GG Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Going by Mayo Clinic's estimate that for Covid 19 70% of the population needs to have been infected to reach it That 70% figure is part of the panic porn, because they represent it as the number of people who were infected by the virus, as opposed to the number of people who have been exposed to the virus. There is a good number of people who may be naturally resistant to the virus in the first place, which is proven by less than 100% infection rates of immediate family members. So if you look at the recent estimates that up to 30% of people in highly infected areas had the virus, and apply a similar percentage to people who were exposed, but didn't contract it (ie almost everyone under 20), then you can easily get to 60% exposure to the virus in the last 6 months. The anecdotal evidence proves it by the almost complete elimination of the spread in regions that got hard hit in Feb - April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Going by Mayo Clinic's estimate that for Covid 19 70% of the population needs to have been infected to reach it Good start. What percentage of the population has been infected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 37 minutes ago, B-Man said: How Many COVID Deaths Are There, Really? by John Hinderaker Original Article Currently the Centers for Disease Control says there have been 121,809 COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. Most people, seeing that figure or reading newspaper headlines about Wuhan virus deaths, assume that means that in 121,809 cases, COVID-19 has been the cause of death. But that isn’t true at all. This Issues & Insights editorial does a good job of bringing together some of the relevant data. But let’s start with something they didn’t mention: this acknowledgement by the Director of the Illinois Department of Public Health: I just want to be clear in terms of the definition of people dying of COVID. MORE AT THE LINK: Well, as some of us around here have pointed out, dying WITH and dying OF are not the same thing. Of course, this type of story will never see the national spotlight, because it goes against the narrative that idiots like King Andrew are our saviors in 'this troubled/trying time'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, GG said: That 70% figure is part of the panic porn, because they represent it as the number of people who were infected by the virus, as opposed to the number of people who have been exposed to the virus. There is a good number of people who may be naturally resistant to the virus in the first place, which is proven by less than 100% infection rates of immediate family members. So if you look at the recent estimates that up to 30% of people in highly infected areas had the virus, and apply a similar percentage to people who were exposed, but didn't contract it (ie almost everyone under 20), then you can easily get to 60% exposure to the virus in the last 6 months. The anecdotal evidence proves it by the almost complete elimination of the spread in regions that got hard hit in Feb - April. You are more reliable than Mayo Clinic - no doubt about it. Thanks for controlling the panic porn. 5Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said: You are more reliable than Mayo Clinic - no doubt about it. Thanks for controlling the panic porn. Then why are they conflating infections with exposure? 1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said: 5Genius Get your Jergens ready Quote Trump administration officials have talked about inserting the federal government deep into the private sector to stiffen global competition against Chinese telecom giant Huawei Technologies Co. .. Other proposals would support “open” network technology that would make it easier for U.S. startups to develop new technology for 5G equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, GG said: The anecdotal evidence proves it We'll see 5G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, Warren Zevon said: We'll see 5G Still waiting for the Hasid funeral apocalypse. Any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Image this: A pandemic the worst in a lifetime Millions are infected Thousands will die. And Trump makes moves to take away citizens’ healthcare? Welcome to reality under Donald J Trump. Obamacare Must 'Fall,' Trump Administration Tells Supreme Court And where is TrumpCare? It was ready to go day one 3.5 years ago? Trump made promises and Americans died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Just now, BillStime said: Image this: A pandemic the worst in a lifetime Millions are infected Thousands will die. And Trump makes moves to take away citizens’ healthcare? Welcome to reality under Donald J Trump. Obamacare Must 'Fall,' Trump Administration Tells Supreme Court And where is TrumpCare? It was ready to go day one 3.5 years ago? Trump made promises and Americans died. Who was mostly responsible for the largest number of deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: More on schools. @Gene Frenkle is going to need to conduct his own testing to believe these stories. And so much for That ridiculous hypothesis that was promoted earlier. Except the red counties did much better from the get go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump made promises and Americans died. What does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Magox said: @Gene Frenkle is going to need to conduct his own testing to believe these stories. I posted in the national open up thread that Fairfax VA schools are not opening in the fall (2 days max IF you choose that), and today CT said it will be opening schools, NJ is close to a decision (which sounded like yes to reopening). That is helpful. Not only will schools reopening help businesses get back to normal, but if kids are not carriers (which I find hard to believe, but the data that has come out seems to support that they are not super spreaders/getters) they will be fine. The teachers will get it, and help spread it, helping us reach herd immunity. Now, if I am a 60 year-old+ teacher or school administrator with some other health issue? I might seriously consider retiring. But otherwise? I think schools opening go a long, long way to normalcy and economic recovery. Edited June 26, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Crazy how ***** @Warren Zevon & @BillStime are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, meazza said: Crazy how ***** @Warren Zevon & @BillStime are. Don't forget the Mayo Clinic in this fantastic analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 ? ? ? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Why is this ok? Where is the outrage? Trump and his buddies are in it for themselves - and we are reminded everyday. A Company Run by a White House “Volunteer” With No Experience in Medical Supplies Got $2.4 Million From the Feds for Medical Supplies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Don't forget the Mayo Clinic in this fantastic analysis. What he's saying is correct. Every area that was hit hard is no longer having cases. Same thing here in Montreal where areas that were originally badly hit are no longer hot spots. There are also numerous studies showing that a significant percentage of the population is not even susceptible to the virus which decreases the required herd immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Don't forget the Mayo Clinic in this fantastic analysis. Why aren't they differentiating exposure and infections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, meazza said: What he's saying is correct. Every area that was hit hard is no longer having cases. 2 minutes ago, GG said: Why aren't they differentiating exposure and infections? You tell me 5G. Are you sure they're not differentiating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: Why aren't they differentiating exposure and infections? I'm getting tested for antibodies tomorrow (first draw was bad). Are you saying if I test positive for antibodies I'll be a 'new case'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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