

I also have you know....evidence....On August 12 Illinois mandated masks in public.

 

Here you go....what happened?  

 

I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. Sighh...

 

You didn't actually read the study, did you?

 

If you did you may have (probably not) discovered a few things:

 

Mask wearers had a lower covid rate than non mask wearers: 1.8% to 2.1% 

 

Participants were not on a controlled environment.

 

They were not required to wear masks in their own household.

They were not restricted from having people in their household.

Their behavior out of the household was not regulated beyond the suggestion that they wear a mask.

The only verification that masks were worn was via self report.

 

The peer reviews on the link you supplied tore the study to shreds for even more reasons related to the poor structure and control of the experiment.

 

Science is a process, and it requires that processes be carefully controlled, measured and analyzed in order for valuable evidence to be derived. Well run experiments are so specific that proving something as broad as the efficacy of masks should not really be possible.

 

Putting a kickback guard on a chainsaw doesn't prevent you from cutting your arm off if you want to.

 

[Big Blitz]

A man lies dead in the street: the image that captures the Wuhan coronavirus crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis

 

 

This crap laid the groundwork for the freakout and probably why Trump knew it was a hoax.  

 

Think about it.  It emerges in Wuhan in December.  In 1 month they were telling us 80K ! people were dead.  One month.  What happened to all the lags!!!   Sick.  Hospitalized.  Deaths.  That needs a month plus.  But on Jan 15 the WHO is telling the world nothing to see here in China.  

 

This was either a political coup or a bio attack from China due to Hong Kong, Trump, and the need to tell the world they run the show.

 

The BFFs of China in this country have been dead silent since day 1.  

 

[BullBuchanan]

Funny you mention no dead people lying in the streets. Police had no problem letting David McAtee lie in the street for 14 hours after they murdered him while he was serving food from his restaurant.

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

A man lies dead in the street: the image that captures the Wuhan coronavirus crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis

 

 

This crap laid the groundwork for the freakout and probably why Trump knew it was a hoax.  

 

Think about it.  It emerges in Wuhan in December.  In 1 month they were telling us 80K ! people were dead.  One month.  What happened to all the lags!!!   Sick.  Hospitalized.  Deaths.  That needs a month plus.  But on Jan 15 the WHO is telling the world nothing to see here in China.  

 

This was either a political coup or a bio attack from China due to Hong Kong, Trump, and the need to tell the world they run the show.

 

The BFFs of China in this country have been dead silent since day 1.  

 

And meanwhile, Trump's administration claims the equivalent of 75 9/11's in deaths from a hoax.

 

I wonder how high the numbers would be if they didn't report to him?

 

[Bakin]

36 minutes ago, TBBills said:

flashdrive?

[shoshin]

38 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. Sighh...

 

You didn't actually read the study, did you?

 

If you did you may have (probably not) discovered a few things:

 

Mask wearers had a lower covid rate than non mask wearers: 1.8% to 2.1% 

 

Participants were not on a controlled environment.

 

They were not required to wear masks in their own household.

They were not restricted from having people in their household.

Their behavior out of the household was not regulated beyond the suggestion that they wear a mask.

The only verification that masks were worn was via self report.

 

The peer reviews on the link you supplied tore the study to shreds for even more reasons related to the poor structure and control of the experiment.

 

Science is a process, and it requires that processes be carefully controlled, measured and analyzed in order for valuable evidence to be derived. Well run experiments are so specific that proving something as broad as the efficacy of masks should not really be possible.

 

Putting a kickback guard on a chainsaw doesn't prevent you from cutting your arm off if you want to.

 

 

Aaaaaaaand...that study was only about protecting the wearer, not how the wearer protects others. 

 

Rudy will next be suing coroners for counting deaths wrong. 

Edited November 20, 2020 by shoshin

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Aaaaaaaand...that study was only about protecting the wearer, not how the wearer protects others. 

 

Rudy will next be suing coroners for counting deaths wrong. 

Good catch I forgot that part when I was trying to keep track of all the flaws.

 

 

bUt mY hAlLoWeEn!!! I can't wait until we celebrate the pilgrims killing the Native Americans by giving each other a deadly disease next week. At least there will be turkey.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

15 hours ago, shoshin said:

Back to 2000 deaths a day. Wonder where we will top out. 
 

If we get 20-40M people dosed in December, that will make a huge impact, because they should be the highest risk folk. Still no plan for distribution from the administration. 

depends on the border. Jersey borders the highest Pa population base and it masks well. 

Masks help but they don’t make as big of a difference as the virtue signaling would make you think. 
 

The economy should be open especially schools but at the same time, we should all be distanced where possible. Work from home if you’re can. Don’t have parties. Etc. We are close to the other side of this mess. 

Right I'm a supporter wearing masks if others don't not going to complain.  Towards buffalo down south border state pa not going to say live in public.  They had a festival one time someplace in pa for food. No workers among others no mask. Was like damn . Besides my buddy and I.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Big Blitz]

58 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Aaaaaaaand...that study was only about protecting the wearer, not how the wearer protects others. 

 

Rudy will next be suing coroners for counting deaths wrong. 

 

 

False they could not reach a determination as to whether or not masks reduce rates of infection.  Inconclusive but suggests it does not.

 

It's in the publication.  They flat out said it could actually INCREASE rate of infection.  

 

 

[shoshin]

25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

False they could not reach a determination as to whether or not masks reduce rates of infection.  Inconclusive but suggests it does not.

 

It's in the publication.  They flat out said it could actually INCREASE rate of infection.  

 

 

 

Read the study. Don't quote the Tweet. No conclusion on spread. None. 

[TBBills]

On 11/18/2020 at 9:16 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

The Danish mask study was released today.  First major study on masks and Covid.

 

I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself why it was released after the election after being completed over 3 months ago.

 

 

 

@dhg

You so dumb

https://vitals.lifehacker.com/we-need-to-talk-about-that-danish-masks-dont-work-study-1845716261

 

Told you idiots that right wing nutbag ***** won't fly here anymore.

Edited November 20, 2020 by TBBills

[Big Blitz]

Millions of people walking around touching and tugging their face diapers where the outer layer is caked in saliva.

 

Then, they touch with those same fingers that have been tugging at saliva all day, the high touch areas.

 

Then, they rub their face and tug on their face diapers.  

 

 

Remember when this was a droplet virus?  Then they decided to stop updating us on the actual science because reasons and saw that a brain dead nation was arguing with each other about face diapers and blaming Trump for the remaining 10% of the population that wasn't regularly wearing them by oh....June.  

 

At some point that brain you had that has become infected with TDS should consider asking "maybe the masks aren't really the barrier we think it is.  Maybe we should just not cough in each others face, keep your hands clean, and not yell and scream at someone in Target because they arent wearing a mask.  Congratulations, you just exhaled in your 45 second tirade against someone with the audacity to walk around without a mask, then that person will just beating through their nose and not talking in the 30 minutes they'll be in the store keeping their hands clean and not touching anything they won't buy, and then be on their way.

 

I have a functional brain and I figured this out oh around the last week of March.  It's called common sense.  But cool, you keep thinking your face diaper is doing a bang up job saving grandma. 

 

You don't get people to cooperate by issuing controversial mandates with zero freaking justification.  Had you let the people do literally everything on their own you would have had the same compliance and more.  People tend to respond better here in the West (Sweden knew this) when you don't force them to do things.  But because you're communist fascist totalitarianist "we need to be like China" loons that are products of public education living in liberal bubbles that think you can micromanage global warming, you thought we would just follow every single condescending (how you come across in times like this matters) mandate with no push back.  Despite losing jobs and homes and setting back our elementary school kids back perhaps to the point they will never recover.  What was done was the height of elitist privilege.  It will go down in history as an embarrassment to Western Civilization at best, or its collapse at worst.  

 

 

Having the ENTIRE NATION stay at home when the virus was in NYC and hardly anywhere else was dumb.  This was Trump's failure.  Not standing up to the draconian stupid without having any idea what we were dealing with and more importantly WHERE, and in so violating the "we just need 15 days" which we all did, and went to 30....then 45.....then 2 months.....then to "till a vaccine, you created the biggest breach of trust in the history of the Republic.  And that's why it was horrific.  You knew we would go much much longer.  That's on Fauci.  

 

And you're stunned half the country (its more) wants to tell all you idiots to go pound sand, and then you have the audacity to lecture those people who are watching their kids suffer, their marriages suffer, their livelihoods suffer, for not "obeying" your arbitrary dictates.  . 

 

Today the AG in VA was able to shut down a 25K annual gun show event outdoors in Chantilly.  See, that's a superspeader event.  BLM protests?  Those are necessary because the country is racist.  

 

Nope.  These people you call the "experts" can all pound sand.  

 

Oh and my advice or if I could mandate things that would save lives....you all would be going to the gym 6 days a week and eating less then 3000 calories a day and mix in salad.  Shut down all fast food.  We'll put an app on your phone that will alert the Calorie Tracers I would hire to come and pay you a visit when you go over 3000 calories.  

 

 

Thank you.  And God bless America. 

 

[BullBuchanan]

24 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Millions of people walking around touching and tugging their face diapers where the outer layer is caked in saliva.

 

Then, they touch with those same fingers that have been tugging at saliva all day, the high touch areas.

 

Then, they rub their face and tug on their face diapers.  

 

 

Remember when this was a droplet virus?  Then they decided to stop updating us on the actual science because reasons and saw that a brain dead nation was arguing with each other about face diapers and blaming Trump for the remaining 10% of the population that wasn't regularly wearing them by oh....June.  

 

At some point that brain you had that has become infected with TDS should consider asking "maybe the masks aren't really the barrier we think it is.  Maybe we should just not cough in each others face, keep your hands clean, and not yell and scream at someone in Target because they arent wearing a mask.  Congratulations, you just exhaled in your 45 second tirade against someone with the audacity to walk around without a mask, then that person will just beating through their nose and not talking in the 30 minutes they'll be in the store keeping their hands clean and not touching anything they won't buy, and then be on their way.

 

I have a functional brain and I figured this out oh around the last week of March.  It's called common sense.  But cool, you keep thinking your face diaper is doing a bang up job saving grandma. 

 

You don't get people to cooperate by issuing controversial mandates with zero freaking justification.  Had you let the people do literally everything on their own you would have had the same compliance and more.  People tend to respond better here in the West (Sweden knew this) when you don't force them to do things.  But because you're communist fascist totalitarianist "we need to be like China" loons that are products of public education living in liberal bubbles that think you can micromanage global warming, you thought we would just follow every single condescending (how you come across in times like this matters) mandate with no push back.  Despite losing jobs and homes and setting back our elementary school kids back perhaps to the point they will never recover.  What was done was the height of elitist privilege.  It will go down in history as an embarrassment to Western Civilization at best, or its collapse at worst.  

 

 

Having the ENTIRE NATION stay at home when the virus was in NYC and hardly anywhere else was dumb.  This was Trump's failure.  Not standing up to the draconian stupid without having any idea what we were dealing with and more importantly WHERE, and in so violating the "we just need 15 days" which we all did, and went to 30....then 45.....then 2 months.....then to "till a vaccine, you created the biggest breach of trust in the history of the Republic.  And that's why it was horrific.  You knew we would go much much longer.  That's on Fauci.  

 

And you're stunned half the country (its more) wants to tell all you idiots to go pound sand, and then you have the audacity to lecture those people who are watching their kids suffer, their marriages suffer, their livelihoods suffer, for not "obeying" your arbitrary dictates.  . 

 

Today the AG in VA was able to shut down a 25K annual gun show event outdoors in Chantilly.  See, that's a superspeader event.  BLM protests?  Those are necessary because the country is racist.  

 

Nope.  These people you call the "experts" can all pound sand.  

 

Oh and my advice or if I could mandate things that would save lives....you all would be going to the gym 6 days a week and eating less then 3000 calories a day and mix in salad.  Shut down all fast food.  We'll put an app on your phone that will alert the Calorie Tracers I would hire to come and pay you a visit when you go over 3000 calories.  

 

 

Thank you.  And God bless America. 

 

 

I bet you didn't even notice in all of your ravings how you admitted that masks work. Thanks for coming around, sport.

Edited November 20, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Big Blitz]

52 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I bet you didn't even notice in all of your ravings how you admitted that masks work. Thanks for coming around, sport.

 

 

Nope you missed the point entirely.  

 

I said they should not be mandated if you wanted compliance.  

 

And I literally said it is not the barrier you think it is based on the numbers now.  I even said earlier today that back in March I was fine with masks but we need to be full open.  I guess bc you dont want to be full open with masks tells me you admit they don't work.   

 

If I'm in your face for 25 minutes, yes it probably will help.  

 

If I'm going to Target.  Zero reason to have one on.  None.  

 

Outside at Disney world?  Zero reason.

 

I've eaten out at restaurants about 50 times since April.  You walk in with a mask.  Then the mask is off the entire meal and hour or so you're there.  

 

But I need one to get in to a Walmart and everywhere else?  No that's not how people are getting it.  

 

They are telling you and have been since the beginning the greatest risk for transmission is the home.  Why?  Because you should be in a mask?  No.  Its because its dam near impossible to not touch what everyone else touches.  

[TBBills]

5 hours ago, TBBills said:

@dhg

You so dumb

https://vitals.lifehacker.com/we-need-to-talk-about-that-danish-masks-dont-work-study-1845716261

 

Told you idiots that right wing nutbag ***** won't fly here anymore.

 

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Nope you missed the point entirely.  

 

I said they should not be mandated if you wanted compliance.  

 

And I literally said it is not the barrier you think it is based on the numbers now.  I even said earlier today that back in March I was fine with masks but we need to be full open.  I guess bc you dont want to be full open with masks tells me you admit they don't work.   

 

If I'm in your face for 25 minutes, yes it probably will help.  

 

If I'm going to Target.  Zero reason to have one on.  None.  

 

Outside at Disney world?  Zero reason.

 

I've eaten out at restaurants about 50 times since April.  You walk in with a mask.  Then the mask is off the entire meal and hour or so you're there.  

 

But I need one to get in to a Walmart and everywhere else?  No that's not how people are getting it.  

 

They are telling you and have been since the beginning the greatest risk for transmission is the home.  Why?  Because you should be in a mask?  No.  Its because its dam near impossible to not touch what everyone else touches.  

 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Nope you missed the point entirely.  

 

I said they should not be mandated if you wanted compliance.  

 

And I literally said it is not the barrier you think it is based on the numbers now.  I even said earlier today that back in March I was fine with masks but we need to be full open.  I guess bc you dont want to be full open with masks tells me you admit they don't work.   

 

If I'm in your face for 25 minutes, yes it probably will help.  

 

If I'm going to Target.  Zero reason to have one on.  None.  

 

Outside at Disney world?  Zero reason.

 

I've eaten out at restaurants about 50 times since April.  You walk in with a mask.  Then the mask is off the entire meal and hour or so you're there.  

 

But I need one to get in to a Walmart and everywhere else?  No that's not how people are getting it.  

 

They are telling you and have been since the beginning the greatest risk for transmission is the home.  Why?  Because you should be in a mask?  No.  Its because its dam near impossible to not touch what everyone else touches.  

I agree with everything you said but I fail to see how wearing a mask could make things worse.  It's like a multivitamin.

[shoshin]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree with everything you said but I fail to see how wearing a mask could make things worse.  It's like a multivitamin.

And touching surfaces is not a high risk for Covid. 
 

The most compelling case for non N95 masks remains transmission not protection. 

[SoCal Deek]

I’ll bring this up...again. We’ve been wearing masks in California for SIX MONTHS. What changed? I honestly believe there’s something more to this whole thing. It simply isn’t as simple as this juvenile mask debate.