The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[daz28]

It's important to remember that the 1918 flu mutated from one in March that made you feel like regular flu to one that killed you within 24 hours after your first sneeze by September.  Soldiers returning home spread it globally.  That's why we have to remain wary(or panicky as you call it)

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November

Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive

 

The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020

 

Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline.

The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november

 

 

 

[Reality Check]

Just now, daz28 said:

It's important to remember that the 1918 flu mutated from one in March that made you feel like regular flu to one that killed you within 24 hours after your first sneeze by September.  Soldiers returning home spread it globally.  That's why we have to remain wary(or panicky as you call it)

"We" do not have to remain wary. Learn about what is best to cultivate your own immune system, crack open a book or two on virology, and you will feel much better about the future, while being less inclined to follow dubious narratives based on fear and uncertainty. Chronic inflammation caused by a poor lifestyle is public enemy number one in terms of national health.

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The utter lack of information in this country is absolutely stunning. After MILLIONS of cases and 200,000 deaths you’d think we’d know whether there’s any correlation between mask wearing and the virus. But no, everything’s political. How hard is it to find out what the common denominator is of those in the hospital? It’s not hard at all. They just won’t tell you.

There is abundant data, both experimental and epidemiologic, indicating that mask wearing helps prevent spread of virus by holding down spread of droplets and aerosols.  The data is irrefutable, yet people refuse to accept it because this has turned into a dumb political thing instead of what it is, a public health crisis.  

Edited October 16, 2020 by oldmanfan

[spartacus]

22 minutes ago, daz28 said:

If by panic you mean take precautions, then they actually are good for your health, and I surely will

do your precautions include taking Vit C, Vit D and zinc?

 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November

Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive

 

The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020

 

Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline.

The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november

 

 

 

Neat.  Just in time for the opening bell on Friday after Trump said he would make Republicans vote for a big stimulus.  

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November

Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive

 

The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020

 

Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline.

The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november

 

 

 

Let's hope they're on solid footing.  There have been a couple cases now where Phase 3 trials have had to be stopped for detection of illnesses.

3 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

"We" do not have to remain wary. Learn about what is best to cultivate your own immune system, crack open a book or two on virology, and you will feel much better about the future, while being less inclined to follow dubious narratives based on fear and uncertainty. Chronic inflammation caused by a poor lifestyle is public enemy number one in terms of national health.

We should all do a better job with our general health.  That would be a great thing to work on for the future, but in the present we have a viral pandemic that requires all of to work cooperatively to eradicate.

[daz28]

3 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

"We" do not have to remain wary. Learn about what is best to cultivate your own immune system, crack open a book or two on virology, and you will feel much better about the future, while being less inclined to follow dubious narratives based on fear and uncertainty. Chronic inflammation caused by a poor lifestyle is public enemy number one in terms of national health.

That is a personal choice.  In America were allowed to give ourselves chronic inflammation.  On the other hand negligence is criminal.  Btw, I have a health care background, and have taken classes/labs.  

[spartacus]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

There is abundant data, both experimentaltal and epidemiologic, indicating that mask wearing helps prevent spread of virus by holding down spread of droplets and aerosols.  The data is irrefutable, yet people refuse to accept it because this has turned into a dumb political thing instead of what it is, a public health crisis.  

cool - you used big words

 

However, According to the laws of physics (which have not been suspended during this pandemic), it is impossible for aerosol particles of .27 micron to be blocked by even N-95 masks with .5 micron holes.

 

Every breathe taken through a mask frees whatever virus was attached to a droplet and turns it into a floating aerosol , freed to venture the world 

[daz28]

Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Come on, man.  Kamala says if Donnie likes it, she won't take it.  Get with the program.  You have to doubt it until Jan 22nd -ish.

I agree.  The vaccine has become politicized and economized.  Now when it comes time to get it, no one will trust it.  Brilliant.  I know I won't be the first one to take it.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, spartacus said:

cool - you used big words

 

However, According to the laws of physics (which have not been suspended during this pandemic), it is impossible for aerosol particles of .27 micron to be blocked by even N-95 masks with .5 micron holes.

 

Every breathe taken through a mask frees whatever virus was attached to a droplet and turns it into a floating aerosol , freed to venture the world 

here's another big word.  Mitigate.  Masks are not 100% effective and no one has said they are.  But they are a part of a strategy to mitigate spread.

[daz28]

6 minutes ago, spartacus said:

do your precautions include taking Vit C, Vit D and zinc?

 

I've always taken supplements, even though I'm relatively healthy

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, spartacus said:

do your precautions include taking Vit C, Vit D and zinc?

 

I take zinc myself.  Evidence suggests zinc has antiviral properties. 

[shoshin]

9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

Pfizer may apply for emergency use of COVID-19 vaccine by late November

Application with FDA would come if trial data, due this month, is positive

 

The Wall Street Journal-Oct 16 2020

 

Pfizer Inc. said it could be ready to apply for emergency-use authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine by late November, assuming it receives positive efficacy and safety data from late-stage human trials, the first time it or any other leading Western vaccine developer provided such a specific timeline.

The drug giant, which is developing its vaccine candidate with German partner BioNTech SE, said it continues to expect to have data on the vaccine's effectiveness -- whether it protects at least a majority of vaccinated people from the disease -- later this month. It then expects to have data on the drug's safety by the third week of November.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pfizer-emergency-use-covid-19-vaccine-late-november

 

 

 

 

My wife will be one of the first people as an HCW with lots of contact. I wonder how long from approval to injection. 

3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I know I won't be the first one to take it.

 

Really? I'm fine taking it early but I'm healthy and happy to defer to those at risk, HCWs, and anyone just afraid. 

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

That is a personal choice.  In America were allowed to give ourselves chronic inflammation.  On the other hand negligence is criminal.  Btw, I have a health care background, and have taken classes/labs.  

I applaud your right to harm yourself. I however, am under no obligation to change my activities to support your self destructive tendencies. The argument that you can sabotage yourself while I am obligated to wear a mask around you to protect your false sense of security is pretty funny. 

[SDS]

4 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Come on, man.  Kamala says if Donnie likes it, she won't take it.  Get with the program.  You have to doubt it until Jan 22nd -ish.

she said plainly that she would not take a vaccine on his word alone, and that she would trust the experts when the time came.

[spartacus]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I take zinc myself.  Evidence suggests zinc has antiviral properties. 

if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves

why promote fear porn

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, spartacus said:

cool - you used big words

 

However, According to the laws of physics (which have not been suspended during this pandemic), it is impossible for aerosol particles of .27 micron to be blocked by even N-95 masks with .5 micron holes.

 

Every breathe taken through a mask frees whatever virus was attached to a droplet and turns it into a floating aerosol , freed to venture the world 

So you're saying that entering a room that a person with the flu is in gives me the same chance of getting sick as if they coughed and sneezed directly on my face?  

[Reality Check]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Let's hope they're on solid footing.  There have been a couple cases now where Phase 3 trials have had to be stopped for detection of illnesses.

We should all do a better job with our general health.  That would be a great thing to work on for the future, but in the present we have a viral pandemic that requires all of to work cooperatively to eradicate.

False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment.

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

 

Really? I'm fine taking it early but I'm healthy and happy to defer to those at risk, HCWs, and anyone just afraid. 

I want them to take the time to do it properly.  I'll maintain other measures until I feel it's safe

6 minutes ago, spartacus said:

if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves

why promote fear porn

I googled zinc Coronavirus and got 25 million results, so it's not like anyone's hiding it, but I agree they could promote it more.  Unlike drugs like hydroxy it really can't hurt you

[SDS]

6 minutes ago, spartacus said:

if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves

why promote fear porn

if you are speaking about COVID-19 it is because research and analysis takes time. If you’re talking about taking zinc in general, zinc lozenges have been promoted for many years.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment.

Yeah, and they didn't, so get over it.  The way to eradicate this virus right now is to deprive the virus of a host.  The way you try to do that in the absence of a vaccine is to keep the virus from spreading, and the way you do that is with good hand washing, distancing, and masks.  I am not arguing that we should not all try to keep healthy immune systems, diets and such but the horse is out of the barn right now.

[daz28]

5 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment.

I 100% agree with this, but people expect a magic pill to solve all their problems.  The Spanish flu got eradicated.

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, spartacus said:

if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves

why promote fear porn

I don't know why about zinc; in general it has anti-viral properties but by itself likely will not curtail this epidemic.  And drop the fear porn stuff, this is a highly contagious virus that has affected and killed millions across the globe.

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Yeah, and they didn't, so get over it.  The way to eradicate this virus right now is to deprive the virus of a host.  The way you try to do that in the absence of a vaccine is to keep the virus from spreading, and the way you do that is with good hand washing, distancing, and masks.  I am not arguing that we should not all try to keep healthy immune systems, diets and such but the horse is out of the barn right now.

From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop  this?

[oldmanfan]

Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said:

You'll be happy with the proposed 2-3 month Biden lockdown come January - March.

What Biden has said is that he will listen to the experts. What the experts have said is that if we all do our part and wear masks, wash our hands, distance when we can we can help prevent spread and actually allow things to open up more.  

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

What Biden has said is that he will listen to the experts. What the experts have said is that if we all do our part and wear masks, wash our hands, distance when we can we can help prevent spread and actually allow things to open up more.  

Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations?

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Reality Check said:

From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop  this?

From a national standpoint?  Tell everyone to wear a mask.  Why would that be hard to do from a national standpoint?  tell everyone to wash their hands often.  How is that hard to accomplish from a national standpoint?  Tell everyone to distance when it is possible to do so.  Why is that hard to do from a national standpoint?

 

I get the effect on the economy and such.  My daughter is an actor and her field has been really hit hard by this.   But in my community businesses are open, churches are allowing folks in again.  They just need to do those three things.  Here's my question:  why be so damn stubborn?

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Reality Check said:

Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations?

How about people at the CDC?  How about folks like Dr. Fauci who is the world authority of infectious disease?  How about experts in epidemiology and other infection disease and public health experts who have spent their professional lives dedicated to figuring these things out?

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop  this?

He said good hand washing, distancing, and masks.  How does that cause damage.  Serious question, why does the workplace not want you to come to work when you're sick?  It's so you don't infect the whole workplace.  It's called mitigation, and people have been doing it for a long time.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said:

 

Basically what we've been doing then. So no reason to lock down ever again.

If we all do our part and help each other, then hopefully not.  But you see what's going on now, infection rates are climbing in many states.  Because people aren't listening.

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

From a national standpoint?  Tell everyone to wear a mask.  Why would that be hard to do from a national standpoint?  tell everyone to wash their hands often.  How is that hard to accomplish from a national standpoint?  Tell everyone to distance when it is possible to do so.  Why is that hard to do from a national standpoint?

 

I get the effect on the economy and such.  My daughter is an actor and her field has been really hit hard by this.   But in my community businesses are open, churches are allowing folks in again.  They just need to do those three things.  Here's my question:  why be so damn stubborn?

I can ask you why you are so stubborn, but I won't. Neither one of us is under any obligation to acquiesce to the other. That is the beauty of our Constitutional Republic. I'll disengage with you if you want to stop talking about it with me. We are free men after all.

[spartacus]

21 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

here's another big word.  Mitigate.  Masks are not 100% effective and no one has said they are.  But they are a part of a strategy to mitigate spread.

they don't mitigate anything

they enhance the spread by freeing droplet bound virus particles to travel farther

[daz28]

6 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Yet the all cause mortality has not risen for 2020.  Running at the same rate as years past.

I have no clue what this even implies??  So no one died of Covid.  It really is a hoax?  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, spartacus said:

they don't mitigate anything

they enhance the spread by freeing droplet bound virus particles to travel farther

Every competent scientists says you are wrong.

[Reality Check]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

How about people at the CDC?  How about folks like Dr. Fauci who is the world authority of infectious disease?  How about experts in epidemiology and other infection disease and public health experts who have spent their professional lives dedicated to figuring these things out?

That's one name, Fauci. Who else? Your faith in bureaucracies composed of billions of dollars in profit motives for its "experts" might be misplaced.

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I have no clue what this even implies??  So no one died of Covid.  It really is a hoax?  

Try thinking about what he posted for a little while. You can't call it a pandemic when average total annual deaths haven't been affected.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

I can ask you why you are so stubborn, but I won't. Neither one of us is under any obligation to acquiesce to the other. That is the beauty of our Constitutional Republic. I'll disengage with you if you want to stop talking about it with me. We are free men after all.

My opinions are based on the science.  If there is anything worse than the deaths that have occurred from Covid and the economic impact, it is that the pandemic has shown us that we have a society that increasingly refuses to accept things like data and fact and science.  That may be more dangerous than anything for the long term.

 

We are free men.  I express my freedom by doing what I can to help make sure my neighbor doesn't get this disease.  What are you doing? 

[daz28]

8 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations?

I think it would be easier to list all the doctors who believe mitigation measure don't work.  Plus they're easy to find, because they all live in Alabama, and they think Jesus is gonna solve it.  

[Reality Check]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

My opinions are based on the science.  If there is anything worse than the deaths that have occurred from Covid and the economic impact, it is that the pandemic has shown us that we have a society that increasingly refuses to accept things like data and fact and science.  That may be more dangerous than anything for the long term.

 

We are free men.  I express my freedom by doing what I can to help make sure my neighbor doesn't get this disease.  What are you doing? 

Your opinions are not based on the science. They are based on the opinions of scientists. A handful of scientists I might add who have a profit motive. You yourself haven't seem to attempted to quantify the situation independently for yourself.