The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[SectionC3]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

Given that it was a funeral of a Rabbi who died of Covid-19, living in a community largely ignoring the shutdown rules and already suffering disproportionately because of it,  more cases are all but guaranteed. 

 

One more clue in the mystery of why deBlasio was (rightfully) so upset by the gathering.  He wasn't advocating "rounding" anyone "up," as at least one person ineloquently suggested yesterday.  He rightfully was trying to protect that community and its neighbors.  

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

According to the CDC website there have a total of FOUR Covid deaths of any K12 aged student anywhere in America and yet we closed every school in the country. Yes....that’s right....FOUR! 

 

It's not 4 but it's still very few. (From CDC website)

 

[Kemp]

36 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Not my discussion, but to be perfectly frank, the idea you that you find him being obtuse makes his point.

 

So, you spell it out, please.

[GG]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

One more clue in the mystery of why deBlasio was (rightfully) so upset by the gathering.  He wasn't advocating "rounding" anyone "up," as at least one person ineloquently suggested yesterday.  He rightfully was trying to protect that community and its neighbors.  

 

Then he should have directed his ire to his own police department and community affairs unit, which helped with the organization of the funeral

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Then you probably shouldn't be offering opinions on something you don't pay attention to, right?

 

That would seem logical, until you look deeper into what the data has shown in the last 2 weeks.

 

Once again your scolding seems to be biased along certain divides.  Perhaps it is you have a bacon bias; was it that I was scolded because I do not consume bacon, but others who partake in the delicacy have escaped your asperity?  

[Magox]

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Why do you think death of students is the important factor??

 

We had a cluster of 5 pre-K teachers who became ill, teaching young children who had just returned from family ski vacation in N  Italy

 

The classic concern with schools as an "infection amplifyer" is not that so many of the students become seriously ill

 

It is they carry the infection and infect the staff and teachers who become more seriously ill.  It is that they infect each other, and then the newly infected children take the infection home to their parents, who pass it along.  This is especially a problem with a disease where children appear to become asymptomatically or mildly symptomatically ill - you can't prevent it by asking parents to keep feverish children home, for example, because the children may not be feverish.  They may not have any symptoms at all.

 

You can't address that effect by counting numbers of covid-19 deaths in young children

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't be so sure.

 

 

 

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‘Very limited’ spread

 

On Sunday, New South Wales Health’s Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS) published its findings after researchers followed up all close contacts of Covid-19 across 10 of the state’s high schools and five primary schools. Researchers collected Covid-19 test data from all 863 close contacts of the nine students and nine staff infected. They found it was likely, but not certain, that two students and no adults had been infected at school as a result of those infections.

“The findings from this detailed investigation are preliminary,” the study concluded. “However, they do suggest that spread of Covid-19 within NSW schools has been very limited [and] appears considerably less than seen for other respiratory viruses, such as influenza. In contrast to influenza, data from both virus and antibody testing to date suggest that children are not the primary drivers of Covid-19 spread in schools or in the community.”

Epidemiologist Dr Kathryn Snow, from the University of Melbourne’s Centre for International Child Health, said it was important to emphasise there is a difference between a child’s likelihood of catching the virus themselves and their likelihood of passing the virus on to others. Evidence showed children were less likely to pass it on than adults but that did not mean scientists were saying children could not become infected.

“Many parents and teachers are finding the debate about schools confusing and stressful,” Snow said. “The evidence shows that although primary school aged children can catch Covid-19, they usually only experience a mild illness. Interestingly, although primary school aged children can definitely catch it, it seems that they almost never pass the virus on to anybody else.

 

“This will be counter-intuitive to a lot of parents, who know that children often bring home other germs from school. However, we see this same phenomenon with other diseases as well, for example with tuberculosis.”

She added that transmission from children is only one piece of the puzzle in terms of whether schools should be open.

“There is also a risk of transmission between teachers and parents, and from teachers to students. Some teachers are in their 60s and could be at risk of a serious illness if they were to catch Covid at work. Globally, there have been some outbreaks among parents, teachers, and students linked to schools and school functions.”

 

 

 

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Researchers led by London’s University College undertook a systematic review of the effectiveness of Covid-19 related school closures globally, with their findings to be published in the May edition of the international medical journal the Lancet. The researchers examined data from nine published studies and seven non-peer-reviewed studies on school closures and Covid-19. Only one study the researchers reviewed examined school closures as a separate intervention to other measures, finding the impact of closing schools on transmission rates was marginal.

“There are few data available from the literature on coronavirus outbreaks to guide countries on the use of school closures or other school social distancing practices during the Covid-19 pandemic,” the researchers concluded.

“Available evidence is consistent with a broad range of impacts of school closures, from little effect on reducing transmission through to more substantial effects. Yet, the economic costs and potential harms of school closure are undoubtedly very high.”

 

 

 

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A paediatric infectious diseases specialist with Perth Children’s Hospital, Dr Asha Bowen, said there was good evidence that children and adolescents have a lower rate of infection with Covid-19 than adults, and when infected, had a milder course of symptoms. She said the study of NSW schools supported this.

“The transmission patterns are on the whole from adult to child within household studies (90% of cases), confirming that children are more likely to be infected by an adult than another child,” Bowen said. “The health evidence supports children and adolescents being back in schools with reopening of schools occurring in term 2 in Australia.”

Epidemiologist and infectious disease physician with Alfred Health and Central Clinical School, Dr Allen Cheng, said the evidence so far suggested schools should be reopened, but with some important caveats.

 

 

 

If indeed this is the case, which appears probable, then having kids go back to school makes perfect sense.

[GG]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

Once again your scolding seems to be biased along certain divides.  Perhaps it is you have a bacon bias; was it that I was scolded because I do not consume bacon, but others who partake in the delicacy have escaped your asperity?  

 

My scolding is reserved to lazy and intellectually dishonest people who populate this board.  In the last 4 years, that's been almost the exclusive domain of the prog fascists.

[Franco_92]

1 hour ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

He's probably not into blatant racism and stupidity.

Raycizm?!?!

[B-Man]

 

 

COVID19 update, April 28, 2020: drug repurposing; perverse incentives; Neil Ferguson now sees further lockdowns as impractical.

 

 

 

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[Kemp]

16 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Unfortunately for your point, NYC provides statistics by zip code, and your speculation isn't supported by the actual data.

 

Try harder.

 

Just to be clear, is it your position that the virus will not cause more infections in crowds than in streets with no people? You seem to be implying that without saying it.

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Then he should have directed his ire to his own police department and community affairs unit, which helped with the organization of the funeral

 

Misleading.  That the NYPD and a community affairs organization or organizations knew of the event does not mean that those groups sanctioned the violation of social distancing rules.  

[Magox]

19 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Depends on your definition of peer reviewed.  The document referenced in the letter is a compilation of all the studies that have been published on the HCQ, azithromycin & zinc usage.   Their peer review was looking at the evidence presented in the studies, not that the results were replicated in a separate review. 

 

Also notable, they point out that the VA study that was widely reported last week is an outlier to the other reports & studies.  Their theory is that the VA patents were already too far gone for the drugs to be effective. 

 

That would seem to make sense.  That's how I viewed it when the VA report came out.   With that said, what's your thoughts?  In the overall scheme of things, the drug is helpful or not helpful to COVID patients.

[GG]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

Misleading.  That the NYPD and a community affairs organization or organizations knew of the event does not mean that those groups sanctioned the violation of social distancing rules.  

 

Then who put up the NYPD barricades and cordoned off 5 city blocks ahead of the event?

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

My scolding is reserved to lazy and intellectually dishonest people who populate this board.  In the last 4 years, that's been almost the exclusive domain of the prog fascists.

 

Who are the "prog facists?"  And what makes those people "lazy and intellectually dishonest?"  

 

Frankly, the bias in your scolding yesterday reflects an intellectual dishonesty on your part.  Keep it up and I may have to put you on the newly-created intellectually dishonest list.  

 

FYI - I checked with someone who has a handy copy of Strunk & White.  It looks like the proper construction in your prior comment was "reserved for," not "reserved to."  A little self-flagellation on your end may been order. 

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Then who put up the NYPD barricades and cordoned off 5 city blocks ahead of the event?

 

Still misleading.  The placement of barriers over "5 city blocks" does not mean that the NYPD sanctioned a gathering in excess of existing distancing guidelines and rules.  

 

More intellectual dishonesty like your prior comment could get you on that list. 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Who are the "prog facists?"  And what makes those people "lazy and intellectually dishonest?"  

 

Frankly, the bias in your scolding yesterday reflects an intellectual dishonesty on your part.  Keep it up and I may have to put you on the newly-created intellectually dishonest list.  

 

FYI - I checked with someone who has a handy copy of Strunk & White.  It looks like the proper construction in your prior comment was "reserved for," not "reserved to."  A little self-flagellation on your end may been order. 

 

Still misleading.  The placement of barriers over "5 city blocks" does not mean that the NYPD sanctioned a gathering in excess of existing distancing guidelines and rules.  

 

More intellectual dishonesty like your prior comment could get you on that list. 

 

NYPD doesn't put up barriers and block off 5 city blocks for a gathering of less than 50 people.   But you would know that if you weren't lazy to look up the details.

[SectionC3]

Just now, GG said:

 

NYPD doesn't put up barriers and block off 5 city blocks for a gathering of less than 50 people.   But you would know that if you weren't lazy to look up the details.

 

Link? 

[B-Man]

INSANITY: Wash. State Came One Vote Away From Releasing Green River Serial Killer So He Wouldn’t Get Wuhan Virus.

 

 

 

 

Nashville Mayor Cooper: ‘Enormous’ 32% tax hike needed to endure Covid-19 crisis.

Well, if you’re tired of too much growth and prosperity in Davidson County, this should fix that.

 

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

NYPD doesn't put up barriers and block off 5 city blocks for a gathering of less than 50 people.   But you would know that if you weren't lazy to look up the details.

 

Also, I think you meant "too lazy."  Just trying to be intellectually honest. 

Edited April 29, 2020 by SectionC3

[GG]

7 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Just to be clear, is it your position that the virus will not cause more infections in crowds than in streets with no people? You seem to be implying that without saying it.

 

Your position is that this community's rabbis have been irresponsible with respect to this crisis.  If that were the case, this community would continue to outpace the city's infection & death statistics.  Does it?

[Warren Zevon]

11 minutes ago, GG said:

the prog fascists.

 

If it talks like a DR clone odds are it is a DR clone

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

NYPD doesn't put up barriers and block off 5 city blocks for a gathering of less than 50 people.   But you would know that if you weren't lazy to look up the details.

 

The funeral home just announced that it was set up as a funeral with social distancing, but the crowd refused to respect it.

[SectionC3]

Just now, GG said:

 

Your position is that this community's rabbis have been irresponsible with respect to this crisis.  If that were the case, this community would continue to outpace the city's infection & death statistics.  Does it?

 

Stay on topic.  Where's the link to the relevant part of the NYPD policy and procedure guidelines? Don't get lazy on me.  You have time to respond to others, so surely there is time to defend your assertion that the erection of barriers over a five-block span provided implied consent for the Williamsburg gathering in question. 

[GG]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Link? 

 

Here's the last time I'm doing your homework, Sue

 

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Jewish community activist Isaac Abraham said the mayoral criticism rang hollow after large crowds congregated across the city earlier on Tuesday to watch the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds fly overhead.

“The crowd for the fighter jets today were around longer than the funeral,” Abraham said.

He also noted that the funeral was not a last-minute event that the city was unaware of.

Several NYPD precincts and their community affairs teams helped organize and control the event — setting up five blocks of barricades in advance to help with crowd control.

 

 

[Kemp]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Your position is that this community's rabbis have been irresponsible with respect to this crisis.  If that were the case, this community would continue to outpace the city's infection & death statistics.  Does it?

 

I long ago realized that people who answer a question with a question don't have or don't want to give an answer.

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Here's the last time I'm doing your homework, Sue

 

 

 

Tickety tockety goes the clockety.  You linked to a NY Post story.  That's not the NYPD P&P manual.  And the Post story does not support your implied consent theory.  

 

Be better.  I know you can.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your laziness and intellectual dishonesty here is aberrative. 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

Tickety tockety goes the clockety.  You linked to a NY Post story.  That's not the NYPD P&P manual.  And the Post story does not support your implied consent theory.  

 

Be better.  I know you can.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your laziness and intellectual dishonesty here is aberrative. 

 

I'm sure he unrolled a Twitter thread to gain his wisdom

[GG]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

I long ago realized that people who answer a question with a question don't have or don't want to give an answer.

 

I answered your question and asked a follow up. 

 

Here's how this forum works.  If you bring up a point, it's up to you to defend it.  So again, has the irresponsible behavior of the rabbis (your words) lead to outsized growth in these communities in the last 2 weeks?

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

The funeral home just announced that it was set up as a funeral with social distancing, but the crowd refused to respect it.

 

Yet another clue in the mystery of why deBlasio was (rightfully) furious with the gathering. 

[Gary M]

Kung Flu mortality rate still holding at  .0695624830322017% , that is world wide.

 

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Gary M

[Rob's House]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Who are the "prog facists?"  And what makes those people "lazy and intellectually dishonest?"  

 

They're a cult like group that seeks to forcibly impose their will on others for the purpose of curing social ills they believe are rampant in society despite a dearth of supporting evidence, and tend to rely upon sanctimonious indignation, emotional pleas, and misrepresentation in lieu of facts and reason.

 

They tend to view large, ever expanding government, with ever increasing control over individuals' private and economic affairs as a panacea, provided that government is presided over by politicians in the Democrat party, as they are pure, virtuous, and self-sacrificing, caring only for the well-being of their fellow man.

[GG]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Stay on topic.  Where's the link to the relevant part of the NYPD policy and procedure guidelines? Don't get lazy on me.  You have time to respond to others, so surely there is time to defend your assertion that the erection of barriers over a five-block span provided implied consent for the Williamsburg gathering in question. 

 

Here you go Sue.

[SectionC3]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I answered your question and asked a follow up. 

 

Here's how this forum works.  If you bring up a point, it's up to you to defend it.  So again, has the irresponsible behavior of the rabbis (your words) lead to outsized growth in these communities in the last 2 weeks?

 

Actually the forum works however its users decide that it works.  

 

In any event, you brought up a point about the NYPD providing implied consent for the Williamsburg gathering in question.  When asked to "defend" your "point," you responded with a link to a NY Post article that is not responsive to the issue.  

 

That leaves us in a couple of bad places.  First, it could be that you're "lazy" and "intellectually dishonest."  I'm working hard to give you a pass on that one. 

 

Second, based on insinuations in your prior comments, it also could be that you're a closeted version of the "prog facists" of whom you complain.  

 

Getting a pass on the latter point is going to be a little dicier for you.  It pains me to say it, but I think there's no other option than to put you on the "suspect 'prog facist' " list.

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Here you go Sue.

 

You are a lazy daisy today, GG.  Still no link to the NYPD P&P manual.  Could have been that you were talking out of your rear end before?

 

 

EDIT:  

 

This is from that Rob guy.  Looks like you might fit within his definition of "prog facist."  Sad!

 

"They're a cult like group that seeks to forcibly impose their will on others for the purpose of curing social ills they believe are rampant in society despite a dearth of supporting evidence, and tend to rely upon sanctimonious indignation, emotional pleas, and misrepresentation in lieu of facts and reason" (emphasis added). 

Edited April 29, 2020 by SectionC3

[GG]

5 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

I'm sure he unrolled a Twitter thread to gain his wisdom

 

How's your counter of Mueller indictments coming along?  Haven't seen too many guilty Flynn memes lately.

[Rob's House]

11 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

If it talks like a DR clone odds are it is a DR clone

 

I can assure you this is not the case.

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Rob's House said:

 

They're a cult like group that seeks to forcibly impose their will on others for the purpose of curing social ills they believe are rampant in society despite a dearth of supporting evidence, and tend to rely upon sanctimonious indignation, emotional pleas, and misrepresentation in lieu of facts and reason.

 

 

That's Cult 45

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

They're a cult like group that seeks to forcibly impose their will on others for the purpose of curing social ills they believe are rampant in society despite a dearth of supporting evidence, and tend to rely upon sanctimonious indignation, emotional pleas, and misrepresentation in lieu of facts and reason.

 

They tend to view large, ever expanding government, with ever increasing control over individuals' private and economic affairs as a panacea, provided that government is presided over by politicians in the Democrat party, as they are pure, virtuous, and self-sacrificing, caring only for the well-being of their fellow man.

I'll add that, due to the sheer quantity and specificity of the policies they wish to impose, they almost always conflict internally when examined as a whole.

Edited April 29, 2020 by BuffaloHokie13

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

He's probably not into blatant racism and stupidity.

The parrot has spoken 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

How's your counter of Mueller indictments coming along?  Haven't seen too many guilty Flynn memes lately.

 

No luck on the NYPD P&P manual, eh?

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

How's your counter of Mueller indictments coming along?  Haven't seen too many guilty Flynn memes lately.

 

Plenty of those in the Mueller threads but maybe the 5G is eating away at your brain.