The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

The first week or the first 10 weeks?

 

So, you have no clue? As we all suspected....

[jrober38]

13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

South Korea	51,000,000
Italy	60,000,000
Spain	46,000,000
France	65,000,000
Germany	83,000,000
UK	67,000,000

 

Yeah, I'm sure none of them would have liked to administer 2 million tests...

 

However, since you are such an expert on the topic. Please enlighten us on the logistics of manufacturing, distributing, and administering 2 million tests.

 

Please, we would all love to learn from you.

 

We'll wait

 

If you want to look at deaths per capita wouldn't it make sense to look at tests per capita?

 

Why would you focus on deaths per capita but then only focus on the raw number of tests needed?

 

The US has 4-8 times the resources and man power as any of those countries. You're not offering an apples to apples comparison. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, you have no clue? As we all suspected....

I'm excited to see the next thing you pivot to. This is like fish in a barrel.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Different crowd at the presser today. That's a lot of chest metals. I wonder if the press will behave?

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Different crowd at the presser today. That's a lot of chest metals. I wonder if the press will behave?

 

 

They're going to talk about the infected carrier I bet. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They're going to talk about the infected carrier I bet. 

He's already talking about drug cartels and what they are doing out west.

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

The US has 4-8 times the resources and man power as any of those countries. You're not offering an apples to apples comparison. 

 

So, you have no clue either?

 

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'm excited to see the next thing you pivot to.

 

Says the man who amazed us all with his intellectually stunning analysis of the UAE as a shining example of what the US could be.....

Edited April 1, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Buffalo_Gal]

Secretary of Defense: enhanced narcotic operations to combat the flow of drugs into the US.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Capco]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Sure, the United States should be prepared for testing of every disease and virus to come out of a Chinese wet market. Makes total sense to me.

 

We should, at the very least, be able to match the readiness and preparedness of countries with a fraction of the resources that the United States possesses.  

 

The fact that we are falling short in this regard lays squarely on the shoulders of this administration.  If this loser did in fact inherit a broken system, then he had 3+ years to fix it but chose not to.  

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Some people aren't going to like this....

[John in Jax]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Different crowd at the presser today. That's a lot of chest metals. I wonder if the press will behave?

 

CNN doesn't take this live anymore? Wow. Just reaffirms their total bias, and reaffirms them as an arm of the Democratic party. Do you think if Obama was in office, that they wouldn't be taking his pressers live? They are denying their viewers, albeit a small number, vital information.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

We should, at the very least, be able to match the readiness and preparedness of countries with a fraction of the resources that the United States possesses.  

 

The fact that we are falling short in this regard lays squarely on the shoulders of this administration.  If this loser did in fact inherit a broken system, then he had 3+ years to fix it but chose not to.  

 

It's funny how the least informed posters out there (of which Capco has proven time and time again to be one) have no understanding of federalism and how our system is supposed to operate. 

 

It's almost as if they've been under-educated about how our republic intentionally for years. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

Gen Milley may want to layoff the caffeine. Although, you  tell him that, not me.

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, you have no clue either?

 

 

Says the man who amazed us all with his intellectually stunning analysis of the UAE as a shining example of what the US could be.....

If you think big pharma can't produce an existing test for a disease, you should probably short all of their stock.

Edited April 1, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Capco]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's funny how the least informed posters out there (of which Capco has proven time and time again to be one) have no understanding of federalism and how our system is supposed to operate. 

 

It's almost as if they've been under-educated about how our republic intentionally for years. 

 

So the system falls short when put to the test in times of crises?  Sounds like a great system.  The best out there, in fact.  

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Gen Milley may want to layoff the caffeine. Although, you  tell him that, not me.

 

That delivery style is why soldiers I know react this way to Milley pretty much 24/7: 

 

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

So the system falls short when put to the test in times of crises?  Sounds like a great system.  The best out there, in fact.  

 

Local>>>>State>>>Federal

 

That's the order of importance to your day-to-day life, especially in times of crisis. It's not the inverse, no matter how much prog-fascists like you wish it were. 

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If you think big pharma can't produce an existing test for a disease, you should probably short all of their stock.

 

If you think they can do it overnight at the drop of a hat -- with the regulations they operate under -- then you're more uninformed than I have you credit for. 

 

(for those not watching)

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

If you think big pharma can't produce an existing test for a disease, you should probably short all of their stock.

 

Actually, I do think they can. I think they have produced tests, are producing tests, and will continue producing tests. We just differ on what we believe in terms of what could have/should have been done and when.

 

Well, just a few of the many things we disagree on 

[B-Man]

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by B-Man

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

If you think they can do it overnight at the drop of a hat -- with the regulations they operate under -- then you're more uninformed than I have you credit for. 

I really hope a hard look is taken at the obamacare taxes (which made things like ventilators economically difficult to make here), as well as the regulations that are needlessly in place that prevent American ingenuity to shine. The last few weeks have reminded me of my youth when people were inventing things, producing things, and America generally was the place to be if you wanted to invent and manufacturer.

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That delivery style is why soldiers I know react this way to Milley pretty much 24/7: 

 

 

Local>>>>State>>>Federal

 

That's the order of importance to your day-to-day life, especially in times of crisis. It's not the inverse, no matter how much prog-fascists like you wish it were. 

 

If you think they can do it overnight at the drop of a hat -- with the regulations they operate under -- then you're more uninformed than I have you credit for. 

Whatever regulations you think there are can be dropped or reduced as many have during all of this. Again, Germany already did it. All we had to do was follow their lead.

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

I really hope a hard look is taken at the obamacare taxes (which made things like ventilators economically difficult to make here), as well as the regulations that are needlessly in place that prevent American ingenuity to shine. The last few weeks have reminded me of my youth when people were inventing things, producing things, and America generally was the place to be if you wanted to invent and manufacturer.

Germany has no problem with state run healthcare. They still have private big pharma companies like Bayer that did what we couldn't. Another shining example of America #1.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Whatever regulations you think there are can be dropped or reduced as many have during all of this. Again, Germany already did it. All we had to do was follow their lead.

 

What has Trump been doing since February? Cutting these regulations. As fast as possible. 

 

Again, you're living in delusional world where things happen immediately. That's not reality. Especially in a country this big, and with such a bloated, overbearing federal government. 

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Germany has no problem with state run healthcare. 

 

      

 

(that's not enough)

 

     

[Buffalo_Gal]

Chatting about the China numbers being hooey ("we really don't know")

[Capco]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That delivery style is why soldiers I know react this way to Milley pretty much 24/7: 

 

 

Local>>>>State>>>Federal

 

That's the order of importance to your day-to-day life, especially in times of crisis. It's not the inverse, no matter how much prog-fascists like you wish it were. 

 

So when ***** hits the fan, the federal government is the least accountable and important?  HAHAHAHAHAHA.  And you think you're informed?!

 

Thank God you are not a person who makes important decisions for the well-being of others.  There are numerous historical examples which show the exact opposite trend, but unfortunately you've proven that a 3rd grader could put your handle on history to shame.  

 

Good grief.  Look up the Articles of Confederation sometime and tell me how the focus on states/locales plus a lack of a strong central government helped that system "thrive", especially in times of crisis.  The role of the federal government goes hand in hand with times of crises, and the Founders were aware of that when they drafted the Constitution after seeing how ineffective the previous government was.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

Trump, the master of the understatement (never thought I'd say that)... "we've had a little bit of a hurdle the last few months" when talking about trade with China...

[B-Man]

Coronavirus Doesn’t Slow Trump’s Regulatory Rollbacks

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/climate/coronavirus-environmental-regulations-trump.html

 

 

 

Trump administration loosens telehealth regulations to combat ...

 

 

 

Trump Administration Makes Sweeping Regulatory Changes to Help U.S. Healthcare System Address COVID-19 Patient Surge

https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/trump-administration-makes-sweeping-regulatory-changes-help-us-healthcare-system-address-covid-19

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

So when ***** hits the fan, the federal government is the least accountable and important?  HAHAHAHAHAHA.  And you think you're informed?!

 

That's not what I said, but dishonest people who have no argument to make, do things like this. 

 

You should care more about local and state officials than you do federal. Yet our media culture inverts that paradigm. That's why people like you, who are very uninformed about the basic fundamentals of how this country is supposed to work, are so lost in times of stress. 

[Capco]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

You should care more about local and state officials than you do federal. Yet our media culture inverts that paradigm. That's why people like you, who are very uninformed about the basic fundamentals of how this country is supposed to work, are so lost in times of stress. 

Good point!  After all, I see you posting about your own state and local officials all the time! 

 

In fact it's miraculous how little attention you give to the national narrative or the POTUS.  Simply astounding.  

[Deranged Rhino]

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MSNBC gonna MSNBC. 

Just now, Capco said:

Good point!  After all, I see you posting about your own state and local officials all the time! 

 

In fact it's miraculous how little attention you give to the national narrative or the POTUS.  Simply astounding.  

 

I'm very active locally in politics, and at the state level. 

 

Keep making yourself look silly. You're really doing good work here  

 

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[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's not what I said, but dishonest people who have no argument to make, do things like this. 

 

You should care more about local and state officials than you do federal. Yet our media culture inverts that paradigm. That's why people like you, who are very uninformed about the basic fundamentals of how this country is supposed to work, are so lost in times of stress. 

Our state and especially local government are largely toothless. It's a mayor's job to make sure people get paid and the bike lanes go in the right spot. It's not their job to manage a crisis. The federal government soaks up all the cash and thus has all the power.

Edited April 1, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Our state and especially local government are largely toothless. It's a mayor's job to make sure people get paid and the bike lanes go in the right spot. It's not their job to manage a crisis.

 

How did they get that way? What's the cause? Is it turning our backs on the entire premise of our republic over multiple decades throughout multiple administrations? Or did it all go to shite when Trump was sworn in? Honest answer only, please.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

How did they get that way? What's the cause? Is it turning our backs on the entire premise of our republic over multiple decades throughout multiple administrations? Or did it all go to shite when Trump was sworn in? Honest answer only, please.

Who cares? It is that way, has been as long as I've been alive, and that's the reality I live in, not the one you think should be.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Who cares? It is that way, has been as long as I've been alive, and that's the reality I live in, not the one you think should be.

 

Yet -- you're not talking about reality in any of your posts. You're instead holding people to account for not operating as if the world were perfect when you admit here it is not. Why do you do this? Because you're making a dishonest argument.

 

 

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Edited April 1, 2020 by Deranged Rhino
phone typo

[Capco]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

Is it turning our backs on the entire premise of our republic over multiple decades throughout multiple administrations?

 

This is an excellent example of where you find grains of truth and latch on to them in an effort to perpetuate your conspiracy theories.  

 

Has the trend of the legislative branch (the direct representation of the people in a federal republic) been to delegate their powers to the executive, since at least WWII and arguably before?  Yes.  That's a scholarly position to take and it's well supported with examples.  

 

Does that mean that there's a small group of men behind the curtain who have great control over our lives that tried to prevent/coup Trump before he could start reigning them in?  It's nuts dude.  

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Milley's comments: 

 

[B-Man]

I'm fine with the "Wuhan Health Organization" so they don't have to change the letterhead.

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

This is an excellent example of where you find grains of truth and latch on to them in an effort to perpetuate your conspiracy theories.  

 

Has the trend of the legislative branch (the direct representation of the people in a federal republic) been to delegate their powers to the executive, since at least WWII and arguably before?  Yes.  That's a scholarly position to take and it's well supported with examples.  

 

Does that mean that there's a small group of men behind the curtain who have great control over our lives that tried to prevent/coup Trump before he could start reigning them in?  It's nuts dude.  

 

And this is an excellent example of how dishonest of an asshat you truly are. The bolded was never said or implied in anything I wrote in our conversation. Instead, you agree with what I said (because it's inarguable) then throw in something which was never said and point and go: "SEE! IT'S NUTS DUDE!" 

 

And it is nuts. It's nuts for anyone to think you're a serious person whose brain has not been completely broken the past three years. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[BullBuchanan]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Yet -- you're not talking about reality in any of your posts. You're instead holding people to account for not operating as if the world were perfect when you admit here it is not. Why do you do this? Because you're making a dishonest argument.

 

My solution requires picking up the phone and saying " hey we need you to produce these tests that are probably really similar to the ones you already do. Experts from Bayer will be in touch by End of Day.

Your solution requires re-establishing a local, state, and federal government. And after that's all done, I still don't buy the notion that it would solve the problem where my version 100% will and could have been done 11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 weeks ago, today, tomorrow or any day thereafter until we're all dead.

Edited April 1, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Buffalo_Gal]

80% of Iranian parliament has COVID-19!?